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It goes back to the 4th Gen Camaro and the St. Therese Quebec plant. GM figured they were free when they killed the nameplate after the F-Body died (they even tore down the plant), but I guess there were some rumblings so GM tossed them a bone with the 5th Gen.

The Enclave will come in four trim levels Base, Essence, Premium, and Avenir. Only the Avenir gets the mesh grill the others will retain the classic waterfall grill. GM Authority - 2018 Buick Enclave Attempts To Define Full-Size Crossover Elegance

NOT FUNNY, THIS IS NOT FUNNY AT ALL, YOU GOT ME SCARED SH TLESS HERE, the thought of local PD and State Troopers having this, is scarier than another Tarentino film.

How about a Formula or a Firebird 400 edition, or even (dare I say it) a Trans Am edition.

Uh, What?!?

Ya its to bad a whole bunch of them just took over Congress and Senate back in November.

Holy $h! I did OOPS, and I goofed on the Cutlass Convertable also, but what can ya say I did that list all from memory.

I wonder if that would work with lawyers?

Or maybe it is because GM tried using hybrid tech in vechicles that could actully benefit from its use like full size trucks, or city buses, instead of grandstanding with a overpriced hey look at me econobox that does not make any real sense when you do the math ($30,000 for a car that is the same size as a Cobalt Sedan and gets basically the same mileage, come on lets be realistic here), but GM's way did'nt please the selfish treehuggers (they need a tax break for their overpriced Prius!!!), so people are going ape over the Prius throwing thier money away when they could get more value with a Corolla or a Camry if they had their hearts set on a Toyota, GM has not been uncompetitive, the people in the market have been irrational and in many cases anti-GM (or even anti-American brands) regardless of how good or bad the product may or may not be, because it is the fashionable thing to do.

Yes, but California also has CARB (California Air Research Board?) that adds additional emissions requirements to cars and trucks beyond Bin 5 Tier 2, which make their regualtions the most restrictive of any state in the union, I had heard that New York and Mass. were going to follow Cali's lead in the near future if they haven't already.

Ya you know you are in trouble when the company (Jaguar) who styling you are trying to emulate (copy?) says the look just doesn't work anymore (see 2007 Jaguar C-XF Concept).

Ya but, each one of us could probably come up with an equally sappy or sentimental story as to why we like GM, he had enough BALLS to post his story about Chrysler, so insted of being a shameless wuss and hiding behind insults, take the time to listen to the point he was trying to make. If anyone here is being rude and childish it is you.

( If you count "Top 5 Truck/SUV by C&D) . . . . . . in which the new Silverado did beat the new Blundra.

Somebody correct me if I am wrong but you had the following built on the GM10 (W-Body platform)Chevrolet: Lumina Sedan (Two Generations) Lumina Coupe (One Generation) Lumina APV Monte Carlo (Two Generations, One 2nd Gen Restyle) Venture Uplander Pontiac: Grand Prix Sedan (Three Generations) Grand Prix Coupe (Two Generations, One 1st Gen restyle) Trans Sport (Two Generations) Montana (Two Generations) Aztec Oldsmobile: Cutlass Supreme Sedan (One Restyle) Cutlass Supreme Coupe (One Restyle) Cutlass Supreme Convertible Silhouette Intrigue Buick: Regal Sedan (Two Generations, at least one mild 1st gen restyle) Regal Coupe (2 mild restyles) Rendezvous Lacrosse (Restyle with Lacrosse Super) Terazza Saturn: Relay Well that's 21 vehicles on one platform in 20 years and that is not counting different trim levels (LS, GT, CXS, etc.) performance versions (Z36, GXP, SS) and special edition's (Pace Cars, etc.).

Ding Dong Roger Smith is dead Roger Smith is FINALLY dead, or at least the last tortured remnants (the GM10's, W-cars, etc.) of his failed rule are finally going away.