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    The Cadillac GT4 - A Cadillac Crossover you can't have.... for now

      Cadillac introduced a new Crossover in China, but still no word if it is coming here.

    General Motors has recently been in the habit of releasing vehicles in China before bringing them to the U.S.  Buick released the Envista in China back in September of 2022 but waited until just a few weeks ago to announce the Envista for the U.S. Similar patterns have happened with the Cadillac XT4 and Buick Encore GX. We suspect the same thing is happening here with the Cadillac GT4 that debuted Monday in China.

    What is it?

    large.2024CadillacGT4China0008.pngThe Cadillac GT4 is essentially a slightly fastback version of the Cadillac XT4. While decidedly less "coupe" shaped than the Buick Envista, the GT4 stretches the vehicle's look and gives it a more low-slung side profile.

    The interior of the GT4 is essentially a direct carryover from the XT4 with a large, curved 33-inch-diagonal infotainment and gauge screen that sweeps two-thirds of the way across the dash. Other available features include a 15-speaker AKG Audio system, HD streaming mirror, heads-up display, haptic seats, and iKey wireless entry.

    large.2024CadillacGT4China0003.webpFor China, the GT4 is powered by either a 1.5-Liter turbo or a 2.0-liter turbo 4-cylinder, both with a 48V mild hybrid system.  While power specs for the 1.5-liter are not discussed, the 2.0L is listed at 233 horsepower, roughly the same as the 235 horsepower in the U.S. version.  Buyers can select front or all-wheel drive.

    What will we get?

    While the overall vehicles that are sold in both the U.S. and China by GM are essentially similar, the details and features often change.

    Don't expect the U.S. version of the GT4 to come with a mild-hybrid system, 1.5T, or iKey, but the AKG Audio system, HD Mirror, and heads-up display will probably make it over. A feature that the US may get that China does not is massaging seats.

    Cadillac has choices on where to build the GT4. The XT4 hasn't been selling in large volumes and it shares its U.S. production line with the Chevy Malibu in Kansas City, so GM could decide to build it there. Or, with the possibility of the GT4 being a low-volume model, they could just as easily ship it over from China.

    In China, and with the lower spec 1.5T, the GT4 will have a base price around the equivalent of $31,000, and we suspect that number will be higher in the U.S. as the 2024 XT4 has a base price of $39,090.

    While Cadillac has no official word yet, we expect to hear something soon about the GT4 for the U.S. market.

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    smk4565

    I assumed this was China only.  China is toughing up emissions standards this year, and that is a cheap EV battleground there.  This could be a short lived product as an ICE car might be a real hard sell in China in 5 years.  And Cadillac needs to get their American line to EV in a hurry, because the ICE line is dying on the vine, time to scrap CT4, CT5, XT4, XT5, XT6 and start all over for their 4th or 5th brand overhaul in the past 25 years.   

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    On 6/2/2023 at 8:43 PM, smk4565 said:

    I assumed this was China only.  China is toughing up emissions standards this year, and that is a cheap EV battleground there.  This could be a short lived product as an ICE car might be a real hard sell in China in 5 years.  And Cadillac needs to get their American line to EV in a hurry, because the ICE line is dying on the vine, time to scrap CT4, CT5, XT4, XT5, XT6 and start all over for their 4th or 5th brand overhaul in the past 25 years.   

    This is probably coming here for 2024. There’s a slot in the product plans for a crossover this size in addition to the XT4.

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    smk4565
    3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    This is probably coming here for 2024. There’s a slot in the product plans for a crossover this size in addition to the XT4.

    Which would be a problem with GM product planning in the past 20 years.  The filled the Saturn and Buick lineups with Opels and Chinese built crossovers, just because they were making them someone else, and needed product for American showrooms, even if they weren't the right product for the brand.  Did the same thing with the Holden Pontiacs.  Just keep rebadging mediocre product rather than building class leading product. 

    I start to wonder if GM will be here in 10 years.  I thought their move into EV's would be faster and they could at least somewhat compete with Tesla and beat out the Japanese makes.  Now Mary says they won't make profit on EV's until 2030.  Tesla will be so far ahead by then, it will be too late.

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    Which would be a problem with GM product planning in the past 20 years.  The filled the Saturn and Buick lineups with Opels and Chinese built crossovers, just because they were making them someone else, and needed product for American showrooms, even if they weren't the right product for the brand.  Did the same thing with the Holden Pontiacs.  Just keep rebadging mediocre product rather than building class leading product. 

    I start to wonder if GM will be here in 10 years.  I thought their move into EV's would be faster and they could at least somewhat compete with Tesla and beat out the Japanese makes.  Now Mary says they won't make profit on EV's until 2030.  Tesla will be so far ahead by then, it will be too late.

    Wrong, Tesla only in the last couple of years started to make a profit, they lost money hand over fist.

    QUOTE of Tesla History:

    Tesla was founded in 2003 by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning. Elon Musk joined the company in 2004 and became CEO in 2008. Tesla posted its first quarterly profit in 2013 and reported its first full-year profit in 2020.

    Ten years till it's first profit and 17 years till it's first year of profits. 

    GM announced the BOLT in 2015, started shipping them in 2016, had hiccups no different than Tesla and then announced the Ultium program in 2020, shipped the GMC Hummer and BrightDrop EVs in 2021. They have multiple models coming out this year. 10 years to a profitable year compared to 17 years to a profitable year for Tesla. How is that a bad thing?

    As I have told you before it takes time to ramp up production to lower prices and deliver said product. GM is doing it as is Hyundai, Kia, Gensis, VW far faster than Tesla has been able to update let alone deliver new products.

    I would be worried that Tesla which is having a demand problem much like Ford is a bigger issue of having to be bought out by someone in 2030 than GM going away from the market place.

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    13 hours ago, David said:

    Wrong, Tesla only in the last couple of years started to make a profit, they lost money hand over fist.

    QUOTE of Tesla History:

    Tesla was founded in 2003 by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning. Elon Musk joined the company in 2004 and became CEO in 2008. Tesla posted its first quarterly profit in 2013 and reported its first full-year profit in 2020.

    Ten years till it's first profit and 17 years till it's first year of profits. 

    GM announced the BOLT in 2015, started shipping them in 2016, had hiccups no different than Tesla and then announced the Ultium program in 2020, shipped the GMC Hummer and BrightDrop EVs in 2021. They have multiple models coming out this year. 10 years to a profitable year compared to 17 years to a profitable year for Tesla. How is that a bad thing?

    As I have told you before it takes time to ramp up production to lower prices and deliver said product. GM is doing it as is Hyundai, Kia, Gensis, VW far faster than Tesla has been able to update let alone deliver new products.

    I would be worried that Tesla which is having a demand problem much like Ford is a bigger issue of having to be bought out by someone in 2030 than GM going away from the market place.

    You are comparing a total upstart to a company that has been around over 100 years.  It should not take GM 10 years to scale production.  Perhaps they don’t want to sell more EVs because they lose money on them.  
     

    The Detroit brand gave up on sedans because they couldn’t make money on them.  They will give up on the Trax/Equinox, Escape, Compass etc when the small Tesla Crossover comes and makes them all irrelevant.  Maybe the Ford and GM can survive just selling pickups and full size SUVs but they might be half their current size in 10 years.

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    G. David Felt
    2 hours ago, NINETY EIGHT REGENCY said:

     

    Lots to like, but why no indications on the chair or lumbar support dial, seems missing printing. I also am a bit surprised by the strong clicking noise on the levers which does not say luxury to me. I do like the two-tone interior look.

    Back of those chairs I can see looking so dirty and grimy in no time due to little kids shoes and others just not bothering to car. I do like the black grill treatment and the Cadillac brake calipers. 

    Over all not a bad SUV, I can see Cadillac bringing it NA for a limited run.

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