Camino LS6

On that point, we can agree. Too bad the fools running GM at the time couldn't figure that out. Holden has shown GMNA what it should be doing itself, and that is way more important than simply importing a few Holden-built cars. The problem is that GMNA moves too slowly, and Pontiac would wither and die by the time they got 'round to it. So I'm glad that Holden was there to keep the fires of performance burning in the meantime.

Didn't you say yourself that it was personal between you and Holden? Oh, and I do remember the "real " Pontiacs, they were built bfore FWD corrupted the brand.

I think Lutz has some "issues" with W.

OK, so there is a personal element is this - that explains alot. But in comparing the two cars in question, I come to the opposite conclusion. Not one red cent from me for a car anything like a GP. I see the GP and the other current Pontiacs as the real traitors to what a Pontiac should be. No offense intended but they all make me think "YUCK!"

Disagree.

Not the ones who can read.

At this point, I really believe that this is all political gamesmanship. Nothing like Washington to screw-up a good plan.

Okay, so you do like the Grand Prix, but not the GTO? Please explain why, I'm trying to understand.

And you would have paid more for less.

I agree,RBB.

I did a quick search locally and they are out there, but you may have to travel for the color you want. Locally, there is a 2k rebate or 0% financing.

I think I'll send Zora and Arkus down to DC for a meeting with Scrappy!

If this comes to pass, all hope is lost.

No.

Can we have the election next week and gets this crap over with?

Won't happen. The parts will be there as the Commodore will do police duty, but the G8 is a limited production import so production won't be wasted on fleet sales, especially with the RWD Impala being built in NA. Some of the heavy duty hardware might show-up though. :AH-HA_wink:

Hurry and you might find one.

Have a great one,guys!

Hmm... There are only three post-Firebird Pontiacs worth owning: Solstice,GTO and G8. The rest don't deserve a place on the lot. Could GTO and G8 exterior styling be better? Sure, but they are attractive, high quality, perfomance-oriented cars that deliver near BMW levels of refinement at a huge discount. To me that is a fine recipe for any Pontiac. Other than Solstice, nothing else Pontiac has had since the end of Firebird deserved its Arrowhead. They are forgetable cars with NO Pontiac DNA save some watered-down cues and undeserved badges. What we are seeing is the incremental improvement of the breed, the move to new definition of what Pontiac means- and I love it! I'd like to see a G8 (Grand Prix) built and designed here, with more completely Pontiac exterior details and historic cues. But I'd rather get a high quality Holden re-badge than nothing, which is the only other choice if we want anything in the showroom right now. Kudos to GM for making it happen with the excellent GTO! And, for continuing to make it happen with the new G8. Without these two cars and the Solstice, Pontiac has no reason to exist. So, we should rejoice that we have them.

Quoted for truth.

Order a box of the cupcakes and you'll never eat Hostess again. :AH-HA_wink:

This was very true, the dealers really put on their idiot suits when it came to the GTO. Then it came back to bite them in the ass, I hope they remember that.

Hmm... You could spend less money and get yourself a certain low-mile Deville I happen to know about. :AH-HA_wink: Of course you'd have to move your purchase date up.

Still available if anyone has an interest.

That '05 Deville is still available,Fly. :AH-HA_wink: