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68 Riv I looked at had Wildcat on air filter, not that that means it was the origional , pretty clean car though. Might have even said 430 Wildcat but my memory is .....

GM Made in China :unsure:

"Oldsmobile, backed by GM " "Chevrolet, We'll be there" ? tic toc, tic toc

Yes, I agree. I dont think they can avoid it with the current economic policies within this country, I dont think its their fault for declaring bankruptcy when they cant make money though they certainly brought much of it on themselves. However when this happens will they still be General Motors ? No ! They will be another ghost of what was once great about America but they will no longer be America. They have already lost the respect of most American buyers, most of the buyers that are left are there because they apply to the American way of life, once GM and current American economic policies screw American citizens out of the bill of goods they were sold for their entire lives whats the point ? Those new Hyundias and Kias are looking better every day. Just a few months ago I was actually still considering possibly making my first new car purchase from GM, perhaps a Cobalt SS or G6 GTP, trade the LSS but now, no way. Its a new global economy and I should support these less fortunate global "players" because I have been convinced I should change with the times. So like all the other sheep I will follow the leader and buy cheap imported products built by cheap labor. I just wish I could bypass any and all American payroll except perhaps the customs workers, that would be the most fair and global ideal.......correct ? :P What goes around, comes around, I dont know why its just a natural phenom. Perhaps there really is a God ?

Why Does it help to stick in your pocket better ? Let me know when the sores show up on your mouth, Ill start a collection ^_^

Agree, like Lampredi or Columbo named after their designers Blue Flame Cleveland, Windsor How about a 330 Dagenham, named after its plant in typical Ford fashion, I just love that one for a few reasons. Detriot Diesel ! Cummings

Hey, my sister has been riding me to move to Tenne. Im sure I could do anything they do with less than one weeks training :P

Id be more worried about the people of Tennesee that have their housing market drivin sky high because big spenders from higher inflated areas come around and dont bat an eye paying above area market value for houses. Thereby driving housing in that area superfically high. We have that going on around here with migration comming from NYC, LI, and NJ. Housing has increased 100% in less than 10 years. I could not afford a house today and I did not have to relocate or change jobs. Its funny to hear them cry after they realize they paid above market value and discover that the country is really the country not some park that is spic and span and maintianed solely for their viewing pleasure. "OMG theres snow on the road and my tires spin going up the mountain and Im so scared"

Carefull now, last time I said anything about woman drivers one of the mods instantly dubbed me a man pig. Ive seen insane stunts pulled by all breeds of all ages but the stuff Ive seen young girls do strikes fear into me as soon as I see one behind the wheel......then they get older :blink: My favorite is when they sit at an intersection look straight at you comming and pretend to begin to go, put the nose of the car half into the road to see if you will stop dead in your tracks so they dont have to wait. :lol: Then theres the insane tailgating, dropping back, then come flying back up realizing at last second you are in the way, then get pissed of at you because you are the next car in a line of traffic :lol: One can only wonder is its a time period thing. A friends daughter 18 just rolled her first car by mysteriously driving off the road on a simple streach of hiway and she wasnt even going fast. :blink: My "wife" cant make a right turn at an intersection with out dropping the inside rear wheel off the shoulder into the potholes created by other drivers that have the same disfunction, if theres a curb... well it just gets uglier. <_< If she on an interstate in the passing lane and suddenly thinks she might be missing her exit ramp she will just go into the right lane, instantly, without looking and slow down in the midst of high speed traffic. :o Shes always telling me stories about other mysterious drivers that flip her off :unsure: Much like most woman she has a clean licence - all the accidents happen behind her or as mentioned above - never really happened. :lol: I love her dearly B)

Nos - those HP ratings were a gross rating and that was later changed. They had gobs of torque however. As for excelleration your talking about a much lighter and more aerodynamic car, this is what makes that last 20 or 30 mph so slow to obtain. Just look at the frontal area of the car. You are correct however, computor controled fuel ratios and timing advance made a great difference in performance and economy. As for the Wildcat engine - Was the 430 (68-69) the last Buick engine dubbed Wildcat or did that make it to the 455 ? The "Wildcat" engine thing was like Oldsmobiles "Rocket" thing, it means little to nothing just a dubbing put on the engines, sales propaganda. Then there was different levels of tuning done to the engines according to models or options. Werent the Buick engines prior to the "Wildcat" dubbed "Fireball" or something like that ? I think that was the inline OHV 8's. edit: Fireball - not Thunderbolt :rolleyes: - thanks Balthy !

Well the modern race engine is nothing to sneeze at its just not Oldsmobile. A built 1970 350 Olds would be nice but I dont think you could approach the HP of this engine and then it might not be in spec for the track. This is a pretty good price for a track ready race car. The Aurora like the one in my former sig sold without a drivetrain at auction for 26,000 or somewhere in that area. Im sure the engine needs a rebuild, the condition was listed as fair. Expensive hobby.

Ah, poor babys

Id say that Nissan is banking on them quiting so they can hire on new execs at half the pay. There will be a long line of applicants more than willing to work for much less, and be more productive with less attitude. Tennesee is pretty nice from what Ive seen but thats mostly limited to Knoxville, which is a very clean town, no garbage strewn from one end to the other, well maintained. Its humid however and a bit warm for my northern blood. My experience with the mid southern people is that they are very friendly and respectable and it seems to be the concensus from anybody I know that has gone south.

Ya know until yesterday I never realized the 70 Wildcat had the body lines (at wheel house) similar to the 69 Camaro :unsure: Were there other cars with this as well ?

:lol: Wow this is so funny, look at all I missed. Page three really rocks, I love it :lol: Ill give Sciguy, an other wise adversary, a thumbs up for making good points and good posts. I did not read them as putting words in a mouth or off base, I just read the point he was making about different views and why they exist and where they exist. According to California or citidiot attitude, I am a "redneck" "Hillbilly" "liberal" "communist" "socialist" "bigot" "homophobic" "voted for Bush" waste of oxygen :lol: When in reality Im a radical hillbilly that voted against Bush and believe in protecting my own kind and the way of life I love, and conserving the awsome resource of clean oxygen Im still able to breath in the not yet too overly populated hick town in which I live. Im against gay marraige because its gay ! Im against immigration because its over populating the last piece of decent real estate in the world. Im against baby factorys because they are over populating the last piece of decent real estate in the world Im against global economics because its destroying the American way of life in the last decent piece of real estate in the world It should also be know Im against marraige period - it means nothing to me - I have been with the same girl for 17 years Im non religious- perhaps the anti christ himself and if they did exist and givin the chance Id go to bat against both biblical god and satan and demand answers from both as to just what the hell their problem really was and what the hell they were thinking about. Religious freaks, freak me out just as much as two gay men Feminazis should be locked up in a large facility with men pigs and a pay per view free for all should be had with the revenue going toward building manufactureing jobs in our inner cities so we could employ inner city people in ways other than the drug and entertainment industries. So while you all worry about whether gays can get married or who what when and where the bible is read and the poor impoverished people from countries that never tried to lift a finger to get things straightened out in their own countries and dont know enough to "pull it out" and all other petty little things Ill spend my energy pulling for my fellow Americans in the not so pretty areas of the country where the real problems exist. The root of all real problems is poverty not race not sexual preference not creed not gender

:lol: Na, the California set dont have a chip on their shoulder, at least not one that has showed up here :lol:

OMG this is so funny :lol: Its simple OC the world is changing you need to change with it or die. Why should Nissan continue to pay their employees at a level necessary to live in California when there is plenty of cheaper labor in the South ? Its only 1300 jobs, so what if 1300 people have their lives disrupted, cant see it from my house. They can get new jobs in the service industry or not, hell 1300 people out of work wont even change the unemployment rate in California 1/100 of a % :P If Nissan had half a brain they would move all those jobs to India, surely anything they can do in California or Tennesee could be done cheaper and more efficiently in India. It is after all a new global world. :metal:

I thought CAW did just give some on new contract ? At any rate all these concessions talked about would only be the equivelent of a cob job. The enivitable will still take place no matter what. So why concede and act like all is better only to have it thrown back in your face in a another year ?

Yea, that is a retarded car. Isnt that some kind of hunda ? I think I had a little run in with one of them in my Regal, it was a very satisfying moment. :P

cadking is right, a few months of urban driving with a Fuller Road Ranger will make you wish you never heard of a stick shift.

You have found the weak link in the Q4, sad but true. As per typical GM they simply continued to produce and sell rather than improve and eliminate. Damn overpaid uneducated UAW workers.

Gee, I thought I did a good job putting economics into the equation. There is no doubt the extra 2 holes in the V8 is far more than simply two more holes/4 more valves. Besides that I have 4 V6's here that have no balance shaft, not the best thing at idle but not an issue otherwise. Im not suggesting a new engine with no balance shaft. Only way to know which is best, cheapest, most profitable in the future is to watch what the Japs, Koreans, and Chinese do. All else will be just as you say "interesting wishes". :unsure:

Oh sorry :rolleyes: I grew up in the 60's & 70's and my first car was a 64 Sunbeam Alpine. Very reliable and fun for 1.5 years when I parked it due to new job requireing pickup and many other mechanical liabilities. After sitting for 15 years outside on blocks the undercarraige still went to far gone. I then knew it was time to sell off the car and my stock pile of parts. However before I did that I freed up the brakes, cleaned and lubed the Strombergs, an new gas line and alternate "tank", turned the key and it was running just as radically as it ever did. All wipers, fans, lights, everything worked. I took it for an illegal spin or two, enough to put one final memory implant in my mind before the buyer came and picked up everything I had. My other first car was a 68 Impala with 90,000 miles that was the biggest POS I ever owned for all three weeks I owned it. I had a 64 Ford F100 that was an incredible POS as well. Somewhere in there I had a 73 Datsun PU that was another incredible POS.......are we seeing a pattern here ? For the past 23 years, excluding a 4 year recess I have earned my living and supported my family off my back but more importantly off the back of an English Fordson/County Super Six built in 1964, it has been the most reliable piece of iron I have ever operated. Had I not purchased this machine I would have never succeded in a business that broke more men than it made. Whether that is a good thing or not is up in the air in light of "todays new world" however it did work well for nearly 20 years. So I have no allergies to British iron. I also am not easily impressed with the school educated Buddy ! B)

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Congratulations ! For 10,000 - 12,000 you could have gotten a well maintained G2 Aurora but that $20,000 G35 is a better deal. The Aurora is not the kind of car to be pounding over pot holes anyhow, they deserve better, its a good place for that G35.