Drew Dowdell

Actually, it IS that easy. If I have a marrage certificate, then the other person listed on the certificate is my spouse. Nothing else needs to be re-written. With healthcare, marriage couples just get the discount rate from the insurance agency not the employer. If two guys have seperate insurance policies, then get married, it costs the company nothing more then if a heterosexual couple gets married. I didn't know that if gays got married, heteros would somehow have to pay for it..... I'll have to look that up. If I can get a bunch of straight people to sponser the costs of my wedding, that would be awsome..... oh wait.... parents.... right. There are a ton of reasons why gays need the legal recognision of marriage: Visitation rights in the hospital. When my partner was in a coma back in November, I was not allowed in to intensive care to see him until his parents gave permission to the hospital. I am very close to his parents so I knew it would not be a problem. Others aren't so lucky. When one half of a heterosexual married couple dies, the other half inherits <nearly automatically> the assets tax free. I currently own close to a million dollars worth of investment property. I can will all of it to my partner, but NONE of it would be tax free and he'd likely have to sell off a substantial amount just to pay the taxes... thereby generating even MORE taxes. As far as feeling "complete". You're right, all we need is each other. We'll still have a wedding some day and exchange rings, but I would really like to know that he is going to be legally protected if I were to die. I am not close with my parents and he could have a legal battle with them <while also dealing with my death/hospitalization> if my parents choose to fight him. It will take a substantial amount in legal fees to afford him the same protections as you would get by filling out a marrage certificate and paying your $55 fee. There was a time in this country when the majority of the population felt that inter-racial marriage should be illegal and the minority <interacial couples who wanted to get married>, should just shut up about it... isn't their love enough... etc. Yeah... we should go back to those days. Short answer: Because gays getting married doesn't hurt you in any way shape or form. Do you feel harmed because gays can be married in Massachusetts now?

I would argue that "gayest off-roader" would still be the Wrangler.... but that's just personal observations...

In this segment, "quiet" is a desirable trait. The interior of the Lucurne is still nicer then the interior of the Hyundai. The northstar has much more torque. ... and it's a real buick.

In other news, GM, Ford, and Chrysler out produce Mitsubishi.

I was wondering why Wagoner was on 60 minutes, NPR and the local papers all in the same week.

Here is a shirt for the baby.

I thought the commercial was just kinda "eh". I didn't get offended over it and I'm gay. I did think to myself "Some Human Rights Commision types are going to get their panties in a wad about this" Not all gay people a mindless whining minorities. I tell some of the best gay jokes around.

The CTS and STS share a 5-speed. If one gets a 6-speed, likely both will.

If Mercedes Benz put a 7 speed in the 7-series, I'm sure BMW might have a thing or two to say about that. :AH-HA_wink:

Holy CSVs batman! Uplanders, Terazzas and Relays oh my! It's like they hit critical mass here in Western PA.

What does an M3 engine cost again? What does a 3800 cost? Oh... yeah... right. *sips Kool Aide* The M3 engine is the ROXARS! It should be in every car EVAR! Face it, for loafing along on the freeway, efficiently, cleanly, cheaply, quietly, there are few V6 engines that can beat the 3800 in ALL of those aspects.

Two words: Timing Belt

uhm.... he didn't love the Seville, he complained about the FWD and maintainence on it all the time..... just sayin...

I didn't say *this* BTS.... I said A BTS.

*huff* I'm offended. *storms off*

for edmunds.... when I rent DTSes in Florida I beat the snot out of them and still manage 19.

actually croc, his Datsun and Infinity are both RWD.... just sayin

I want them to build an AWD BTS for the U.S. simply so people will stop compairing the CTS to the 3-series and A4. My vision of the Cadillac lineup is thus: BTS AWD = A4 = 3-series CTS = 5-series = A6 STS = 740i = A8 STS-L/DTS = 750iL = A8L = S-class

typo but hey, on the GM US website they say that over 25 million 3800s have been sold. Must be a really sucky engine.

Who's made bigger improvements in the luxury sedan segment, Cadillac or BMW? Lets look at the past 20 years: Cadillac: 1986 1996 2006 BMW: 1986 1996 2006 So... Cadillac, while not quite equal to BMW yet, has made huge strides in this segment. BMW on the otherhand, has been building the same kind of car, with the same kind of formula for 20 years or more. One would expect them to be good at it by now. The simple fact that the CTS and 3 or 5 series are even valid comparisons is a tribute to Cadillacs spiritual growth. Is Cadillac there yet? Not really, but that's why you can buy a discount 5-series competitor from them. I imagine that the distance between the 5-series and the CTS will be cut in half once the '08 CTS arrives.

And BMW doesn't compete in the full sized luxury SUV arena... that doesn't mean BMW is going down in flames. Cadillac is doing quite well thanks. Can they get better? Sure, but they certainly not doing poorly these days. CTS competes with the 3-series only in price. Otherwise it's a discount 5-series competitor.

lots of hot, shirtless gay guys...

Not everyone wants a 3-series. If that were the case, the debate would be when BMW is overtaking GM as number 1, not Toyota. Cadillac is still selling the CTS above it's initial estimates without having to resort to incentives 4 years after it's intro. There is still a market for large, soft, luxury cars..... otherwise the Avalon would not exist. In spite of this poorly researched Edmunds article, the Lucerne is quite competitive with the Avalon. Lucerne is selling pretty well.

You guys still blast the BLS, but it'd probably do equally as well as the Zephyr and according to that other thread, that wouldn't be a bad thing.

So, apparently DCX is selling Mercedes branded Sprinters now?? I saw one today.