Camino LS6

Seems like a good solution. But I leave my keys in the ignition, so I won't be investing in one.

Happy birthday, hondafan.

Quite the wide range so far.

Hey DF: my points in here had very little to do with FWD vs, RWD. I was talking about braking.

Kayak accident? Sounds painful. Here's to a quick recovery.

That will certainly do it! It just seems to me that for a period of time in the late 80s, both rotors and brake pads were really lousy. I think it was some very poor attempts at replacing asbestos pads that caused it. The factory pads on my '87 Camino SS were really junk - totally spent in only 13k miles. In contrast my hard-working, hard-hauling, and hard-towing 2500HD still has the original brakes at 56k.

On slick roads, I'd say that the different drive arrangements just crash differently. FWD: goes straight off the road in whatever direction it was pointed RWD: spins off ass first in a slide 4WD: sometimes rolls

Different cars and their brake life is what I'm looking for here. Your Cutlass was late 80s/early 90s, right Drew?

Since we are digressing further... Back when I had a fleet of plow trucks, we had a really nasty ice winter. A friend of the family called in a panic as the ice buildup had cause ponding of the freezing rain to flood into his basement through the chimney cleanout and kill his furnace. I had already forbidden my guys to even try to go out in the mess, but I had to try to help the guy out so I went. Total nailbite of a drive to and from. I made it though, and plowed the built up ice and snow away from his house and chopped a channel through the ice underneath so the water would flow away from the house. It was the only time I ever got paid to plow a lawn.

Sounds like fun. Ice is the nastiest of road conditions, I've driven through a few ice storms in which 4WD was actually a detriment. The kind where a car in park will slide sideways on a slight incline and nothing can be done about it. But we digress...

Not when braking.

Think of an icy road...

It's just more dramatic without ABS, but the loss of control is still there. The weight transfer still happens. The adhesion of the tires is compromised, especially the ones that do the steering.

...on average do you guys go on a set of brakes?

Just think about it a bit more when you finish laughing.

Exactly.

Not what I meant, and I think you know it. The statement was that brakes and ABS are your best friend when attempting to avoid an accident. That simply isn't true.

Hope this comes through for you, BP! What a cool car.

Actually, you still don't get my point. Let me put it this way: Spend a week conciously trying not to use your brakes and you will be a better driver at the end of the week.

Lots of advantages to NH, but yes, I want to get away from the friggin burbs.

My part of PA is hardly rural, and way too crowded with people I can't stand. Lots more behind this, but yeah, I'm sick of being here.

Wettest August in 70 years here. Been wet all year.

You guys just don't get it. I'll let someone else explain it to you.

Brakes actually lessen your control of the car, especially in a FWD.

Brakes? Very,very, wrong.