Drew Dowdell

Torque comes at a lower rpm too

That sounds like a defect.

43 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

The floating pillar trim styling cue is overdone, looks like a 2015 thing now.  First Citroen then Nissan and Lexus, now GMC doing it 3 years too late? 

Jaguar was the first I thought.... With the current XJ.

I highly doubt a $50k starting price. 

A work van version would be very popular with the post office I'm sure.

Well it's spring time.... I guess people want to go out and have fun.  I know I look at motorcycles more often now that it is getting warmer.

Mazda isn't capped on the upper end by having a luxury brand above it.  They seem to be trying to creep into upper territory with loads of features.  They do seem to swap out some of the interior materials for better stuff as you climb the trim ladder. 

6 minutes ago, dfelt said:

That is why I love my Escalade, so quiet, perfect for comfy road trips. Even buying a 2 or 3 year old version is worth it when you want a great highway cruiser.

You could probably fit an Acura CDX into the bed of an Escalade EXT...... such opposites.

It seems to be more difficult to make smaller cars quiet. I don't know why that seems to be.  

... if the price is reasonable..... but yes, it does look like an interesting entry.

Fantastic car!  They are so smooth and stable on the road. They track really well.  Comparing their driving dynamics to a BMW is not unfounded.  The best part is the big American V8 under the hood.  

It's unfortunate that the Hellcats get all the attention for their huge horsepower numbers, but the SS is so much better of a car dynamically that it more than makes up for the large horsepower deficiency. 

It's also unfortunate that this is the end of the SS. 

2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Try taking a long trip with 4 adults in my MINI Cooper S...you will love the Buick afterwards....

At least on the older ones... I dislike how much outside noise gets into the Mini Cooper that I wouldn't want to take a long trip with just myself.

1 minute ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Which is why it is absurd that SMK is suggesting that they sell a fully equipped sedan that is up to the date in the market as a full EV at that price.

Aside from the development costs... there's no reason they couldn't go down that route with something modern.  The i-MiEV is ancient technology in EV terms... it was launched in 2009 in Japan which means it was developed in the 2006 - 2008 timeframe. That actually makes it older than the Nissan Leaf.  Nissan has a new Leaf coming, there would be potential for some development cost sharing there, but I don't see Nissan getting the oddball looking car while Mitsu gets a conventional looking EV Sedan.  Nissan gets first dibs.

6 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Please see current sales numbers for current Mitsu EV  product priced in that range.

It has terrible terrible range and barely qualifies as a car.

4 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

...and more people will wander in and buy something.  Look, i want Tesla to succeed as much as the next person.  They just have a long ways to go to hit the tipping point of being profitable.  If they ever do hit that point, and become more mainstream, Katy bar the door...they will make money hand over fist.

However  I think there is substantial risk of serious financial issues or collapse before that happens.

Sure... someone gets out of the reservation line and someone else will get back in.... but they're still not going to sell all of those orders in the first year. It is going to take them 3 years to churn through the list. 

I just want to point out that Tesla is not going to fill all of the reservations for the Model-3 in the first year....it will take about three years for them to churn through the backlog... in the meantime, more of those waiting on reserve could wander off and buy something else instead. 

On 5/2/2017 at 10:22 AM, surreal1272 said:

Camaro-8737

Mustang-8063

 

Sorry. I couldn't resist.

 

Seriously, this perfectly illustrates what was talked about yesterday regarding across the board sales struggles and why it will continue. Looks like everyone took a hit last month.

So... the delta between the two is more than double the total Mustang sales per month in China (average = 310).  Are Chinese sales of Mustang still something to tapdance about?

I couldn't resist either.

On 4/29/2017 at 6:32 AM, oldshurst442 said:

@A Horse With No Name @dfelt

Yeah. It is a neat feature. It also keeps track of how fast the car is traveling in real time.

I knew of this when he bought his car a couple of years ago but I forgot about it until yesterday.

@2b2 THANK-YOU!

 

PS: It was a $1000 worth of maintenance....

PSS: Tesla gave him a Dodge Durango R/T as a loaner???!!!

That is a WTF kinda of a loaner car.  All other times his had another Model S.

That's odd. I thought they swapped you into another of the same model you were turning in for service.  It might not be the exact same level 60/70/80/90/100, but a Model-S gets a Model-S and a Model-X gets a Model-X.

Maybe @FAPTurbo can answer?

26 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Seating position in both is rather agreeable as well.

Indeed... I feel very comfortable in the car when it's just the two of us. It's when we try to put 4 adults in there for a long trip that it becomes an issue.  We can do it... but it's tight. 

I moved the excellent Tesla discussion into it's own thread: Measuring Tesla's Success or Failure.  Some small bits of Mitsubishi discussion got swept into there because they were in the same post as a Tesla post.  I've tried to divide it up as cleanly as possible.  Feel free to repost in the appropriate thread any point you made that seems to have gone into the wrong bucket. 

2 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

That is actually pretty good thinking.  But it assumes that Nissan could not add said things to current lineup.  A lot more brand equity in the Nissan name than the Mitsu name.

I agree with you on the brand equity thing.... but Nissan did spend the money to buy Mitsu... so they should give Mitsu a purpose in life, which it doesn't have right now. 

Back to Mitsubishi specifically - If they get a version of the Frontier also... that would make 3 versions of the same truck running around?  Frontier, X-Class, and I guess we'll call it Raider(?) for now.

If Nissan were smart.... they would bring back something that Mitsubishi was known for... offering AWD in many of their models.  They need an AWD Galant, an AWD Eclipse, an AWD Diamante, plus all of the crossovers currently required to compete in today's market.  They need to be Nissan's direct answer to Subaru, car for car. 

On 5/1/2017 at 8:26 PM, smk4565 said:

Tesla is an all electric brand and worth more money than GM or Ford.  Not that Mitsubishi would rise to that level.  But they are uncompetitive with anything Toyota or Honda make now, and it would take billions and billions to compete there.  Might as well put their billion dollars into a couple EV's which are the future anyway.

Tesla has higher market cap only because of speculators betting on its future value.... not what the company is generating in revenue or even it's total assets minus total debts.  I like Tesla, I like their cars, and I like electric cars... but market cap is not an accurate measure of a company's worth when so much of it involves speculation.   For example... if we went by your standards of using market cap, United Airlines lost $750 million in worth just for having security beat up an old Doctor.... but Assets minus Debts did not change, sales don't appear to have been affected, and the stock has now bounced back and heading close to a 52 week high.

Market Cap as a measure of a company's worth is as useless as tenths of a second in 0-60 times determining which car is better. 

19 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Not luxury like the Buick, but my sister loves her Trax.  I fit in it just fine, and it's quite pleasant to drive, around town and on road trips..subcompact vehicles today seem quite refined compared to '80s models I've experienced long ago..(a new 4cyl subcompact SUV was way more desirable to her than a dying Northstar Caddy). 

It's a no-brainer that they will sell it here, since they already have the HR-V here.  

The Trax/Encore specifically have an unusually good amount of front driver room for such small vehicles.

18 hours ago, riviera74 said:

Who would Buy a subcompact CUV such as the Acura CDX here in the USA, particularly a luxury one?  I fail to see where there would be any space to sit in it and drive it.  It is not as if subcompact CARS are on fire from a sales perspective.

Me.

I bought an Encore when it was first released and it has served us well.

If one is available to drive on May 18th at the next event I'm going to.... I'll make sure to take note and/or video it. 

5 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Literally every car they put it in. Every. Single. One.

 

Have YOU driven them?? Because it sure sounds to me like YOU are the one just regurgitating other's thoughts in your attempt to defend GM, as usual.

I've driven the RWD 8-speed in just about every vehicle it is available in except the mid-size trucks of which I expect to experience in 2 weeks.   Some of them on the track (non-competition) and some of them just in normal street driving. It does have different modes, one of which is granny mode, but I've never experienced what you've made claim to when setting up the car appropriately and driving it hard.