A Horse With No Name

Thanks DF! Seeing that was worth my trip to Cheersandgears today! Chris

QUOTE(Satty @ Aug 7 2008, 04:50 PM) [snapback]417857[/snapback]Me: for farting Perhaps you've mistaken what end that came out of... ... aren't you possibly just using shit flavoured toothpaste by mistake...or just kissing that much ass? (J/K bro) Chris

QUOTE(FUTURE_OF_GM @ Aug 7 2008, 04:30 PM) [snapback]417846[/snapback] enzl - For always telling me what I don't want to hear, but fear is true. balthazar - Because I admire the fact that he is a MORE EFFECTIVE "stubborn, smart ass" than I am. Camino - Because he always manages to keep the faith when I've "shot the horse before it even ran the derby" with my negativity. Satty - For always busting my balls, but then making me laugh at the very same time. NOS - Well, because everyone else apparently wants to, so why not The OC - For being one of the people that I disagree with the most, but just can't seem to really get angry at. CARBIZ - For always making too much sense. and last but not least, MYSELF for being to resistant to change to EVER be happy about anything GM does. ...and I'll gladly ban you for drivng and owning two badass Camaros. Chris

QUOTE(Satty @ Aug 7 2008, 04:32 PM) [snapback]417848[/snapback]There is a small, ghetto car lot that has a Gremlin sitting back behind, I wonder if they're saving it for the day they become collector's items. ...or the price of scrap goes up... Chris

Exactly! What we really need is to have a good driver training program for drivers, esp new drivers. Our local SCCA region teamed up with the Tire Rack to offer a teen safe driving school. They did smart things like bring in a Semi and park cars around it, like the semi was in traffic. They then made all of the teens sit in the drivers seat of the semi so they could make them realize how big the semi's blind spots were. They brought in a large purple Barney dinosaur, and then detonated the airbags from an old Jeep Cherokee while Barney was unbelted and sitting next to the steering wheel. Barney took a flying trip over one of the light poles in the parking lot...that made an impression too. Then the parking lot was wetted down and the teens were put in there own cars in an autocross type situation (with orange traffic cones) and a race driving instructor in the passenger seat. It was great fun to watch all of the teen drivers try to keep control of their cars in a diffucult but controlled situation. It was also really fun to wartch my friend Sue, who is an SCCA rally navoigator and an SCCA G Production racer (she races a Datsun 510). She got teamed up with a boy who had armour-alled the seats in his hand me down late model Mercury Marquis...It was sooo much fun watching Sue and the driver try to "hold on" as the buig merc went through the paces and had all of that body roll. But for its size the big merc did pretty well on the Autocross course. Mid Ohio has a similar program, under the partial sponsership of Honda. But I digress...half the problem would be solved by better driver education. Another bog portion would be solved by more serious penalties for drivers that should not be on the road. Chris

QUOTE(moltar @ Aug 7 2008, 11:02 AM) [snapback]417766[/snapback]That I don't remember..I can't recall the last time I saw a Firenza or later Skyhawk. But I did see a late 1st gen ('87-88 or so) Sunbird convertible in decent shape recently.. First gen Sunbird-Cavalier were decent cars. GM should have killed them off before they brought out the second gen. Chris

QUOTE(Sixty8panther @ Aug 7 2008, 02:01 PM) [snapback]417801[/snapback] :yawn: For those of you weirdos that think there's something cool about that you'd probably love the burgundy '92? Buick Century 2dr that is for sale about 2 miles away from my huose... sitting there for a month now, no love I guess. Here's an interesting vehicle that I had not seen in ages untill one pulled up next to me the other day: '77 AMC Gremlin. I took a few pics... it was rush hour on the highway so we talked for a bit, this was a few weeks ago, I was driving the Banana Boat so it made for good conversation. The Gremlin is one of those odd cars that I happen to like just because it is strange. Guy that lives about four blocks from me just sold an 89 Z-28 T-top car and bought an old VW THING. I like those strange animals also. Call me nuts. Chris

QUOTE(balthazar @ Sep 10 2005, 06:49 AM) [snapback]12147[/snapback]I swear I haven't seen a honda, toyota or datsun made earlier than the early '80s in forever. Did see a '72 Polara this past weekend. What I always wonder about is hugely popular cars like the Pinto; haven't seen one of those in years & years either. (>Insert quip about exploding here<) I used to kinda maintain a 'cut-off' year in my head: the year back-to that you'd still see infrequently running around. I remember when it inched up thru the later '60s, then it seemed to leapfrog over most of the '70s up to '77. Now it's seems to be at about '87 or thereabouts. The only exception is '70s Darts; I still them every once in a while. Dude, that exploding thing was sooo sad. We were on vaccation as a family when I was a boy and we drove right past where those four girls were killed in that flaming Pinto about 45 minutes after it happened. I still remember the big black marks on the pavement. But a lot of cars burned when they were hit in the ass end. I went to college with a guy named Joel Sonnenberg who was an infant in a Chevy Impala that was rear ended in a toll booth. He had MAJOR MAJOR burn injuries and lived the rest of his life with huge scars. Chris

Dude, like I said I totally support your right to own a hardtop fresh from Dee-Troit. Chris

Impressive, but not as impressive as the Volvo. Trying to teach my son Joel about driving...we were sitting at a light last night and it turned green and I shook my head "no." About a second after I shook my head "no" a semi blasted through the intersection at about 60 m.p.h...he must not have seen his red light at all. Made an impression on my son! Side impact wrecks are scary no matter what the car. And actually Scion and toyota build the cars that have the highest roof crush resistance. I think both the RX-8 and Scion TC were two of the best cars tested. But I'd still rather drive an early 60's hard top in some ways. Chris

CARBIZ, OC, enzl, and company for being reality addicts.... Chris

Can't get the link to work, maybe someone can fix it? Chris

www.wot.motortrend.com/6251397/miscellaneous/muscle-cars-destroyed-in-the-name-of-art/index.html Chris

Wish I had thought of that

+1 Chris

The Camaro is hot, can we get the nude photos of the vollyball player next? Chris

Depends on the car...we don't really know where automotive design will take us over the next 15 years, and I could see an upscale 4 door hardtop go into production. Next CTS or 300, anyone? Chris

I know we don't always agree, but this is why I come here and this is why I love about 85% of your posts here. this is written by a man who loves automobiles. I am ALL FOR hardtops, I just don't want it to be the only criteria we use in evaluating a car. Alfa Romeo has built beautiful cars both with and without B-pillars, IMHO. And one of the coolest cars running around my old hometown in Indiana was a SS396 69 Chevelle 300, the base model with the post...just like there is a really cool Post W-30 (gold, white top) 70 442 running around Springfield Ohio. Also, as I've said before, I really like Tri-5 Chevy's as post cars, because that was what was drag raced and road raced and ran in NASCAR back in the day. All I want is to be able to love-get excited about-both hardtop and non-hardtop cars. Sometimes I feel like "B" pillar is almost the lone issue in deciding an automotive design... But not just yes but HELL YES, GM build us a hardtop Camaro NOW! And +1 to people falling in love with cars again. Chris Chris

They need to study other premium small cars harder perhaps. Chris

+1 Chris

Actually I think the G8 would make a cool movie car. Chris

This is actually not a bad idea. Reg seems to like larger vehicles. Chris

Biggest problem is that even if you liked the car and did all of your own work, most of these cars aren't even worth $3500 in pristine shape. To me The only good 'rebuilder" cars of the last 20 years or so are Camaro's, Mustangs, and really mainstream Asian and European stuff. The rest can pretty much go to the crusher. Chris

You might try reading Grassroots Motorsports. Sounds like that sort of thing is up your alley. Chris

I like Fiero's but GM didn't really pull it together until the end on this one. Which is why I like the SKy/Solstice...GM got them pretty much right (yeah I know, storage space and top) from the get go. Chris