Robert Hall

Ask Toyota for a bailout?

Yes, like the G3--rebadged Chevywoo crap (though it doesn't have the 'fuel efficient' aspect).

William Friedkin (his movie 'To Live and Die in LA' had a Wang Chung soundtrack...)

Ya...for some reason, I've always liked the genre of '60s 2dr sedans with base trim, big engine, dog dish hubcaps on steel wheels..

I do wonder if Pontiac built any '67 Catalina 2dr sedans w/ the 421, or a '68 w/ the 428. Kind of like the Chevy Biscayne 2dr sedans w/ the 427s.

Lucas

Ya, I think so..definitely not a '65-68 Chevy rear bumper shape, or '65-66 Pontiac rear bumper shape. I believe '67 was the last year for the Catalina 2dr sedan. I'm pretty Buick and Olds quit their B-body 2dr sedans after '61 or '62. I don't recall ever seeing a '67 Catalina 2dr sedan in real life or a magazine..pretty obscure body style.

I think w/ the sedans, I think Buick could do well by using the Lincoln MKS and MKZ as targets, as far as market segment and content.

That looks like a '67 Catalina rear bumper and quarter panel..definitely a '67 style 2dr sedan roofline. Interesting rust patterns.

$30k for a POS like the Canyon? That is a joke..one of GM's weakest links are their compact trucks, IMHO.

Well, Buick needed more modern powertrains 5-8 years ago..they still have 4spd automatics and dated pushrod V6s in their sedans. If GMC is low cost to keep around, they may as well keep it...

I couldn't see myself in a Buick either...though a Pontiac (G8) or a Cadillac (CTS) are both high on my list.

I didn't see delusion.. I don't know if his pricing numbers are accurate, but otherwise---the last Oldsmobiles did have more modern drivetrains and were more 'international' than the Buicks, which were more old-fogey style cars. Compare the 2nd gen Aurora to the LeSabre, or the Intrique to the Century/Regal. And GMC is still by and large redundant with Chevy, with only trivial differences. Their most unique model currently is the Acadia.

Yes, they have the Acadia now, had the Envoy w/ the bed, the Denali trim levels, had the Typhoon and Syclone in the '90s. And the unique V6 in the '50s-60s. But by and large, GMCs have been nothing but rebadged Chevies for decades...the biggest differences are in the marketing. What amazes me is consumers don't see them for what they are.

I wonder what the numbers are now, though. 1 in 20 jobs? 1 in 50?

Who knows, but I believe the typical GMC buyer may not the same as be the typical Chevy buyer and would necessarily cross shop the brands... Purely anecdote, but I do know a couple friends that bought GMCs (a Yukon and an Envoy XL)--their wive's cars are an Audi A6 sedan and a Lexus RX--somehow, I just couldn't see them having bought a Tahoe or a TrailBlazer..

That's what GMC has been at least the 40 years.... it's only recently that GMC has had differentiation beyond grilles and badging.

Well, they certainly have existing tiny fuel efficient micro cars they can get from Chevywoo (Matiz) or Suzuki...maybe they plan on federalizing one of them. Or maybe they plan to bring the Beat or whatever (the micro Chevy world car under development) here.

Apparently, though there are truck and SUV buyers that won't buy a Chevy (too mass-market) but will buy a GMC (perceived as more upscale). Which shows the power of effective marketing, considering the trivial cosmetic differences between Chevy and GMC trucks and SUVs. I would assume Chevy has the higher percentage of medium duty, commercial/fleet pickups and vans than GMC?

Disco Volante

Cool...if that were a 9C1 w/ a light bar and decals, it would look like the City of Phoenix Caprice I see at least once a week downtown..it appears to be still in service, odd to see a car that may be over 20 years old still being used by a police department.

Personal Pontiac perspective--my older brother was really into Pontiacs in the '70s--he had a '73 Trans Am, a '75 Formula 400, then a '65 GTO...one of my first lasting memories of Pontiacs was in a Motor Trend Retrospective article he showed me in the late '70s--it was a two-page photo of a maroon '64 GTO in profile, IIRC. I remember how symmetrical the car was front-to-back. The '69-72 Grand Prix, the Grand Villes, and early '70s Firebird Formulas and Trans Ams stick in my mind as very memorable cars that I noticed as a kid. Also the Can Am...remember seeing a couple of those at the Pontiac dealer in my neighborhood in Steubenville, Ohio. '80s Pontiacs really turned me off the brand, didn't pay much attention until the recent GTO, Solstice and G8.

Just called my mother a few min ago. This time of the year, she's always griping about bad the weather is in Ohio. It always sucks in Ohio Nov-Mar. Thread reply: Kermit

Interesting...I notice PCS is strangely absent from these threads..keeping a low profile. By the way, that '63 GP in yer sig is goregous, Harley...

The Dakar would have been so cool..it would been better than the Liberty.