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    Sergio Marchionne Asks You To Pass On The Fiat 500e


    • Please Don't Buy A 500e. - Sergio Marchionne

    When was the last time you ever heard the CEO of a major automaker say don't buy our car? Never? Well Fiat Chrysler Automobiles' CEO Sergio Marchionne may be the first one.

    Reuters reports that Marchionne told an audience at the Brookings Institution in Washington D.C. last week that anyone considering the Fiat 500e should not buy it.

    "I hope you don't buy it because every time I sell one it costs me $14,000. I'm honest enough to tell you that," said Marchionne. "I will sell the (minimum) of what I need to sell and not one more."

    So why did FCA build the 500e in the first place then? It comes down to the California Air Resources Board mandate which requires the six automakers selling the most cars in the state to sell vehicles with no tailpipe emissions at all from 2012 through 2017. Vehicles such as the 500e are known as compliance vehicles.

    Source: Reuters

    William Maley is a staff writer for Cheers & Gears. He can be reached at william.maley@cheersandgears.com or you can follow him on twitter at @realmudmonster.

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    If anyone still does not believe that California is full of Looney Toons, I feel sorry for them. This is a MONUMENTAL waste of automakers' resources. RIDICULOUS and ASININE. :rolleyes:

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    Funny for the repost of this, guess I should have posted my original on this in the Fiat news rather than the Italians.

    http://www.cheersandgears.com/topic/83314-sergio-marchionne-says-do-not-buy-500e-we-loose-money/#entry745715

    My question still stands, if Electric is so much better, then why do we not see more and better options for pure electric and yet CNG is growing with a ton of choices?

    Second question is the debate over the green house gas production and the toxic waste from the battery creation. Is it better to produce these battery packs with their toxic waste from production and large initial green house gas output or burn some alternative fuel?

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    It's not the California government's fault that FIAT wasn't capable of building a cost-effective electric car. This is entirely FIAT's problem and Sergio is too embarrassed to admit it. They're the ones who made a $33K subcompact.

    Tesla and Nissan are making money on their electric cars. FIAT is just bad at business.

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    It's not the California government's fault that FIAT wasn't capable of building a cost-effective electric car. This is entirely FIAT's problem and Sergio is too embarrassed to admit it. They're the ones who made a $33K subcompact.

    Tesla and Nissan are making money on their electric cars. FIAT is just bad at business.

    Totally agree with this, it is only a matter of time before the union controlled FIAT will die. They are terrible quality controlled products forced on the world to just accept and deal with it.

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    It's not the California government's fault that FIAT wasn't capable of building a cost-effective electric car. This is entirely FIAT's problem and Sergio is too embarrassed to admit it. They're the ones who made a $33K subcompact.

    Tesla and Nissan are making money on their electric cars. FIAT is just bad at business.

    Totally agree with this, it is only a matter of time before the union controlled FIAT will die. They are terrible quality controlled products forced on the world to just accept and deal with it.

    One has to wonder what sane person wants a car the size of a golf cart with the crash worthy ness of a brown paper bag.

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    It's not the California government's fault that FIAT wasn't capable of building a cost-effective electric car. This is entirely FIAT's problem and Sergio is too embarrassed to admit it. They're the ones who made a $33K subcompact.

    Tesla and Nissan are making money on their electric cars. FIAT is just bad at business.

    Totally agree with this, it is only a matter of time before the union controlled FIAT will die. They are terrible quality controlled products forced on the world to just accept and deal with it.

    One has to wonder what sane person wants a car the size of a golf cart with the crash worthy ness of a brown paper bag.

    No one that values quality of life of loved ones, friends and family would risk people in these subcompacts. For all the Green tree huggers that talk about saving the world, what is the price you put on the life of a loved one or what I would call quality of life in living if you have to be in a wheel chair or rely on others to do things for you.

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    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

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    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    Alright, I can obviously sense you are a FCA hater from your many, many posts but you are just plain wrong on the Durango. Wrong, wrong, wrong. It is consistently rated very well by all the car mags, FCA is selling quite a few of them and everybody I know that has one LOVES it. That includes my sister-in-law (pre-refresh 2013) and my parents (post refresh 2014). Perhaps you haven't been in one made since 2011? I personally wouldn't touch one made before that but 2011+ models are very nice.

    There are a number of FCA products you could rightfully refer to as a disaster but the current Durango is not one of them.

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    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    Not a FCA fan here ......we should have saved Pontiac and Saturn

    Durango might be an ok drive but it sure is dull inside and out

    I think I'd trust vw before Chrysler

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    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    Not a FCA fan here ......we should have saved Pontiac and Saturn

    Durango might be an ok drive but it sure is dull inside and out

    I think I'd trust vw before Chrysler

    Pretty much this.

    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    Alright, I can obviously sense you are a FCA hater from your many, many posts but you are just plain wrong on the Durango. Wrong, wrong, wrong. It is consistently rated very well by all the car mags, FCA is selling quite a few of them and everybody I know that has one LOVES it. That includes my sister-in-law (pre-refresh 2013) and my parents (post refresh 2014). Perhaps you haven't been in one made since 2011? I personally wouldn't touch one made before that but 2011+ models are very nice.

    There are a number of FCA products you could rightfully refer to as a disaster but the current Durango is not one of them.

    In all fairness to Chryselr, no I have not been in one post 2011. Maybe I will check one out.

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    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    WRONG - Do not pass go, Do not collect $200. The Durango had problems as a full size for the second generation but the first and the 3rd or current Durango are a success and this was way before Fiat really got involved. After this generation then you can blame Fiat if the Durango go south. But right now the current Durango and if they built a Hybrid like the Volt on the Durango would be a success.

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    Not a FCA fan here ......we should have saved Pontiac and Saturn

    Durango might be an ok drive but it sure is dull inside and out

    I think I'd trust vw before Chrysler

    Well, I owned a 2007 Saturn Aura and a 2008 Saturn Vue when GM announced they were folding the brand and I have always been a big Pontiac fan so I wasn't thrilled when they were both killed. I guess I could also throw in that I have had three 2005+ Saab's, including a 2007 9-5 when they sold Saab. Apparently my interest in a GM brand helps kill it. lol Let's hope my Cruze purchase doesn't lead to the death of Chevrolet.

    All kidding aside, though, I think it was right to kill those two brands as opposed to all of Chrysler. Chrysler going under would have put a lot more people out of work than two brands dying plus I am a firm believer having fewer brands will make GM stronger. Much like you (and many other people) I was surprised they picked Buick over Pontiac but all I can say about that is... China.

    Do you really think the Durango is dull inside and out? To each their own, I guess. I personally feel it is one of the better looking SUV's on the market right now. The interior isn't as nice as the GC's but it's still pretty nice. Out of curiosity, what do you like better for the price?

    In all fairness to Chryselr, no I have not been in one post 2011. Maybe I will check one out.

    As dfelt stated the current generation GC and Durango were actually started under Cerberus. They both are huge improvements over their predecessors IMO and the MY14 refresh enhanced them both even more. If you are bored one day, you may want to swing by your local dealership and check a Durango out. You may still hate it but I wouldn't be surprised if you wound up liking it. Either way, it is always fun to stop at the dealership and check new cars out! :)

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    Let me clarify hate...I used to work with a guy named Tony who was a huge Cowboys fan, he just loved Dallas. We worked together for several years and I gave him crap about the Cowboys every single day...but also loved him like a brother.

    I do not mean to offend. Perhaps a better way of putting things would just be to say that I am frustrated by some Chrysler products that don't quite seem to get it all the way right. Followed a sweetly detailed 300C home tonight, thought of this thread.

    I will work on having a more open mind and being less negative. There are plenty of negative people on other forums...I will stop being an ass here.

    ...and I will have to check out that Durango!

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    Let me clarify hate...I used to work with a guy named Tony who was a huge Cowboys fan, he just loved Dallas. We worked together for several years and I gave him crap about the Cowboys every single day...but also loved him like a brother.

    I do not mean to offend. Perhaps a better way of putting things would just be to say that I am frustrated by some Chrysler products that don't quite seem to get it all the way right. Followed a sweetly detailed 300C home tonight, thought of this thread.

    I will work on having a more open mind and being less negative. There are plenty of negative people on other forums...I will stop being an ass here.

    ...and I will have to check out that Durango!

    I don't get offended by your comments and I don't think you were being an ass! :) You are entitled to your opinions even if folks don't agree with them. Like I said, there are still a number of FCA products that deserve to be picked on. I just think you picked on the wrong one! :D I really do think you will like the latest generation(or at least have a much more positive impression) if you check one out.

    IMO pretty much every automaker makes at least one product that deserves a little bashing.

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    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    The latest Durango is great. I just took one on a 450 mile trip and averaged 28.6 mpg from the V6/8-speed/RWD

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    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    The latest Durango is great. I just took one on a 450 mile trip and averaged 28.6 mpg from the V6/8-speed/RWD

    Wow.

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    Let me clarify hate...I used to work with a guy named Tony who was a huge Cowboys fan, he just loved Dallas. We worked together for several years and I gave him crap about the Cowboys every single day...but also loved him like a brother.

    I do not mean to offend. Perhaps a better way of putting things would just be to say that I am frustrated by some Chrysler products that don't quite seem to get it all the way right. Followed a sweetly detailed 300C home tonight, thought of this thread.

    I will work on having a more open mind and being less negative. There are plenty of negative people on other forums...I will stop being an ass here.

    ...and I will have to check out that Durango!

    I don't get offended by your comments and I don't think you were being an ass! :) You are entitled to your opinions even if folks don't agree with them. Like I said, there are still a number of FCA products that deserve to be picked on. I just think you picked on the wrong one! :D I really do think you will like the latest generation(or at least have a much more positive impression) if you check one out.

    IMO pretty much every automaker makes at least one product that deserves a little bashing.

    Totally agree with this, I also do not think you or anyone is being an ass, just the wrong product chosen. All Auto Companies have bad products, the Durango right now is a pretty sharp solid SUV./CUV

    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    The latest Durango is great. I just took one on a 450 mile trip and averaged 28.6 mpg from the V6/8-speed/RWD

    Very cool to hear about the awesome Mileage.

    Also Cool Avatar Pic! :D

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      FCA US Reports Increase in July 2016 U.S. Sales  Jeep® and Ram Truck brands both up 5 percent year-over-year Sales of Jeep Renegade up 57 percent in July versus same month in 2015 Ram ProMaster and Ram ProMaster City vans drive brand increase in July All-new 2017 Fiat 124 Spider posts 480 sales in its first full month in the marketplace Sales of all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica up month-over-month as launch momentum continues to build  August 2, 2016 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - FCA US LLC today reported U.S. sales of 180,727 units, up 0.3 percent compared with sales in July 2015 (180,124 units).   FCA US retail sales of 155,885 were down 2 percent in July, while fleet sales of 24,842 were up 22 percent year-over-year.   Both the Jeep® and Ram Truck brands were up 5 percent in July compared with the same month a year ago. The Jeep Renegade, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Jeep Compass and Jeep Patriot posted sales gains in July versus July 2015, as did the Ram pickup truck and the Ram ProMaster and Ram ProMaster City vans. Two Dodge brand models – the Dodge Grand Caravan and the Dodge Challenger – also turned in year-over-year sales gains in July. Sales of the Fiat 500X were up year-over-year as well.   Jeep Brand Jeep brand sales were up 5 percent in July versus the same month in 2015. The Jeep Renegade’s 57 percent increase was the largest percentage increase of any Jeep brand model in July. In addition, the Jeep Grand Cherokee, Jeep Compass and the Jeep Patriot each logged a year-over-year sales gain. Last month, the Jeep Grand Cherokee – the most awarded SUV ever – won AutoPacific’s Ideal Vehicle Award for the Mid-Size SUV segment for the sixth consecutive year.   Ram Truck Brand Ram Truck brand sales, which include the Ram pickup, Ram ProMaster and Ram ProMaster City, were up 5 percent in July versus the same month a year ago. The increase was driven in part by double-digit percentage increases by the Ram ProMaster and the Ram ProMaster City vans. In addition, sales of the Ram pickup truck were up 2 percent compared with the same month a year ago. FCA US announced in July that it will invest $1.48 billion in its Sterling Heights Assembly Plant (Mich.) to retool it to build the next-generation Ram 1500 and support the future growth of the Ram Truck brand.   Chrysler Brand Chrysler brand sales were down 4 percent in July compared with the same month a year ago. The all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica continues to build momentum in the marketplace. Sales of the Pacifica were up 1 percent in July compared with the previous month of June. July was the minivan’s fourth month in the marketplace. The Pacifica earned an Editor’s Choice pick in July from Roadshow by CNET, in part for the “nicest interior and smart, family-minded technology.”   Dodge Brand Dodge brand sales were down 10 percent in July compared with the same month a year ago. The Dodge Grand Caravan and the Dodge Challenger each posted year-over-year increases in July versus the same month a year ago. Sales of the Grand Caravan were up 28 percent, while sales of the Challenger muscle car increased 7 percent in July. For the fourth year, the Challenger won AutoPacific’s Ideal Vehicle Award in the Sporty Car segment, having the “Most Ideal Sporty Car” in its segment.    FIAT Brand FIAT brand sales, which include the Fiat 500, Fiat 500L and 500X, were down 14 percent in July. In its first month on sale, the all-new 2017 Fiat 124 Spider posted 480 in sales in July. The 124 Spider revives the storied nameplate, bringing its classic Italian styling and performance to a new generation. Paying homage to the original 124 Spider nearly 50 years after its introduction, the 2017 Fiat 124 Spider delivers the ultimate Italian roadster experience with driving excitement, technology and safety combined with iconic design. In July, sales of the Fiat 500X were up 1 percent compared with the same month a year ago.    FCA US LLC Sales Summary July 2016
      Reflects Restated Sales
                      Month Sales
      Vol %
      CYTD Sales
      Vol %
      Model
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Change
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Change
      Compass
      7,005
      5,359
      31%
      57,565
      33,527
      72%
      Patriot
      11,288
      10,211
      11%
      71,926
      69,638
      3%
      Wrangler
      18,741
      19,828
      -5%
      119,042
      121,272
      -2%
      Cherokee
      15,451
      17,460
      -12%
      116,424
      122,568
      -5%
      Grand Cherokee
      16,704
      16,191
      3%
      116,850
      109,176
      7%
      Renegade
      10,057
      6,410
      57%
      61,907
      19,920
      211%
        JEEP BRAND
      79,246
      75,459
      5%
      543,714
      476,101
      14%
      200
      5,474
      9,526
      -43%
      41,676
      116,135
      -64%
      300
      2,369
      3,820
      -38%
      33,154
      28,730
      15%
      Town & Country
      3,341
      6,561
      -49%
      54,826
      46,214
      19%
      Pacifica
      7,911
      0
      New
      18,742
      0
      New
        CHRYSLER BRAND
      19,095
      19,907
      -4%
      148,398
      191,079
      -22%
      Dart
      3,341
      5,797
      -42%
      31,602
      54,759
      -42%
      Avenger
      0
      90
      -100%
      0
      1,152
      -100%
      Charger
      4,949
      5,936
      -17%
      57,852
      60,838
      -5%
      Challenger
      5,619
      5,241
      7%
      39,998
      42,332
      -6%
      Viper
      49
      57
      -14%
      350
      419
      -16%
      Journey
      6,376
      9,255
      -31%
      54,051
      62,008
      -13%
      Caravan
      10,055
      7,846
      28%
      84,140
      45,888
      83%
      Durango
      5,131
      5,270
      -3%
      43,665
      36,305
      20%
        DODGE  BRAND
      35,520
      39,492
      -10%
      311,658
      303,701
      3%
      Ram P/U
      39,827
      39,159
      2%
      270,637
      254,902
      6%
      Cargo Van
      0
      59
      -100%
      21
      2,115
      -99%
      ProMaster Van
      3,055
      2,167
      41%
      20,527
      14,225
      44%
      ProMaster City
      1,187
      636
      87%
      10,897
      3,682
      196%
        RAM BRAND
      44,069
      42,021
      5%
      302,082
      274,924
      10%
      Alfa 4C 
      43
      49
      -12%
      338
      354
      -5%
        ALFA BRAND
      43
      49
      -12%
      338
      354
      -5%
      500
      1,097
      1,940
      -43%
      8,857
      15,880
      -44%
      500L
      227
      314
      -28%
      2,527
      6,020
      -58%
      500X
      950
      942
      1%
      7,481
      1,218
      514%
      Spider
      480
      0
      New
      481
      0
      New
        FIAT BRAND
      2,754
      3,196
      -14%
      19,346
      23,118
      -16%
        TOTAL FCA US LLC
      180,727
      180,124
      0%
      1,325,536
      1,269,277
      4%
                          Total Car & MPV
      44,955
      47,177
      -5%
      374,543
      418,721
      -11%
            Total UV's
      91,703
      90,926
      1%
      648,911
      575,632
      13%
            Total Truck & LCV
      44,069
      42,021
      5%
      302,082
      274,924
      10%
       
       
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