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    Cadillac Planning a 2.0 Turbo XTS


    July 23, 2012

    Drew Dowdell - Managing Editor

    CheersandGears.com

    Cadillac is readying a 2.0 turbo version of their full size XTS sedan model according to a diagram obtained by a CheersandGears.com reader. The diagram, sourced from a U.S. Cadillac dealership parts catalog, shows the 2.0T badging along with the FlexFuel badge we are familiar with from other GM vehicles.

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    When we first saw the diagram, we thought we were looking at evidence of a US bound livery model of the XTS similar to Lincoln’s MKT 2.0 Ecoboost. However, a source inside of GM informed us this was not the case, so do not expect to see the 2.0T version on the road if you live in the U.S.

    This version of XTS will be for sale only in China and likely be an eventual replacement for the Chinese only Cadillac SLS 2.0T.

    Being a cousin of the now departed Saab 9-5, we can expect the XTS 2.0T to have no less than 220 horsepower and 258 ft-lb of torque at 2000 rpm. The possibility exists for more performance as GM has been actively improving their 2.0T, so any engine spec between those above and the 270 horsepower 295 ft-lb of torque available in the Buick Regal GS is possible. All-Wheel-Drive is not expected to be offered.

    In other XTS news, we have confirmed that there are no plans to sell the XTS in Europe contrary to what had been previously reported by other outlets, making the XTS limited to the North American and Asian markets.

    Drew Dowdell is managing editor of CheersandGears.com and can be reached at Drew.Dowdell@CheersandGears.com or on twitter as @Cheersngears

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    Interesting, Interesting, Interesting.

    I think this is the right approach to not have this in Europe. Focus on the ATS and CTS for Europe and then add other new models as Cadillac's fortune grows.

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    Interesting, Interesting, Interesting.

    I think this is the right approach to not have this in Europe. Focus on the ATS and CTS for Europe and then add other new models as Cadillac's fortune grows.

    +SRX

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    Interesting, Interesting, Interesting.

    I think this is the right approach to not have this in Europe. Focus on the ATS and CTS for Europe and then add other new models as Cadillac's fortune grows.

    +SRX

    Very True, I had forgotten about the SRX baby.

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    The XTS was as much for China as anyone. Not sure about the Turbo in this one unless they boost the power a little more. It will move it around ok but I would want a little more power to deal with the weight.

    But it is better than a 2.5.

    Cadillac needs to take these GM engines and make them their own with their own tunes and their own trim. I know it is not cost effective to to Cadillac only engines but they could do more to tune them to the Cadillac line and give us a little more from them vs a Chevy.

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    In the chinese livery market, i'm not sure how much power it really needs. Even just lifting the engine directly out of the 9-5 would likely be sufficient.

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    Ugh. I know the purpose of this, it is a car in which the owner will be driven, and it does not need any semblance of true motive capacity. I am repulsed by the idea, but for this purpose, perhaps the 2.5 would have sufficed.

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    Considering that the DTS and decades of its DeVille predecessors had a V8 standard, the idea of a full size Cadillac with a 4cyl is hard for me to fathom...

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    Yeah, why the complexity of a turbo 2.0, when a relatively simple "lump" of a 2.5 would have been enough to whisk a Chinese executive away in slow motion style?

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    The 2.0T can put out more horsepower and torque than any of the naturally aspirated Northstars and the torque comes on sooner too.

    Yeah, why the complexity of a turbo 2.0, when a relatively simple "lump" of a 2.5 would have been enough to whisk a Chinese executive away in slow motion style?

    No additional engineering. It's all been done already with the 9-5.

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    the 9-5 i drove got out of its own way nicely.

    of course, it had a stick, not an auto, which the XTS won't have. But still there was plenty of motivation.

    2.5'll be in the Impala tho.

    imagine all the rentals and fleet cars with the 2.5!

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    Impala isn't being built in China like the XTS is for Chinese consumption. We don't know is the 2.5 will be deployed in China just yet.

    The other thing is familiarity. The SLS runs around with a 2.0t now.

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    The 2.0T can put out more horsepower and torque than any of the naturally aspirated Northstars and the torque comes on sooner too.

    Yeah, why the complexity of a turbo 2.0, when a relatively simple "lump" of a 2.5 would have been enough to whisk a Chinese executive away in slow motion style?

    No additional engineering. It's all been done already with the 9-5.

    I wonder if these engines can be made quiet enough for Cadillac style, though...I'm not familiar w/ the 2.0 or 2.5, but I'm used to 4cyl engines being horrid noisy little lumps...

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    Sure. The 2.0t is fine in the regal

    But will they us balancers and other forms to make this engine silky smooth and luxury quality for the ATS?

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    I don't know if they've made any modifications to the 2.0T for the ATS, but I doubt they would go as far as adding balancers...

    Would be interesting to see what the DB level is of this engine inside an ATS and compare it to BMW, MB, Audi with their equal engine and then post the results. Put up and shut up to the car magazines. :P

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    Not surprising that this one won't come over to Europe... Sad thing is I really think Cadillac needs a larger than CTS car as an image booster over here, even if the volumes are ultra-niche. The idea of a large, all American-looking automobile could very well help to turn people to their smaller and better suited for Europe cars and CUVs... The Escalade does that job well in the US, but for Europe I think it would have to be a sedan.

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    A car of the weight of the XTS will need the Turbo engine. The flat torque curve will help move the mass well vs the 2.5. Also the engine is not that complex etc under a hood that large. To be honest my 2.0 Turbo has more HP than my 68 and 72 BBC in stock from figured at Net HP.

    Second witht he global market we need to remember cylinder count is no longer in play. Most countries the V8 is rare and to be honest if it were not for trucks here it would be very rare. this was like back when F1 went to Turbo engines and some companies were getting over 1000 HP plus out of Turbo 4 and 6 engines and made for some of the most powerful F1 cars ever.

    I do agree from a preception standpoint the XTS should not have it here till later once it is more of an accepted idea.

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    Probably

    Not surprising that this one won't come over to Europe... Sad thing is I really think Cadillac needs a larger than CTS car as an image booster over here, even if the volumes are ultra-niche. The idea of a large, all American-looking automobile could very well help to turn people to their smaller and better suited for Europe cars and CUVs... The Escalade does that job well in the US, but for Europe I think it would have to be a sedan.

    Probably just as well to wait for the Omega flagship and will allow them time to fix the terrible dealer network over there.

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    Not surprising that this one won't come over to Europe... Sad thing is I really think Cadillac needs a larger than CTS car as an image booster over here, even if the volumes are ultra-niche. The idea of a large, all American-looking automobile could very well help to turn people to their smaller and better suited for Europe cars and CUVs... The Escalade does that job well in the US, but for Europe I think it would have to be a sedan.

    Probably just as well to wait for the Omega flagship and will allow them time to fix the terrible dealer network over there.

    I agree get the Euro network of dealers updated and fixed, before shipping in more product choices.

    It should be a crime for a dealership to be allowed to call themselves a Cadillac dealership when they are a hole in the wall dump like a 2nd hand thrift store.

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    Not surprising that this one won't come over to Europe... Sad thing is I really think Cadillac needs a larger than CTS car as an image booster over here, even if the volumes are ultra-niche. The idea of a large, all American-looking automobile could very well help to turn people to their smaller and better suited for Europe cars and CUVs... The Escalade does that job well in the US, but for Europe I think it would have to be a sedan.

    Probably just as well to wait for the Omega flagship and will allow them time to fix the terrible dealer network over there.

    I agree get the Euro network of dealers updated and fixed, before shipping in more product choices.

    It should be a crime for a dealership to be allowed to call themselves a Cadillac dealership when they are a hole in the wall dump like a 2nd hand thrift store.

    But that is all the Rolls dealer is in Russia. LOL!

    They do need to get this network sorted out and organized right before they make the leap again. If they fail this time even with good product it will be a long time before they could even consider going back again. We are at Strike Two now.

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    Not surprising that this one won't come over to Europe... Sad thing is I really think Cadillac needs a larger than CTS car as an image booster over here, even if the volumes are ultra-niche. The idea of a large, all American-looking automobile could very well help to turn people to their smaller and better suited for Europe cars and CUVs... The Escalade does that job well in the US, but for Europe I think it would have to be a sedan.

    Probably just as well to wait for the Omega flagship and will allow them time to fix the terrible dealer network over there.

    I agree get the Euro network of dealers updated and fixed, before shipping in more product choices.

    It should be a crime for a dealership to be allowed to call themselves a Cadillac dealership when they are a hole in the wall dump like a 2nd hand thrift store.

    But that is all the Rolls dealer is in Russia. LOL!

    They do need to get this network sorted out and organized right before they make the leap again. If they fail this time even with good product it will be a long time before they could even consider going back again. We are at Strike Two now.

    :roflmao: Rolls are 2nd hand cars in Russia! :P

    I agree with 2 strikes against them, they need to sort the network out, invest in proper luxury dealerships and then roll out the goods!

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    I don;t know the laws over there but if MFG can own their dealers or not. IF they could GM should do so to keep control. Or they should get someone involved like a Roger Penske or the like who has some of the worlds largest dealer networks and know how to do buisness anywhere in the world.

    Roger already has ties to GM so lets work together.. He also owns the largest Cadillac dealer in the world. It is also a name that people in Europe know and respect. It would make puttng out the money for a car much easier if you are dealing with a respected name. In this case they repsect him more than GM.

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      GM estimates that the seasonally adjusted annual selling rate (SAAR) for light vehicles was approximately 17.6 million units. GM’s ATPs, which reflect retail transaction prices after incentives, rose $1,200 per unit to $34,500, a new January record.  GM was the only domestic automaker and one of only two full-line automakers to reduce incentives as a percentage of ATP. GM spending was 12.7 percent, down 0.3 points, and the industry average was 12.3 percent, up 1.3 points. Rental deliveries were down 1 percent. Total fleet sales were up 1 percent on a 12 percent increase in Government deliveries and a 1 percent increase in Commercial sales. GM’s fleet mix was 21 percent of total sales. Small business deliveries were up 4 percent. Chevrolet Retail Sales
      The Cruze, up 22 percent, the Volt, up 56 percent, and the Trax, up 40 percent, had their best-ever January retail sales. Total sales were also January records. Spark deliveries were up 40 percent. Bolt EVs, which were available in California and Oregon during the month, had the fastest days to turn in the industry at 7 days. The Tahoe, up 8 percent, and Suburban, up 11 percent, had their best January retail sales since 2008. The Equinox was up 4 percent. The Colorado was up 9 percent for its best January retail sales since 2005. Total sales were also the highest January since 2005. Sales of the Silverado HD pickup were up 32 percent for the truck’s best January retail sales since 2008. Total HD sales were also the best since 2008. Buick Retail Sales
      Crossover deliveries were up 20 percent, driven by higher Encore sales and the first-ever Envision. Average transaction prices were up 9 percent, four times better than the industry average growth. GMC Retail Sales
      Deliveries of the Acadia were up 15 percent. Sierra deliveries were up 2 percent, for the truck’s best retail January sales since 2002. Average transaction prices were up 7 percent, more than three times better than the industry average growth. Cadillac Retail Sales
      Cadillac sales were up more than 1 percent. Crossover deliveries were up 11 percent, on the strength of the new XT5. Total Escalade deliveries were up 10 percent, driven by 7 percent increase in Escalade ESV retail sales. Average transaction prices were the highest in the brand’s history at $55,300, up about $1,000 year over year. GM Momentum Continues to Grow
      In 2016, GM was the industry’s fastest-growing full-line automaker on a retail sales basis, and Chevrolet has been the fastest-growing full-line brand for two consecutive years on a retail basis. Chevrolet grew retail market share in 2015-2016 by almost one full percentage point, which translates to more than 120,000 incremental sales.
      “Our go-to-market strategy in 2017 is the same as 2016,” McNeil said. “We are focused on strengthening our brands, growing retail sales and share, reducing daily rental deliveries and maintaining our operating discipline.”
      GM is optimistic about the year ahead because the economy is strong and the company’s four brands are dramatically expanding their product offerings in fast-growing crossover segments.
      Industry sales are expected to remain at or near record levels, with higher GM retail sales and market share on a year-over-year basis. GM’s deliveries to daily rental companies are expected to decline as a percentage of total sales for the third year in a row. GM will continue to match production with customer demand. Previously announced plans to reduce passenger car production at plants in Lordstown, Ohio and Lansing, Michigan were implemented at the end of January. GM’s operating discipline will help drive continued improvements in brand health and resale values. During January, IHS Markit said GM had the highest overall loyalty to a manufacturer for the second year in a row. Also, Kelley Blue Book gave seven Chevrolet and GMC vehicles awards for outstanding resale value, more than any other manufacturer. Ten all-new or recently redesigned crossovers are expected to drive GM’s 2017 sales results, including two new compact models, which will compete in the industry’s largest segment. Crossover Launches by Brand
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