Sixty8panther

Yup. The way it's looking, the time I see a dime for that accident the Camaro will be in it's 6th generation & the Firebird will be with us again, albeit Hydrogen powered! It's the waiting game. Can't discuss much.

I f**king wish some of the wisdom & coolness of the 1960s was to rub off on this decade! RWD for life, Aiight!

Okay, just ONE more:

B-59: YES! Absolutely.

Awwww.... youssa gonna make me cry. I DO miss the Mad Max '68 Panther Camaro... I hope shes getting the much deserved restoration that the new owner promissed me would be forthcoming. That was still the scarriest, most adrenaline pumping car I've ever owned/driven/ridden in, & that's including a few modern "exotics" like Porsches & Corvette Z06s! There's NOTHING like RAW, natrually aspired, carburated, American MUSCLE (TORQUE & horsepower) to kick your medula oblongata into submission. BTW: The "9C1 retirement" one is by far the BEST!!! Keep em coming.

DIBS!!!

I have three goals. I will be VERY dissapointed if at least ONE of them is not realised. 1. Buy Pre-war car (1929-1939 is about the era I'd like) 2. Replace B-59 sedan with a HARDTOP B-59! 3. Save one rotted classic car from the junkyard & make a true RAT ROD. ---- How 'bout u?

HAHAHAHahhahahaHAHhAhaahaha!!!! LOve the one of XPs '67 Eldo with "Cadillac Bill" leaning on it. I'm surprised that I have not been victimized yet. (although I think that B-pillar one was a stab at my Hardtop rants)

M84: Like I've said a million times: Owning a super-cool Cadillac (the 7.0 liter Banana Boat) OUTRIGHT & getting 10-15mpg puts me in a much BETTER economic situation than buying some modern $h!BOX that gets TWICE that. Guess what? I don't HAVE a $500/month car payment! And yet I enjoy my Cadillac more than almost any car that could be bought for that kind of money. I know poor schmucks paying way too much vehicles that are less appealing. $700/month for a used F350, another person I know is paying $650/month (for 7 years!) for a PT Cruiser he bought new. He'll end up paying like $28K (or whatever it comes out to) for a car that will have over 130K miles by the time he pays it off! (bad credit= high interest rate) Plus I save on Sales Tax, Excise tax, Insurance, & can do most my own maintenance as far as "used car inconvenience" that goes. For $500 a month I can buy a LOT of gasoline!!!

Yeah... this whole mentality that PLASMA BIG SCREENS are a MUST have is very laughable. Once in a while, just to "anti-brainwash" myself how this constant evolution (every new product is advertised to be 400,000% times better than the one it replaces) I listen to my old 1960s & 1970s vinyl records. You know what? IN good shape they sound JUST fine. I love the bumper stcker that says: [ KILL YOUR TV ] Just as we (the USA) are in the same downward spiral the Roman Empire experienced about 1800 years ago (well it was over the course of a couple centuries) we today have many of the same type of vices: TV is the modern CIRCUS MAXIMUS! The brainless masses that sit at home and watch mindless "entertainment" are helping by their apathy & distraction to keep a corrupt and abusive government in power. That's a theory about TV I came up with in College and it's more and more true every day!

I'd like to pick a rough '67/'68 and make it RWD. Stylistically these cars are Gaww-jess! Heres's a famous T.W.C.C. sig I used for a while: Talk about two very different classic cars whose deigns complement each other beautifully!

There's so many things in this thread I could elaborate on. Here's my top ten: (some of them redundant) 10. People who insist on comparing the IRAQ war with VIETNAM. Yes there's similarities but US Troop deaths in Iraq = 4,000 Vietnam = 58,000 9. Wal*Mart - one of the biggest, faceless corporations that is raping our country & strengthening the economy of our enemies. 8. Toyota! For making bland/ugly, inferior, overpriced $hitboxes & ESP. for playing dirty with our nations economy, the Unions & their customers 7. Ignorant people. Not always UNEDUCATED... I've met some ignorant people who have their masters degree 6. Big Brother - if you think 1984 is not yet a reality you need to look around. Our government no longer considers Privacy a freedom we deserve 5. Pretty much every Politician in office right now... esp. Hilliary Clinton! (I'll spare you the details) 4. Modern Unibody cars - esp. Japanese/S.Korean cars that lack any real structure. Rocker panels do not make a good substitute for a FRAME. 3. FWD. not L29/810 Cords, pre-war Citroens, '67-'70 Eldorados etc... but the crappy transverse-mounted-engine FWD that's become mainstay 2. Elitist Yuppies (the HAVES) who insist on how there is no reason to worry about our country's economic future 1. Global Warming Hysteria & all the other (SKY IS FALLING) "save the planet" agenda that spreads like the black plague

Th Civics interior is retarded and this steering wheel lack's the Civic's triangle shaped thumb torture device.

Man I love those Pre-war cars. The variety in body styles, aero-like stytling & art-deco details inside and out makes it the BEST ERA for cars, bar none. Which is why when I have more money than god I'll have a collection with dozens of pre-war cars, dozens of 1950s & 1960s and one or two of my ground up restorations will include a 2 door hardtop 1930s Buick/Pontiac that never was. Only thing cooler than a sexy lookin' hardtop is a dual cowl phaeton. I think convertibles are over rated but if I was to have the need for open car motoring I'd want it to be in a 1930s V16 Cadillac (or dare I even DREAM Duesenberg SJ) with 2 split windscreens & 2 dash boards. Cars used to be all about what the CONSUMER wanted. They were flashy, sexy, risque & even in some cases offensive to a select few uptights. You had dozens of choices when it came to body styles, engines, transmissions, trim, optional eqipt. And if you were roylaty or just disgustingly wealthy they would STYLE the car to your exact specs. at a coachbuilder. One of one handcrafted works of rolling art. Look at this variety of body styles. (1938 Buick) These days the biggest decisions you have to make is weather to get a: - four door sedan impala with a cloth and a cd player - four door sedan impala with a sunroof & cloth - four door sedan impala with no sunroof & cloth - four door sedan impala with a sunroof & leather & XM radio - four door sedan impala with a sunroof & leather & the decklid spoiler - four door sedan impala with a sunroof & leather & the decklid spoiler & XM radio - four door sedan impala with a sunroof & cloth & the decklid spoiler & XM radio or - four door sedan impala V8 ss with a sunroof & leather Exciting. I hate living in 2008.

'40 Olds 5-window coupe?

I do however, (since i came off so negative in the last post) find the anti-tumblehome, venti-ports in the hood, I hope they're functional BTW and the headlights to be quite nice. IF there was one thing I like the most it is the 100% elegant sweep-spear shaped arc across the side flanks. It's very reminiscent of '40s & '50s Buicks while the front overhang is quite well minimized.

I'm not all that impressed. I'll keep the FWD SUX rant to myself but overall the styling & cosmetic details, while clean & well refined, are neither original AT ALL or very engaging to my eye. Quite boring, especially for a concept car. After the Gullwing door Riviera I honestly expected to have WAY more original DNA and a much less generic "30-footer" look. Not quite, 1959 was the first year the Invicta name was used for a production car, it was last used in 1962 IIRC. Eirther way it did not make it past the early 1960s.

Maybe Toyota managed to invent "anti-galvinization" by strip mining salt deposits and impregnating their metal with them. But all joking aside, Moltar: I see your point in terms of the Ford EXPLODERS causing REAL fatalities but that was still mostly user error. Under inflated tires are NOT acceptable! If Ford had told me to lower my PSI to 25 instead of the recomended 35 I'd tell them to go F$$ themselves because they just lost a customer. Regardess of who is telling me something MY OWN common sense prevails. And in the end speeding and stupid driving SKILLZ were at least partially to blame. If I took an off ramp in the Banana at 85mph on wet pavement & managed to roll the effin car no one would be surprized, certainly Cadillac would & SHOULD not be blamed for poor suspension design. And in any case the Tires were less the problem than any thing Ford did. Sooooooo.... my point is Toyota trucks tearing in half is NOT due to user error (underinflated tires or poor/dangerous driving habits)

As far as grilles go there's no new ideas past few decades, it's just a bunch of the same recycled ideas, sometimes well executed but usually jut the same old same old. The one cool thing about Daewoo's styling was that semi- cool art-deco grille deisgn. vertical waterfall grille in the center flanked by two horizontal ports. I thought this one design cue had real potential!

Common sense and a few minutes of careful observation will eliminate 99% of the "lemons"

You've got some good ideas. Am I the only one who will miss the ATLAS I6 motor when it is gone? I think it sucks that after designing such a great inline motor we just let it fade away... not having even been used to its full capacity.