Camino LS6

You're welcome, but that information is years old - so I don't know what may have changed.

I don't know about that. With that thing, they set out to build a cheap little turd - so on that level it was a success. With the Tundra, they set out to build a class-leading fullsize pickup - and failed miserably three times.

I don't have a grip on all of the details, but I think it is made up of things like how robots grab components along the line, how parts flow to the line, supplier issues, and so on. It isn't things like the fact that the front subframes of Camaro and the Holden Zetas are different (they are), it is how the assembly is accomplished. Holden is set up to do it one way, and Oshawa another. What I suspect is that aligning the two plants would have been a deadly expense since Holden was already in production with the VE at the time. So GM decided to wait for the refresh.

I don't know that there is a holdup - the change was scheduled to happen at the first refresh way back when we were still supposed to be getting a bunch of GMNA Zetas. As I understand it, the difference is in the build process used at the two plants. During the development of Camaro a bunch of changes to zeta were made and it was decided that Holden would adopt those changes at the first refresh since they were already building the first version of Zeta.

Oshawa isn't the problem (it's already done). It's Holden that has to get in line with Oshawa, which was set to happen at the first zeta refresh. As long as that's the VF cars and not a later (more complete) refresh, the two plants should be compatible for the 2012MY.

I love that story. *sniff*

Thanks for that link, XP! It could help a bunch.

I can almost hear it...

Just saw a vintage VW bug cabriolet out in the cool October air for an evening cruise.

Depends on the year, generally we have good to great fall color here. Not New England good, but pretty close.

Autumn has always been my favorite season. Our first frost is predicted for this coming week.

Car-only was what I had in mind. What do you think Oldsmoboi, should C&G do it?

online "swap meet" sites? I'd love a good forum where people can buy and sell used parts etc. I'm finding that ebay and craigslist don't even offer as much as the old print "tradin Times" sort of thing did. I think there is a place for something like this that isn't generic like ebay and craigslist.

Always liked those LT-1 cars...

New Camaro in the lighter blue color - much nicer color in person than in pics. Challenger in white, looking good.

Yes and no. Holden does not have the capacity for a volume-selling Chevy. That much hasn't changed. What is different going forward is the fact that the Holden Zetas are scheduled to be brought into line with GMNA build process for the architecture. At that point, any Zeta could be built at either plant and Oshawa has gobs of capacity (especially after the W-body Impala finally dies). So yes, it is very possible for GM to build zeta cars in volume.

I agree with DF. I once had one catch fire when the bearings failed - so take that belt off.

Or Canadian.

Local, small concern maple syrup is the best. I find the commercial brands sickening - too sweet, thick, and fake.

If you end-up in the back of that thing, you know you are having a really bad day. Strange beast indeed.

Very cool!

There was a great Steel Blue color those cars came in too (lighter than what you'd think of as Steel Blue). Was that the original color?

Such vitriol! I seem to recall that Hummer was rather profitable for GM.

Agreed. The color of this one really work well with the bodystyle - lots of the T-Type cars were this silver.

You're as crazy as I am! :AH-HA_wink: