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Come on now .....we all know that high octane is a secret door to an extre 10-15 Morgan Stallions

yes but before they mentioned what was good about the Pontiac.they started by making loud point that it was a dead last looser that wasnt up to the game.......after that the Pontiac could have won three of the catagories rather than a few 2nd & 3rds and it would not matter. Before they mentioned the fact that it did handle and hold the road well they had to define it as a pig Before they mentioned that it had gobs of torque, variable valve timing they had to paint the picture that is was powered by a tractor engine. Thats the kind of crap those of us are talking about....example..... You and your girl are going out tonight, she gets all dolled up and looks most excellent. First thing out of your mouth is "well your a fat pig but tonight you cleaned up pretty good for a change" Now what kind of mood did you just set for the rest of the evening ?

I understand but so much of that is feel - what someone is used to or their opinion. Like the parking lot thing, all I can think is you got to be kiddin me I drive H bodies & B bodies.......when I got into them I never for a second expected the turning radius of our former Rabbit..once again, come on, its a bigger car American style, which means more metal, thicker distance from outer shell to inner shell. Im disappointed in the weight but its solid and everybody including safety regulations wants all this stuff thats bloating these cars. Having problems parking......well, I just dont know what to say. I know what the steering feel eveyone is talking about is. Thats taste and preference, its probably like comparing old GM to old Mopar, old Mopar had a much looser, floaty feel than GM. Imports are even more firm than GM, still it didnt effect end results. I do wish GM put less work into the steering, I believe they actually have overdone steering but guess what......thats what American buyers have wanted all these decades, its that push/pull thing I have mentioned thats been going on since the transition in the 70's. Gm had put alot of work into magnasteer to try to find a compromise between the effortless "American" powersteering and more sporty "feel". Myself I prefer direct steering via old Brit roadster but I wouldnt let that cloud my mind if I was reviewing modern family cars...because they didnt steer like a sports car. You cant please all the people all the time, many want that effortless power steering and few would want old arm strong worm and roller, but if you want feel..thats feel. By putting the G6 on the bottom of this "list" and painting the negitive picture they did, they have essentially killed the G6 for anyone that read this article, yet it performed and has space capacity that puts it middle of the pack, I dont even think there was a single pitch for the rectractable roof, just its a pig with lots of noise that outperformed a few of our favorites but we dont like it because we drive and are used to Hondas and they make us feel fast and precise in the corners as the G6 laps us I could deal with this review if I didnt see all the spin and effort they put into the print to justify the misplaced placements. I mean its right in your face, you cant miss it.

Streisand has done some of the best love/companion/ relationship movies I have seen. I just saw one this weekend I missed before. With Jeff Bridges (95), really interesting twist on companionship........that didnt work out as planed and in the end wound up back on page one which is physical desire and the need to be desired.

They always said Mass had some laws like that as well. Not now and who cares anyhow. I did like the burning witches at the stake part though..... lol........perhaps this was the beginning of the homosexual men......."we burnt up all dem bitches, now what do we do ?" shakes head

yea, thats probably because some farmer buried an old steel wheeled steam tractor down in the rock, back duing the last ice age History Hydrogen sulfide has been known since early times. The chemistry of H2S has been studied since the 1600s. Natural Abundance Natural gas contains up to several percent H2S(g) and as such are called sour gas wells from their offensive stench. Volcanoes also discharge hydrogen sulfide. Anaerobic decay aided by bacteria produces hydrogen sulfide, which in turn, produces sulfur. This process accounts for much of the native sulfur found in nature.

But see, if they stopped at 5 or 7 and my GE toaster goest to 10..........then some consumer reports journalist would make large of the inferiority of a 7 range toaster versus a 10 range toaster, and if the 10 range GE toaster would "toast" the square brickette to a smolder in .05 seconds faster than your 7 range Sunbeam it would be clear that the Sunbeam company & all its assets & obviously "overpaid" employees should be deleted.

OK, while I know its makes no sence from me to stand up for Saab, I will. Saab has always been around and has had a certain amount of clout, its also....I would assume is an important part of a particular country and same as I hate the multinationals for destroying my country, my way of life, I would not wish it on others. Anyone ever stop to wonder if Saab wasnt a capitol off loading pit..much like most any smaller business's bought out by the "big boys" have been ? We have seen it for decades......buy it, run it into the ground, spin the accounting......pocket the cash.......fold it when your done. Then once again how quickly we forget how GM's accounting tactics have been used to spin and distract the reality of who, what, where, when and how the money is evaporating. For instance wasnt alot of money just spent on some European Cadillac from Saab ? I mean I ran my own business for 20 years and let me tell you I knew how to unload the money in Oct,Nov & Dec rather than give it to Sammy. Still you have to wonder how they loose 300 million with ???if Im reading this correctly......120,100 units what are they building over there, hand built one off cars and selling them for $35,000. Someone else do that math for me but isnt that like alot of money per car to build ? HELLO ! somebodys lyin here or somebodys spinning things to make something look worse than it is..like ignoring the work/development just put into the turbo ecotec ? Was that billed under Saab but yet not for sale or showing profits ? So while we're all worried about 300 mill @ Saab and 4 bill @ GMNA WTF is the tally on this little saturin folly ? Hmm? where is it ?......shush... dont bring that up.....watsamatterU ? shush... Is the 4 billion loss at GM shown on this years "losses" the money that went to FIAT ? Is it or isnt it ? Ive asked this question many times and all the "insiders" here have yet to answer. and just WTF did the adminstration at GM get paid while all these losses were pileing up ? shush..........would you quit it.......you gonna throw us in....shush

what a lame ass excuse Hondas were running 215/50's/17's AS Michelin Pilots Pontiac was running 225/50's/18's AS Goodyear Eagles accordingly Michelin is "supposed" to be a better tire and if you think 17 versus 18 versus even 14's has anything to do with handling ...well I'll just keep my mouth shut. I had 205/60/13's on my Alpine and Id put it up against any of these cars in corners. Please try not to let urban myth control your brain waves. Theres big bucks in it for the tire and wheel companies to push these large diameter wheels. The Achieva SCX pulled .87 or I believe it was and that was most likely on 14 or 15's with a 60 or 65 profile way back in the early 90's.........OK, nuff said.

Yea, thats cause your one of "them" easier to "not understand" than face the facts "excessive mass undoubtedly affected G6's, braking, skid pad and lane change numbers " OK thats what you read first...the picture of a pig has been firmly implanted in your brain so while your pictureing this pig you miss "second fastest lane change, close third skidpad " now lets take a look at this pigish handling problem Acura .80, Honda .80, Mazda .87, Pontiac . 85, VW .86 OK thats 2 one hundreths off from the Mazda yet 5 one hundreths better than the ........hold on I must go get me that Shakespearian worthy quote "so happy, so eager to play" "such a treat to drive this car after "herding" some of the others around the course" "so much more certainty, so much more precision" "quick responces, crisp steering, excellent brakes (10 feet short of G6 ) minimal body roll " " just brimming with confidence " "athletic tension" OK so at nearly 2 mph faster in slalom (1. that means in an hour on a 2 mile track the G6 (pig) would lap the king of athletic tension. Last I checked .05 lateral G gain was nothing to sneeze about. Yet it doesnt matter in this review because they already painted the picture of a pig for the Pontiac and then went to great Shakespearian depths to lather all over the Honda's. That must be that "focused competition" shinnin through........yarite ! OK we "they" were just talking about brakes Acura 177', Honda 180' , Mazda 155', Pontiac 167', VW 154' so the Mazda and VW smoked the PIG but... by that comparision... the kings of athletic tension hit the wall, you know...the kind you can feel just sittin in them. Now, we just had to start the Pontiac review by crawling all over the...hold on I must go get some quotes......"relitively old fasion valve operation" if they knew crap about anything they would know the age of both designs is ancient but once again they are painting a picture here so the mission must be met. It was totally unecessary to make any dramatic note about the "valve operation" what was important is that it does have variable valve timing..just like the rest. BUT NO! first we must paint that negitive picture........BOTH FORMS OF "VALVE OPERATION" ARE ANCIENT It still was 3rd fastest in 1/4 only beaten by turbos and one that was AWD, if anyone doesnt think that makes a difference your foolin yourself Now, Im not saying improvements should not be sought, Im not saying flaws can not be found, but just look at the lenghts they go to to paint negitive picture of Pontiac yet get all poetic and self gratified all over the Hondas that were clearly out performed and should both be dead last. .80 lateral, 180' "so much more certainty, so much more precision" give me a friggin break. Why not just ice the cake by lying about the numbers on the Pontiac so they dont come off looking like a bunch of fools. To me that G6 was clearly a 3rd and for acceleration or milage one could rightously argue in favor of the Honda for 3rd, Pontiac 4th but that engine didnt help other important performance factors that the Pontiac clearly blew the Hondas out of the water on. More worthy than .3 0-60 or .4 1/4 advantage

But read what they wrote and then what they come up with. They have no big deficiencies on the G6 other than assumed ones. The results contradict what they decided made the G6 not good enough.

Higgins says "Oh My God!" Many many wells throughout the Neast are sulphur, they come hundreds of feet through solid bedrock, nothing to do with farming what so ever, here long before farming and still here long after they destroyed farming. Some well water is full of minerals, iron, ect. I bet thats from old rusted farm equipment . There is a town nearby that has sulphur springs. Back 100+ years ago the Jewish people from the citys built huge hotels and made this town a vacation town because for some reason they needed or like that sulphur. You drive down through that town and let me tell you it stinks. Ground water and surface water are two entirely different things. It takes up to five years for drought to effect a deep rock well, it also takes up to five years of typical rain to get water table back up in a 3oo-500 feet well . I knew all this along time ago but about 3 years ago I worked on a drill rig doing residential and municipality water, let me tell you nothing is cut and dry down there in the rock. We hit 26 gallons per minute no more than 120 ft into the rock and other times we went 500 ft for nothin. A very heart breakin business actually, Ive seen people give up there lifes savings for less than a gallon a minute. They pay no matter what the results, I really didnt enjoy it. Good wells are less common than the tricklers.

Sorry MPH, I dont understand your statement "not a performer" not all of this post is in responce to you, some is simply about the review or more like catagorization it was in top 3 cars in 1/4 mile, skidpad, runnin the cones and milage, top two cars in a few of them as I recall even some of the interior room it was best at, excluding rear head room. then wasnt it priced in the middle of the pack too? I simply dont see how it comes in dead last when it clearly smoked a few of the competitors. Look at what they complained about...... wind noise.....didnt like how the steering felt.....even though it got them through the slalom MPH's faster than some others, didnt like the body roll.but once again see slalom results, that is where body roll will kill you during multi transitional, look at the lateral G's, I mean come on, WTF does it take. You produce a car that runs middle of the pack and you get shoved down to the bottom..what for...wind noise ? Then why didnt the turbo with the noise that annoyed them so much that they blatted like babys without baba, get stuffed down to the bottom. Push rod push rod push rod....well look at the mileage, look at the performance results and get over it.

OK, so theres no problems with GM's dealerships.........nor their personal.......nor their marketing stratagies.......nor the education givin employees about current and future products.....guys like these have nothing at all to do with why GM is loosing sales......intelegent people dont buy GMs because they cant do business with morons.......not because the little plastic volumn control knob is not exacty where Honda would put it....GM just doesnt realize each and every department in the chain is shooting the entire bucket full of holes. All I can figure is this guy had to have been a Honda implant

Na, sorry, Im a bit deeper than that.

It was GTS & GT before the 1&2 change last year. Not sure about mid 90's or 80's. GTO was makin the Porsche work for the money last season in GT Rolex Grand American, they could very well do it in ALMS but they have that big displacement that may not be allowed in GT2, Im not sure. In a few months Ill start reading more about these upcomming seasons. In fact the season finale between a GTO & Porsche team for champion points resulted in some of the best race footage Ive ever seen in the last few laps. I didnt get it recorded either. Porsches can completely cut corner Porsches can fly Porsches can fly - land on side of GTO and bounce GTO off track Then continue to flag and not get disqualified. Klink "very, very interesting" Shultz "I see nothing"

Naw, its a great series, theres 5 or 6 car builders 5 or 6 engine manufactures. Quite a few endurance races, DP cars on the track with GT cars. Not as exclusive as LM but that is the point.......not as expensive. I am worried about how its growing though. The builders were saying orders were up for this comming season and some teams were going to field 3 cars..........now I do see NASCAR results comming to a Field that had some great lap racing....already doing too many under caution....we'll see next season, I hope they realize the wall they are headed toward and put cap on the field before it becomes the farce that "stock car" racing became. " They had some ACO Maserati's and Saleens last year that ran with the GTO class." What class is GTO ?

fold saturin in, just like the demolition of a highrise, let the dust fall where it may. Get rid of the distraction that led GM down the path of neglect.

its not a specific definition its the end result.

I like the older soft materials used on first gen FWD H compared to whats on our 97 LSS, but the LSS is more modern styled. Still its harder materials, we just got a first split in material below drivers door pull. I believe that material is too stiff and not as resilient as it should be, very thin too. I was bummed about the hard surface of the console arm rest too, I thought that was strange, but once again nothing is going to outdo the velour for endurance and soft, quite comfort, but everyone hates it today because it reminds them of Mom and Dads car and we all know you cant have that. I wonder who GM's interior suppliers are ? Or is that inhouse ? Leer did some stuff right ? You can go into a crafts store and find better materials than used in autos.

how deep......like a mudpuddle "ah gee Fred, is that like monotone then ?" "ah I dont know Barney, lets go ask croc" once again Monochrome- dull, boring, lacking contrast and character B)

Sorry "There is NO mistaking that for a Sebring!!! " Imeadiately after a posts regarding the "Sebring" and "Camaro" I was lost. I thought all the LMP's were open cockpit cars ? While Im sure they are somewhat faster I dont think there would be much running circles, if so that would mean the C6R would outrun the DP's as well, and I didnt see the C5R's doing that at Daytona. I think those DP's are pretty fast, light, aero. I wouldnt take any credit away from the DP & the Rolex series, very competitive, very interesting racing.

We've just caught up with this show. Its interesting, I like how they have put it together..........I wonder if the Bushman watches it with us..........lol......lol......lol.......he probably get his old GI Joes out on the floor........ah never mind....lol

Why do you say this is a Sebring ? I dont recognize the car but it looks more like a Daytona Prototype to me.