Drew Dowdell

I think they still have further to fall in terms of price.... another month or two and the used prices will probably hit bottom if there are no additional scandals.

You're saying that swapping out the drive unit is a big deal. I'm saying it's not and that it is likely not even necessary in many cases, but Tesla is doing it anyway to maintain top consumer satisfaction..... a warranty policy that other companies should consider emulating. But again, nearly everyone here reading this knows you have an agenda against electric vehicles and Tesla in particular.

You're old skool. You're thinking in terms of catastrophic engine failure, generally one of the only reasons a big legacy manufacturer would replace an engine under warranty. They'll only do engine swap outs if the entire engine is toast. That's not what is happening with these Teslas. Some of them just have the petrol equivalent of a check engine light on, but are still otherwise functioning. GM, for a number of years now, has been dealing with timing chain issues on the early versions of the 3.6 and 3.6 DI. This covers the engine in the current Lambdas too. The timing chains will stretch, cause very poor running conditions, and generally F-up the VVT. Initially GM's response was to recall the unaffected cars and reprogram the Oil Life Monitor to go off at 5k - 8k instead of 10k -12k, but all that does is push the inevitable to outside the warranty time limit. GM did this because they were doing frequent timing chain replacements on vehicles with under 30k miles. Imagine having to get your timing chain replaced on your Colorado next year.... how upset would you be? To use your own language; "If GM can't get a timing chain right, technology that has been around for 100+ years, Good lord! What else will go wrong?!" What Tesla is doing is swapping out the entire engine instead of replacing the timing chain because it is faster to just swap out the whole unit. Do you get the distinction yet?

Sorry OCN, I deleted your post instead of quoting it. There is no "are you sure?" On the mobile version. My reply was going to be,"Damn autocorrect!!! "

Because a lot of times, it is just the service advisor saying "We're just going to swap out the drive unit, it will be back to you on Thursday." Simple, friendly, direct, exceptional customer service. And while you might find it a big deal, I don't find swapping out a drive unit in a Tesla under warranty to be a big deal. It's a few wire harness clips and a dozen or so bolts. But I work in technology... I understand that electronics are designed to be easily swappable. As long as the parts are replaced with equal or greater performance, it is no different than swapping out a dead hard drive on a $2,000 laptop.

And still read it again. Tesla took some of those motors to study them. Not because they needed full motor swaps. It skews the results of the CR survey, but the owner got a new drive unit that they might not have actually needed so Tesla can make further adjustments to their design. Tesla does rolling upgrades to their cars without waiting till the next model year, so as they find fixes to make, they go into production quickly. It's a different and more nimble business model than the traditional car companies.

I'd name that Tornado Kermit

Read it again.

I'll shovel the stuff under 6 inches, but more than that and I run into trouble due to the elevation change on my driveway

German/English translation error? It may only cost Benz that much to add to the car, but you better believe they're going to extract a bunch of profit from you at the dealership. Besides, Drivers Assist and Parktronic is priced at $3,500 today and requires $4,000 of other packages as well.

A number of the early motor replacements likely weren't even needed, Tesla just wanted the parts back to study potential failures to avoid them in future. An engine replacement in a petrol car is a big deal. Swapping the motor out of a Tesla is simple, relative to a petrol car. However, on a CR survey, it sounds pretty bad.

Another Pittsburgh plug. The optical tech that allows a car to see like a human in order to judge distance and relative speed for self driving cars was largely conceptualized and developed here. This is different from the laser/radar based cruise control systems and is a crucial piece to the SDC puzzle.

I think the article's title and body do not really imply GM as the overall leader as much as GM is among the big leaders in this emering automotive field. And autonomous tech is kind of like any technology, really. Which means easily* reproducible and substitutable in many cases. GM is among the leaders, while companies like Mercedes and Tesla (they've already brought it to market) in production vehicles, I am very sure all the technology demonstrators by all cars are very alike in capabilities. It's also just a part of the big autonomous 'auto's movement. So things from warehouse carts to mining dump trucks to huge freighliners all being able to demonstrate in daily use autonomous navigation ability. *As in easily I mean in the context of academic settings like MIT, Silicon Valley, Pittsburgh, and/or private enterprises with the resources to dedicated to this emerging technology. Indeed, Volvo Truck has been working on self driving rigs for years now.

CR's survey is unreliable because it counts on the customer making a judgement as to the severity of a defect. Customers are, in general, really really dumb. Then there is the issue of CR giving two different ratings to two mechanically identical vehicles with different badges. It is virtually impossible for there to be a statistically significant difference between a Toyota Corolla and Chevy Prism. They were built on the same lines, with the same parts, by the same workers. Yet CR rated them differently. There are other issues as well.... CR has a long history of being unreliable on car ratings. This is not a defense of Tesla but an indictment of CR.

I'm curious how many miles the self driving SRXes in Pittsburgh have racked up.... without that datapoint, you can't make that assertion.

I need to purchase a replacement snow blower this season.... that looks great

They didn't when the same thing happened with Toyota, I doubt they will now.

Correct. It depends if I go with a 3-row (Durango is top contender) or a truck. But also, if I get a Durango, then he thinks he might not want an SUV at all, and go with a sedan or coupe.

I hear Bimmers have the best V6es....

You're talking about a vehicle review like we might do here that "broke" their scale. The car reliability survey is different and is why they are rescinding their recommendation.

not waiting for the new engine for 2016? (or is it just not out yet) Not out yet, and I get the next new car. We may move up to the Envision next time depending on what I get. If I get something that can haul a lot of stuff, then we may stay with Encore. If I get something with limited seating (Read: Truck) then we'll need to move up. The Encore is great for the two of us, but with 7 nieces and nephews, and in-laws who don't like to drive during family trips, we're finding it a bit cramped. (Not all at once obviously)

CRs self reporting model has known issues and has for years.

Well Michael, I'll have an Encore repair to report next time. We have a squeeky HVAC blower motor. Only an annoyance, but I'm having it fixed.

275hp from a 3.0 diesel is not too shabby. Figure at minimum 360 lb-ft of torque. I worked back assuming a HP peak at 4,000 rpm... the torque rating would only go up if the RPM peak HP is reached is lower.

I was never into sports cars or trucks as a kid. For me I liked the big luxury cars. My parents always had imported, obscure crap-box station wagons (VW Type 3 wagon, 1970s Fiat Wagon something, '83 Subaru DL wagon, '86 Dodge Colt Vista Wagon). In reality, the modern Automotive Journalist's dream cars.... Wagons, 4x4 when available, manual transmission, no A/C. The first car my parents owned that had A/C was in 1996, the year I graduated high-school, when they bought a 1994 Pontiac Bonneville (also their first automatic, domestic car, and sedan)... and only then after much urging from me. Mom was looking at a Mercury Villager Nautica Edition just to keep up with her obscure car streak. My parents were never hurting for money, they're just frugal.... my Grandfather on my dad's side and my great grandfather on my mom's side were the Presidents of their respective companies. The former drove a fairly base '83 Caprice Classic V6, the latter a manual transmission Ford Festiva. Mom's parents drove VW Rabbit Diesels, Datsun 210s, and Nissan Sentra wagons (again, all base, no A/C, manual transmission). Gram on my dad's side had a '78 or '79 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser Diesel... sensibly equipped with power windows and air conditioning. Shutting the door on that sounded like closing the door on a vault compared to the crap-boxes I normally rode in. It was a luxury car to me, but Granddad got his frugality by ordering the diesel and Granddad had a boat to tow. Even with the diesel, it was whisper quiet at speed and road like you were on a cloud. It could haul impressive amounts of cargo though at unimpressive speeds. Oldsmobile was one of my earliest words (not kidding). The cars I admired most though were the Eldorados and Sevilles of the era. Some distant relations owned them (one was a diesel, a Seville I think). They might have been pulling in the drive in a Rolls for all I knew.... those cars had presence. They were modern cars with 1920's proportions. If a two-tone bustle back Seville pulled up, I might have expected Daddy Warbucks and Orphan Annie, or some famous and glamorous actress to step out of the back. Riding in one of those meant you had arrived. I had a matchbox car of the 2-tone Seville as a kid and it was my favorite car out of all of the hundreds of cars that I had. GMTruckGuy found an identical one for me a few years ago. As much as I want to, I've not yet taken it out of the original package. One of the neighbors had a a black Eldorado with a stainless steel roof (!!how cool was that to a 6 year old!). Another neighbor had a dark green ~1979ish Ninety Eight coupe that I had a similar admiration for. The Toronados I learned about more as a teenager. I like the Deco look in just about anything, but the Toronado hit it out of the park. The Cadillac's were known to have the troublesome 4100 engines, so I went with the Toronado instead as my first car... 1920s proportions without the 4100 boat anchor under the hood. That car was stolen and totaled while I was in college, so in 2011 I found and bought another one. So there it is... the impressions formed in childhood... with the results sitting in my garage.