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Check and Checkmate ! Yes they will Harley, yes they will, tic toc, tic toc, stay tuned. Where ever this "new" economy is working in other areas it is very very destructive. If people are willing to accept this new economy they must be willing to accept the end results. No other American industries have survived why would an American company called General Motors survive ? The world has changed and we must accept these changes.

While he said some stupid stuff about the Vette, its no different from the crap we have had to endure around here in regards to many many topics. Not much unlike this recent remark " the big reasons that the British car manufacturers went belly up is that they could not manage to make cars that could actually make ot down your driveway without breaking." spoken with experience and higher ed no doubt ! :rolleyes: Anyhow - In regards to GM or any actual American or N. American built automobile I believe he was being optimistic at 30 years. Though he was more speaking from the European presence of GM and British Leyland. England was a small country for all those car builders that were always tetering on success anyhow. They went through so many changes, BMC, British Leyland, Aston Martin had ? 5 owners ? and never turned a profit. What about all the Italian buiilders ? what about the French builders that never returned from WWII ? Same for many American builders. We are apparently living in a "global economy" and these higher standard countries manufactureing industries can not exist in this "global economy" unless you all are in favor of bringing back slavery, which apparently is a idea many apply too, using a less offensive terminology and approach to how we quarter and care for our slaves? :o GM ? 30 years from now ? Not so long as the current trade and economic policies are in effect within this country.......... or the rice eaters miraculously begin to be paid for more than their next bowl of rice. :CG_all: :metal:

But this is still the best set up

Well FOG could add alot to this but the lack of mention of GM on that I could only stop and think ah-hem 90's Cutlass Surpreme Convertable and this :unsure:

:metal: :CG_all: :unsure: :o

Extra shaft and gear is more machine work than 2 extra rods and pistons, however V8 block - 2 more holes to line bore, heads - larger manifolds-2 more runners, crank - two more journals to machine, more camshaft, larger heads 4 more valves/2 chambers. So you tell me ? Myself with DOD in V8's Id like to see GM produce 2 smaller aluminum 8's say a 4 & 3.5 or less, something compact for the smaller cars. F1 is going to V8 now at very small displacement. Lots of power to be had in small bore short stroke V8 and not take up much more room than a I4 but do it so much better.

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And to top it all of XLR - while you attacking me for wasting the best hard 30 years of my life I havent even been taking about my state of affairs except for references to my experience. I have been talking about the entire population of a country and just exactly what our children are going to inherit. Yet you attack me because of where I put my hard efforts. Right on Brother !

Ya know what ? You are unfriggin believable this is what I was doing...... and Im pissed.....this is un friigin believable......walk a damn mile for once would you ! I was building my future, I was building a business, I was paying bills, buying/building a house, raising a daughter, I was friggin busy. You have no idea what you are talking about on my side of the fence mister, you need to back it down on this one, because you were not there. I would like to make a personal request that you stay the hell off my back, Im so sick of you calling me a loser in so many words. I was not in the manufactureing business. Because I saw the shutting down of industrial plants since the 70's doesnt mean I needed to worry about what I was doing ! I was busy makeing things happen. You leave me the F alone XLR ! Its always the same thing back at me from you. I should ask how old you really are, but you all would blow that all out of context. If you had some years on you , you would know better than to suggest that someone just sat around for 25 years and did nothing with their time or even had any extra in the first place. stay away XLR or it will get ugly. You have called me a looser far to many times ! Were not all the same damn kind of people, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT EVEN NEED TO BE SAID. We all need to make a decent living doing what suits us. I could not and do not want to do what you do and you could not and do not want to do what I do.

whatever the over zelous solutions I had when I was young came to life as the reality that my Father and Grandfather were talking about. I had so many solutions and answers and attitudes that I forgot them all. I was pretty anti Union, incidently. I was all full of that criptonite and had those little adreneline critters runnin through my veins.

As far as Im concened forget China now, Japan is the sitting duck as the trade balance and others items sound very unbalanced at this time. Anyhow something somewhat less radical than most of my suggestions would be appropriate. Or we could wait 10 more years and get radical then . lol Na, lets just wait, do nothing , and let it all get flushed, then we can write books about the death of another Empire.

Na, FOG you got it all wrong, the economy is booming, the future is bright. :AH-HA_wink: Thats why savings interest was at .5 % for over a year now .7%. The banks have all merged and now checking accounts are expensive, interest is down, required daily balances are - well more than one $9 per hr. weekly check would be and theres more laws(rules) at your local bank than the sherrifs department. Thats why you can go into Walmart late night and see grown men stocking shelves. Grown men delivering autoparts. Anything they can get their hands on. Hell when I was a kid men didnt mow lawns, thats what some of us teenagers did for summer funds. Now its a huge industry, overly competitive and getting worse for other reasons, then finally a man will get wore out and ......go stock shelfs ? Work for facility maintence? Fast foods ? Grown men ! Its all which side of the wall you got traped on when you would never had believe it would really come to this. Remember these sayings of overreacting, dramitizing, dooms day are not new. If someone sat and predicted this huge division between work sectors 20 years ago you would have been called a "doomsday sayer". If someone sat and said a Ranchhouse would cost 350,000 and property tax's would be $2-3-4oo per month you would have been called overly dramatic, especially if you followed that by saying that grown men would still be working for only $9.00 per hour :blink: Yep, everything must be going great, perfect, could'nt be better! :unsure:

Wow, was that a little gangbang ? Didnt work for me, hope it was good for you two ! :rolleyes: Im old enough to be sick and tired of the BS. Just to clue up the more slowly, many of my preposterous statements are made just for that reason. Somewhere here, back aways and many times throughout these various debates it has been said that certain Americans dont deserve but $9.00 and hour jobs and many, many other stupid statements regarding my fellow blue collar workers. So Stupid, meet Stupid !

Evok - I do appreaciate your hoping to influence me to read some economic books. I doubt I ever will, Im not being a smart ass at this time either. Im really not much on books and have so many other interests and far to many projects. Now in all seriousness, are you implying that if I read some economic book I would see how its alright for what wealthy Americans have done to the other half of the population ? Things were going along pretty smoothly as I recall up until the last 10-15 years. Part of my industry left 5 years ago. The other part thats left primarily consists of exportation of raw products. Id rather the manufacturing was done in this country but it is not. I ignored those markets for years until they were all that was left. :unsure: Then - how can I put far reaching economic theories above and beyond my people ? We got more than a few generations caught in the middle of this so called new economy. Those of you it has not hit in the face like a hammer sit there and tell us that at 40 or 50 something we need to start life all over again, because things are peachy in India, Koreo, China and Turkey. I mean come on ! Do you really think we should just lay down and say OK ? Then some want to get ticked off at me and all the other BS I have endured, here, because I say I dont give a rats butt about those countries and their populations ? Because I dont give a Rats butt about how much more wealthy the uppers can get by fireing us and hireing them ? Because I say its BS that we should have to work at income levels of these other countries ? You all can throw up all the degrading comments at me you like, but not one of you can tell me why any of this ever should have happened to our country and why its not time to tighten up the belt.

Once again just more proding out of you, little else. Amusing ? I dont find any of this amusing, Im not surprised you do after a little observation. You quote my guess about potential GM car sales in Japan, if ? Then say its amusing but offer nothing yourself about it ? So whos the comedian ? Out of touch with reality ? Me ? Well heres some reality for you ! America is full of working poor. The working poor in America have had their incomes in decline for a decade. At the same time many areas have had incomes go through the roof. that is the only reality Im interested in and you want to laugh at me ? You have yet to ever offer anything, anything what so ever into the reality of the American workforce. You wanna pass over all that, ignore it, and go straight to Japan, China or Korea. So now tell me why these detesting countrys and their populations are destroying our way of life and why Im supposed to be OK with it ? Just say it - "Because it makes my life much wealthier, screw you people" Am I supposed to be impressed that our "economy is so interwoven" with the rest of the world ? In fact thats a little funny, you just made a funny. Here you say our economies are interwoven, yet within our country our economies are like day and night. Those that dont bat an eye at paying $100,000 for a building lot and those that struggle to come up with 2500 for their property tax's every year. So yea, you just sit and poke at me because of your reality, have you been beyond you own little protected sanctuary ? "Who the hell do you think is keeping the US government afloat? US tax revenue? Try the Koreans, Japanese and Chinese. That is who are buying the treasure bonds that are funding the Iraq war, Katrina and the rest of the pork coming out of DC."............... and I suppose you are just the kind of American that is in favor of this and approves of this ? This is the exact kind of thing I have been talking about. I wonder why thoses countries have money for bonds while yet here we do not ? :blink: As for the government, I would be in favor of confiscation of all former and current politicians assets and throwing them all into a dungeon underneath some prison and forgetting about them. Hows that for reality ? :lol: Im sure you would like to tell me they deserve and have "earned" better than that ? :lol: According to one of your above paragraphs they have earned nothing and spent more while doing so. :blink: Thanks for admitting our GOv takes money from other country to protect foreign interests while ignoring the interests of our own population. :lol: Were still the consumer nation, now if only most of what we consume was in house ? It wouldnt hurt to consume a little less either.

Wow, Look at that light tower !

Thats a nice Doddlebug ! I like Doodlebugs, never had one though. A farmer has a old Chevy PU welded to a tractor final drive. 350 Chevy is alot of engine for that kind of reduction. However that rear end could twist that Chevy crank like a towel.

So the Japanese market would be 27% of what ours is and we purchase 37% foreign. Not sure what that means ? Ill have to chew on it awhile. Doesnt seem like we would gain much in Japan. Maybe a few hundred thousand sales after a few years ? So forget it, just put a ban on Japanese car sales !!!!!!!! Let that industry go through the turmoil. =}:-0 LOL !

Boy ! I dont know ? That sure sounds like some serious nonsense to me. 75% off ? one less than demand ? closing plants ? GM's been doing this for decades. It hasnt been working ! When someones ready for a car you better have what they want and be ready to sell. ISNT THAT HOW GM GOT TO WHERE THEY ARE TODAY ? In both the glorious past and the recent bumble. :unsure:

Is this 4.5 million, accurate ? If so how many Japanese cars sold here? What is the total new cars sold here. Sorry I have no idea how to find these answers for myself.

Yea I never heard of job banks until this UAW BS. Job banks are BS. However closing plants is BS. the only reason plants are colsing is to send the work out of country, that is BS. I would imagine that the Unions reason for job banks was to give GM reason not to deport work. However GM seems to have chosen to deport work and pay non productive workers. So whos the dumb A's? I mean being all uneducated and what not. I would still think if I had a payed work force and operational plants I would have put them to work :blink: Not spent all the R&D, tooling, jet airliner rides, meetings upon meetings, and who knows what other bogus waste of funds to go elsewhere and pay an additional >50 cents per hour to some unknown that has nothing to do with our COUNTRY or our ECONOMY. When you have gone that far and created such turmoil in our country and to our economy that people are standing up and saying BS, perhaps it is time to down periscope, take surface, get the F out and have a good look at the big bad sea. Somehow I dont think that tunnel vision our upper income people have been looking through has been in the interest of our country, our population, our future, the one our children are going to inherit, whether they like it or not. ****Why are we talking plant closings while in the same breath inventorys are low ? Im not suggesting conspiracy or anything but somethings wrong here, Im picking up a strange vib :lol: Yea, and no one has answered my question yet as to whether or not those Fiat and whatda Subaru money losses are including in this horrible deficit GM is living in. I guess we'll just sweep that one under the carpet. I wonder if that was pension funds they spent on Fiat and whatda Subaru ? Didnt wagoner get huge bonus last year ? Yet this year we have, losses at Fiat, Losses at Subaru, and low inventorys ? :unsure: Shhhhhh :unsure: wisper, "we need to close more plants" "lay off more workers" "produce less cars"

Dead on !

Yea, Chineze junk has been soiling the face of this country for 3 decades. That is why there is nothing else to put on the shelves. Buy one this year and by next year or the year after you'll need to buy it again because it has a 6 month half life. Looks good at initial purchase though dont it ? That is after all the only thing the puppet masters care about. Short term, well perhaps their used to being short.