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It goes back to the 4th Gen Camaro and the St. Therese Quebec plant. GM figured they were free when they killed the nameplate after the F-Body died (they even tore down the plant), but I guess there were some rumblings so GM tossed them a bone with the 5th Gen.

The Enclave will come in four trim levels Base, Essence, Premium, and Avenir. Only the Avenir gets the mesh grill the others will retain the classic waterfall grill. GM Authority - 2018 Buick Enclave Attempts To Define Full-Size Crossover Elegance

NOT FUNNY, THIS IS NOT FUNNY AT ALL, YOU GOT ME SCARED SH TLESS HERE, the thought of local PD and State Troopers having this, is scarier than another Tarentino film.

How about a Formula or a Firebird 400 edition, or even (dare I say it) a Trans Am edition.

Uh, What?!?

Ya its to bad a whole bunch of them just took over Congress and Senate back in November.

Holy $h! I did OOPS, and I goofed on the Cutlass Convertable also, but what can ya say I did that list all from memory.

I wonder if that would work with lawyers?

Or maybe it is because GM tried using hybrid tech in vechicles that could actully benefit from its use like full size trucks, or city buses, instead of grandstanding with a overpriced hey look at me econobox that does not make any real sense when you do the math ($30,000 for a car that is the same size as a Cobalt Sedan and gets basically the same mileage, come on lets be realistic here), but GM's way did'nt please the selfish treehuggers (they need a tax break for their overpriced Prius!!!), so people are going ape over the Prius throwing thier money away when they could get more value with a Corolla or a Camry if they had their hearts set on a Toyota, GM has not been uncompetitive, the people in the market have been irrational and in many cases anti-GM (or even anti-American brands) regardless of how good or bad the product may or may not be, because it is the fashionable thing to do.

Yes, but California also has CARB (California Air Research Board?) that adds additional emissions requirements to cars and trucks beyond Bin 5 Tier 2, which make their regualtions the most restrictive of any state in the union, I had heard that New York and Mass. were going to follow Cali's lead in the near future if they haven't already.

Ya you know you are in trouble when the company (Jaguar) who styling you are trying to emulate (copy?) says the look just doesn't work anymore (see 2007 Jaguar C-XF Concept).

Ya but, each one of us could probably come up with an equally sappy or sentimental story as to why we like GM, he had enough BALLS to post his story about Chrysler, so insted of being a shameless wuss and hiding behind insults, take the time to listen to the point he was trying to make. If anyone here is being rude and childish it is you.

( If you count "Top 5 Truck/SUV by C&D) . . . . . . in which the new Silverado did beat the new Blundra.

Somebody correct me if I am wrong but you had the following built on the GM10 (W-Body platform)Chevrolet: Lumina Sedan (Two Generations) Lumina Coupe (One Generation) Lumina APV Monte Carlo (Two Generations, One 2nd Gen Restyle) Venture Uplander Pontiac: Grand Prix Sedan (Three Generations) Grand Prix Coupe (Two Generations, One 1st Gen restyle) Trans Sport (Two Generations) Montana (Two Generations) Aztec Oldsmobile: Cutlass Supreme Sedan (One Restyle) Cutlass Supreme Coupe (One Restyle) Cutlass Supreme Convertible Silhouette Intrigue Buick: Regal Sedan (Two Generations, at least one mild 1st gen restyle) Regal Coupe (2 mild restyles) Rendezvous Lacrosse (Restyle with Lacrosse Super) Terazza Saturn: Relay Well that's 21 vehicles on one platform in 20 years and that is not counting different trim levels (LS, GT, CXS, etc.) performance versions (Z36, GXP, SS) and special edition's (Pace Cars, etc.).

Ding Dong Roger Smith is dead Roger Smith is FINALLY dead, or at least the last tortured remnants (the GM10's, W-cars, etc.) of his failed rule are finally going away.

Quoted from hyperv6: "I know there were many factors involved with the Fiero but the fact they built 140K the first year killed future sales and demand in the future. Pontiac really only wanted to sell 30K but the plant they had could put out 250K cars a year. Pontiac had hope the GM 80 F body replacment would take up the extra capacity when sales reached the 30K range but it was canceled. Once the GM 80 was killed this gave all those in GM who hated the Fiero the ammo to kill it. The Vette people were at the head of the line as they could not afford to lose any more sales of their own and hope to get a C6 approved. Chevy sells more cars and Chevy get more say than Pontiac." Ya never mind that the GM80 was calling for a FWD Camaro and Firebird just like the Ford Probe was originally supposed to be the Mustang III, I am sure there was allot of input as far as keeping the F-bodies RWD that killed the GM80.

Aahh, spoken like a true member of the youth of America, it does matter when clearly this gentleman is attempting a smear campaign on GM basically on the grounds that they happened to own Opel during the time Hitler ran Germany, but you are Dodgefan so that would not affect you right? Well what this guy is attempting to is like saying the Third Reich owns Daimler Chrysler (and that would include Dodge) right now and you guys are active participants in the Holocaust or didn't they teach you about that in what they pass off for school nowadays.

Its hard to tell what is going on in slates head I have been reading him off and on for a while now and one moment he is acting like a liberal and the next a conservative, I guess he just writes what ever he thinks will piss off the most people this time it is the UAW, next it will probably be GM.

What a 260hp Direct Injection Cobalt, oh man that sounds sweet it wasn't that long ago that the best the Corvette could do was 250hp.

Well this makes sense Edwin Black is a writer for the New York Times (a newspaper with a stellar reputation for credibility NOT!) and this article is being printed in the San Fransisco Chronicle, this guy could have said George W. Bush financed Hitler and the Nazi's with our tax dollars and they would have printed it, the sad part is there is some fool out there that would believe it.

Would you rather the car look plain like the new Lexus LS or the latest "exiting" designs from Lincolin, Summary: the sides are fine quit crying and enjoy this beautiful car that has come from Cadillac, somthing that many people thought wasn't possible as reciently as 10 to 15 years ago, remember the Catara or gasp the Cimmeron.

Use Armor All if you like shiny interiors, the new CTS interior is just fine, quit complaining.

Of course it will, it still is a scam, haven't you noticed that TOTY is spelled TOYoTa Motor Trend has this all figured out, they think that they can fool us by giving the Silverado the award this year will hide their bias (come on the competiton was three other GMT-900's and a forgotton stepsister to the Explorer that was originally based on the mostly dead Ranger) this was a gimme to cover up their screw up with COTY, which let a BORING well built, non-innovative, high selling bar of soap win the award, the TOTY article was buried behind the most important people in the auto industry article (Number 1 was the head of Toyota by the way) for crisssakes.

Naw, they just didn't have anybody to choose from, if Toyota stuck to their original plans Chevy would have got screwed again.

Lincoln is officially dead, if they even remotely think that their Zeph (oops) MKZ stands a chance against this (even though they probably aren't direct competitors) they are waaaayyy bigger fools than I had thought, this CTS is going to strike hard at the way alot of people think of Cadillac.