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    Sergio Marchionne Asks You To Pass On The Fiat 500e


    • Please Don't Buy A 500e. - Sergio Marchionne

    When was the last time you ever heard the CEO of a major automaker say don't buy our car? Never? Well Fiat Chrysler Automobiles' CEO Sergio Marchionne may be the first one.

    Reuters reports that Marchionne told an audience at the Brookings Institution in Washington D.C. last week that anyone considering the Fiat 500e should not buy it.

    "I hope you don't buy it because every time I sell one it costs me $14,000. I'm honest enough to tell you that," said Marchionne. "I will sell the (minimum) of what I need to sell and not one more."

    So why did FCA build the 500e in the first place then? It comes down to the California Air Resources Board mandate which requires the six automakers selling the most cars in the state to sell vehicles with no tailpipe emissions at all from 2012 through 2017. Vehicles such as the 500e are known as compliance vehicles.

    Source: Reuters

    William Maley is a staff writer for Cheers & Gears. He can be reached at william.maley@cheersandgears.com or you can follow him on twitter at @realmudmonster.

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    If anyone still does not believe that California is full of Looney Toons, I feel sorry for them. This is a MONUMENTAL waste of automakers' resources. RIDICULOUS and ASININE. :rolleyes:

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    Funny for the repost of this, guess I should have posted my original on this in the Fiat news rather than the Italians.

    http://www.cheersandgears.com/topic/83314-sergio-marchionne-says-do-not-buy-500e-we-loose-money/#entry745715

    My question still stands, if Electric is so much better, then why do we not see more and better options for pure electric and yet CNG is growing with a ton of choices?

    Second question is the debate over the green house gas production and the toxic waste from the battery creation. Is it better to produce these battery packs with their toxic waste from production and large initial green house gas output or burn some alternative fuel?

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    It's not the California government's fault that FIAT wasn't capable of building a cost-effective electric car. This is entirely FIAT's problem and Sergio is too embarrassed to admit it. They're the ones who made a $33K subcompact.

    Tesla and Nissan are making money on their electric cars. FIAT is just bad at business.

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    It's not the California government's fault that FIAT wasn't capable of building a cost-effective electric car. This is entirely FIAT's problem and Sergio is too embarrassed to admit it. They're the ones who made a $33K subcompact.

    Tesla and Nissan are making money on their electric cars. FIAT is just bad at business.

    Totally agree with this, it is only a matter of time before the union controlled FIAT will die. They are terrible quality controlled products forced on the world to just accept and deal with it.

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    It's not the California government's fault that FIAT wasn't capable of building a cost-effective electric car. This is entirely FIAT's problem and Sergio is too embarrassed to admit it. They're the ones who made a $33K subcompact.

    Tesla and Nissan are making money on their electric cars. FIAT is just bad at business.

    Totally agree with this, it is only a matter of time before the union controlled FIAT will die. They are terrible quality controlled products forced on the world to just accept and deal with it.

    One has to wonder what sane person wants a car the size of a golf cart with the crash worthy ness of a brown paper bag.

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    It's not the California government's fault that FIAT wasn't capable of building a cost-effective electric car. This is entirely FIAT's problem and Sergio is too embarrassed to admit it. They're the ones who made a $33K subcompact.

    Tesla and Nissan are making money on their electric cars. FIAT is just bad at business.

    Totally agree with this, it is only a matter of time before the union controlled FIAT will die. They are terrible quality controlled products forced on the world to just accept and deal with it.

    One has to wonder what sane person wants a car the size of a golf cart with the crash worthy ness of a brown paper bag.

    No one that values quality of life of loved ones, friends and family would risk people in these subcompacts. For all the Green tree huggers that talk about saving the world, what is the price you put on the life of a loved one or what I would call quality of life in living if you have to be in a wheel chair or rely on others to do things for you.

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    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

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    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    Alright, I can obviously sense you are a FCA hater from your many, many posts but you are just plain wrong on the Durango. Wrong, wrong, wrong. It is consistently rated very well by all the car mags, FCA is selling quite a few of them and everybody I know that has one LOVES it. That includes my sister-in-law (pre-refresh 2013) and my parents (post refresh 2014). Perhaps you haven't been in one made since 2011? I personally wouldn't touch one made before that but 2011+ models are very nice.

    There are a number of FCA products you could rightfully refer to as a disaster but the current Durango is not one of them.

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    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    Not a FCA fan here ......we should have saved Pontiac and Saturn

    Durango might be an ok drive but it sure is dull inside and out

    I think I'd trust vw before Chrysler

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    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    Not a FCA fan here ......we should have saved Pontiac and Saturn

    Durango might be an ok drive but it sure is dull inside and out

    I think I'd trust vw before Chrysler

    Pretty much this.

    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    Alright, I can obviously sense you are a FCA hater from your many, many posts but you are just plain wrong on the Durango. Wrong, wrong, wrong. It is consistently rated very well by all the car mags, FCA is selling quite a few of them and everybody I know that has one LOVES it. That includes my sister-in-law (pre-refresh 2013) and my parents (post refresh 2014). Perhaps you haven't been in one made since 2011? I personally wouldn't touch one made before that but 2011+ models are very nice.

    There are a number of FCA products you could rightfully refer to as a disaster but the current Durango is not one of them.

    In all fairness to Chryselr, no I have not been in one post 2011. Maybe I will check one out.

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    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    WRONG - Do not pass go, Do not collect $200. The Durango had problems as a full size for the second generation but the first and the 3rd or current Durango are a success and this was way before Fiat really got involved. After this generation then you can blame Fiat if the Durango go south. But right now the current Durango and if they built a Hybrid like the Volt on the Durango would be a success.

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    Not a FCA fan here ......we should have saved Pontiac and Saturn

    Durango might be an ok drive but it sure is dull inside and out

    I think I'd trust vw before Chrysler

    Well, I owned a 2007 Saturn Aura and a 2008 Saturn Vue when GM announced they were folding the brand and I have always been a big Pontiac fan so I wasn't thrilled when they were both killed. I guess I could also throw in that I have had three 2005+ Saab's, including a 2007 9-5 when they sold Saab. Apparently my interest in a GM brand helps kill it. lol Let's hope my Cruze purchase doesn't lead to the death of Chevrolet.

    All kidding aside, though, I think it was right to kill those two brands as opposed to all of Chrysler. Chrysler going under would have put a lot more people out of work than two brands dying plus I am a firm believer having fewer brands will make GM stronger. Much like you (and many other people) I was surprised they picked Buick over Pontiac but all I can say about that is... China.

    Do you really think the Durango is dull inside and out? To each their own, I guess. I personally feel it is one of the better looking SUV's on the market right now. The interior isn't as nice as the GC's but it's still pretty nice. Out of curiosity, what do you like better for the price?

    In all fairness to Chryselr, no I have not been in one post 2011. Maybe I will check one out.

    As dfelt stated the current generation GC and Durango were actually started under Cerberus. They both are huge improvements over their predecessors IMO and the MY14 refresh enhanced them both even more. If you are bored one day, you may want to swing by your local dealership and check a Durango out. You may still hate it but I wouldn't be surprised if you wound up liking it. Either way, it is always fun to stop at the dealership and check new cars out! :)

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    Let me clarify hate...I used to work with a guy named Tony who was a huge Cowboys fan, he just loved Dallas. We worked together for several years and I gave him crap about the Cowboys every single day...but also loved him like a brother.

    I do not mean to offend. Perhaps a better way of putting things would just be to say that I am frustrated by some Chrysler products that don't quite seem to get it all the way right. Followed a sweetly detailed 300C home tonight, thought of this thread.

    I will work on having a more open mind and being less negative. There are plenty of negative people on other forums...I will stop being an ass here.

    ...and I will have to check out that Durango!

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    Let me clarify hate...I used to work with a guy named Tony who was a huge Cowboys fan, he just loved Dallas. We worked together for several years and I gave him crap about the Cowboys every single day...but also loved him like a brother.

    I do not mean to offend. Perhaps a better way of putting things would just be to say that I am frustrated by some Chrysler products that don't quite seem to get it all the way right. Followed a sweetly detailed 300C home tonight, thought of this thread.

    I will work on having a more open mind and being less negative. There are plenty of negative people on other forums...I will stop being an ass here.

    ...and I will have to check out that Durango!

    I don't get offended by your comments and I don't think you were being an ass! :) You are entitled to your opinions even if folks don't agree with them. Like I said, there are still a number of FCA products that deserve to be picked on. I just think you picked on the wrong one! :D I really do think you will like the latest generation(or at least have a much more positive impression) if you check one out.

    IMO pretty much every automaker makes at least one product that deserves a little bashing.

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    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    The latest Durango is great. I just took one on a 450 mile trip and averaged 28.6 mpg from the V6/8-speed/RWD

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    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    The latest Durango is great. I just took one on a 450 mile trip and averaged 28.6 mpg from the V6/8-speed/RWD

    Wow.

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    Let me clarify hate...I used to work with a guy named Tony who was a huge Cowboys fan, he just loved Dallas. We worked together for several years and I gave him crap about the Cowboys every single day...but also loved him like a brother.

    I do not mean to offend. Perhaps a better way of putting things would just be to say that I am frustrated by some Chrysler products that don't quite seem to get it all the way right. Followed a sweetly detailed 300C home tonight, thought of this thread.

    I will work on having a more open mind and being less negative. There are plenty of negative people on other forums...I will stop being an ass here.

    ...and I will have to check out that Durango!

    I don't get offended by your comments and I don't think you were being an ass! :) You are entitled to your opinions even if folks don't agree with them. Like I said, there are still a number of FCA products that deserve to be picked on. I just think you picked on the wrong one! :D I really do think you will like the latest generation(or at least have a much more positive impression) if you check one out.

    IMO pretty much every automaker makes at least one product that deserves a little bashing.

    Totally agree with this, I also do not think you or anyone is being an ass, just the wrong product chosen. All Auto Companies have bad products, the Durango right now is a pretty sharp solid SUV./CUV

    Given their product development, Fiat/Chrysler should consider making pot holders or gardening tools rather than automobiles. A Durango is pretty much a disaster, electric or gas powered.

    The latest Durango is great. I just took one on a 450 mile trip and averaged 28.6 mpg from the V6/8-speed/RWD

    Very cool to hear about the awesome Mileage.

    Also Cool Avatar Pic! :D

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      Dodge brand sales were down 16 percent in October compared with the same month a year ago. Even so, the Dodge Journey full-size crossover posted a strong 17 percent year-over-year sales gain for the month. Dodge Viper sales edged up 2 percent. The 2017 Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger each earned a five-star overall safety rating last month from the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). Five stars is the highest rating in the regulatory agency’s vehicle-evaluation program.
        
      FIAT Brand
      FIAT brand sales, which include the Fiat 500, Fiat 500L, Fiat 500X and Fiat 124 Spider, were down 24 percent in October. However, sales of the Fiat 500 were up 8 percent year-over-year for the month. In its fourth month in the market, the all-new 124 Spider recorded sales of 444 units. The 124 Spider brings classic Italian styling and proven performance to a new generation of buyers. Paying homage to the original 124 Spider, the all-new Spider delivers the ultimate Italian roadster experience with driving excitement, technology and safety combined with iconic design.
       
      Chrysler Brand
      Chrysler brand sales were down 45 percent in October versus the same month in 2015. The all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica – Cars.com’s Best Minivan of 2016 – posted sales of 7,758 units in October. The Pacifica has earned a rating of Top Safety Pick+ for 2016 from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS). Re-engineered from the ground up on an all-new platform, the Pacifica delivers class-leading gasoline and hybrid powertrains to the minivan segment. Sales of the 2017 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid are expected to begin in the U.S. by the end of this year. The Pacifica Hybrid, the industry’s first electrified minivan, will deliver an estimated range of 30 miles solely on zero-emissions electric power from a 16-kWh lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery and an estimated 530-mile total gas and electric range. 
      FCA US LLC Sales Summary October 2016 Reflects New Methodology                        Month Sales Vol % CYTD Sales Vol % Model Curr Yr Pr Yr Change Curr Yr Pr Yr Change Compass 6,207 6,787 -9% 79,123 54,979 44% Patriot 9,510 9,369 2% 105,549 99,035 7% Wrangler 14,469 15,632 -7% 163,096 172,887 -6% Cherokee 13,531 17,533 -23% 171,877 177,874 -3% Grand Cherokee 17,867 16,405 9% 171,793 158,084 9% Renegade 7,242 7,979 -9% 84,494 44,492 90% JEEP BRAND 68,826 73,705 -7% 775,932 707,351 10% 200 2,843 9,066 -69% 51,802 147,602 -65% 300 3,051 4,311 -29% 47,091 44,121 7% Town & Country 529 12,286 -96% 58,455 74,371 -21% Pacifica 7,758 0 New 43,330 0 New CHRYSLER BRAND 14,181 25,663 -45% 200,678 266,094 -25% Dart 2,407 6,520 -63% 39,674 74,840 -47% Avenger 0 22 -100% 44 1,279 -97% Charger 6,792 8,936 -24% 79,062 81,519 -3% Challenger 4,127 5,288 -22% 55,268 57,516 -4% Viper 62 61 2% 509 582 -13% Journey 11,912 10,198 17% 89,858 92,233 -3% Caravan 11,563 13,524 -15% 114,295 78,907 45% Durango 4,651 5,134 -9% 57,744 51,253 13% DODGE  BRAND 41,514 49,683 -16% 436,454 438,129 0% Ram P/U 43,891 41,042 7% 404,977 374,579 8% Cargo Van 0 9 -100% 21 2,155 -99% ProMaster Van 4,500 2,349 92% 31,044 21,574 44% ProMaster City 1,052 925 14% 13,701 6,294 118% RAM BRAND 49,443 44,325 12% 449,743 404,602 11% Giulia 0 0 New 7 0 New Alfa 4C  23 58 -60% 434 569 -24% ALFA BRAND 23 58 -60% 441 569 -22% 500 1,276 1,180 8% 12,879 21,269 -39% 500L 119 290 -59% 2,920 7,044 -59% 500X 783 1,994 -61% 10,047 6,164 63% Spider 444 0 New 1,875 0 New FIAT BRAND 2,622 3,464 -24% 27,721 34,477 -20% TOTAL FCA US LLC 176,609 196,898 -10% 1,890,969 1,851,222 2%                   Total Car & MPV 40,994 61,542 -33% 507,645 589,619 -14%     Total UV's 86,172 91,031 -5% 933,581 857,001 9%     Total Truck & LCV 49,443 44,325 12% 449,743 404,602 11%
    • By William Maley
      FCA US Reports September 2016 U.S. Sales
      Ram Truck brand sales increased 27 percent; pickup truck sales up 29 percent Sales of all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica minivan increased 23 percent versus previous month of August Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger each recorded double-digit percentage gains in September October 3, 2016 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - FCA US LLC today reported U.S. sales of 192,883 units, a 1 percent decrease compared with sales in September 2015 (194,666 units).
       
      FCA US retail sales were 146,453 units in September, while fleet sales were 46,430 units. Retail sales represented 76 percent of total sales, while fleet sales were 24 percent.
       
      The Ram Truck brand posted a 27 percent sales gain in September compared with the same month a year ago as pickup truck sales increased 29 percent year over year. Both the Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger turned in double-digit percentage increases in September while the Jeep® Grand Cherokee – the most awarded SUV ever – posted an 18 percent sales gain.
       
      Sales of the all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica minivan increased 23 percent in September, versus sales in the previous month of August. Sales of the all-new 2017 Fiat 124 Spider, the latest addition to the FIAT brand product lineup, were up 7 percent in September, compared with the previous month of August.
       
      Ram Truck Brand
      Ram Truck brand sales, which include the Ram pickup, Ram ProMaster and Ram ProMaster City, were up 27 percent in September versus the same month a year ago. The brand’s increase was driven by the strong 29 percent increase in Ram pickup truck sales. The Ram 1500 Rebel was named “Best Pickup Truck” at the 2016 Ruedas ESPN Awards at last month’s Miami International Auto Show. For 2017, Ram will introduce a new special-edition Night package for the 1500 model that gives truck enthusiasts straight-from-the-factory customized looks. In addition, Ram ProMaster sales are up 17 percent year over year. Ram Truck brand sales are up 11 percent calendar year to date, compared with the same nine months in 2015.
       
      Jeep Brand
      Jeep brand sales were down 3 percent in September compared with the same month a year ago. The Jeep Grand Cherokee – the vehicle that has long defined what a premium SUV should be – posted an 18 percent sales gain in September, compared with the same month in 2015. In addition, Jeep Patriot sales were up a strong 33 percent versus September a year ago. Jeep brand sales are up 12 percent calendar year to date, compared with the first three quarters of 2015.
       
      Dodge Brand
      Dodge brand sales were down 6 percent in September compared with the same month a year ago. But, the Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger each posted year-over-year sales gains in September. Charger sales were up 35 percent, while the Challenger turned in a 19 percent sales gain in the month. In addition, the Dodge Journey crossover recorded a 6 percent year-over-year increase. Dodge brand sales are up 2 percent calendar year to date compared with the first nine months in 2015.
        
      Chrysler Brand
      Chrysler brand sales were down 27 percent in September versus the same month in 2015. The all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica minivan posted 9,172 units in sales in September, up 23 percent compared with the previous month of August. Launched in April this year, the Pacifica just earned a rating of Top Safety Pick+ for 2016 from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS). The Pacifica achieved a “good” rating – the highest possible score – in each of five tests used by IIHS to evaluate crashworthiness. The Pacifica also earned the 2016 “Vehicle of the Year” and “Best Minivan” awards at the Ruedas ESPN Awards presented in September as part of the Miami International Auto Show.
       
      FIAT Brand
      FIAT brand sales, which include the Fiat 500, Fiat 500L, Fiat 500X and Fiat 124 Spider, were down 30 percent in September. In its third month on sale, the all-new 2017 Fiat 124 Spider logged 490 units in sales in September, up 7 percent versus the previous month of August. The Spider earned a “Best Convertible” award last month in the 2016 Ruedas ESPN Awards at the Miami International Auto Show.
      FCA US LLC Sales Summary September 2016
        Reflects New Methodology*
                                 Month Sales
      Vol %
      CYTD Sales
      Vol %
        Model
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Change
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Change
        Compass
      6,482
      7,701
      -16%
      72,916
      48,192
      51%
        Patriot
      12,316
      9,280
      33%
      96,039
      89,666
      7%
        Wrangler
      14,255
      17,486
      -18%
      148,627
      157,255
      -5%
        Cherokee
      17,995
      20,484
      -12%
      158,346
      160,341
      -1%
        Grand Cherokee
      18,507
      15,715
      18%
      153,926
      141,679
      9%
        Renegade
      6,776
      7,774
      -13%
      77,252
      36,513
      112%
        JEEP BRAND
      76,331
      78,440
      -3%
      707,106
      633,646
      12%
        200
      3,185
      9,944
      -68%
      48,959
      138,536
      -65%
        300
      5,459
      6,606
      -17%
      44,040
      39,810
      11%
        Town & Country
      981
      9,249
      -89%
      57,926
      62,085
      -7%
        Pacifica
      9,172
      0
      New
      35,572
      0
      New
        CHRYSLER BRAND
      18,797
      25,799
      -27%
      186,497
      240,431
      -22%
        Dart
      2,597
      7,096
      -63%
      37,267
      68,320
      -45%
        Avenger
      2
      38
      -95%
      44
      1,257
      -96%
        Charger
      10,056
      7,466
      35%
      72,270
      72,583
      0%
        Challenger
      5,698
      4,771
      19%
      51,141
      52,228
      -2%
        Viper
      38
      50
      -24%
      447
      521
      -14%
        Journey
      12,091
      11,442
      6%
      77,946
      82,035
      -5%
        Caravan
      8,179
      9,941
      -18%
      102,732
      65,383
      57%
        Durango
      4,274
      4,703
      -9%
      53,093
      46,119
      15%
        DODGE  BRAND
      42,935
      45,507
      -6%
      394,940
      388,446
      2%
        Ram P/U
      47,792
      37,004
      29%
      361,086
      333,537
      8%
        Cargo Van
      0
      9
      -100%
      21
      2,146
      -99%
        ProMaster Van
      3,218
      2,762
      17%
      26,544
      19,225
      38%
        ProMaster City
      856
      920
      -7%
      12,649
      5,369
      136%
        RAM BRAND
      51,866
      40,695
      27%
      400,300
      360,277
      11%
        Giulia
      7
      0
      New
      7
      0
      New
        Alfa 4C 
      34
      56
      -39%
      411
      511
      -20%
        ALFA BRAND
      41
      56
      -27%
      418
      511
      -18%
        500
      1,481
      1,981
      -25%
      11,603
      20,089
      -42%
        500L
      103
      332
      -69%
      2,801
      6,754
      -59%
        500X
      839
      1,856
      -55%
      9,264
      4,170
      122%
        Spider
      490
      0
      New
      1,431
      0
      New
        FIAT BRAND
      2,913
      4,169
      -30%
      25,099
      31,013
      -19%
        TOTAL FCA US LLC
      192,883
      194,666
      -1%
      1,714,360
      1,654,324
      4%
                            Total Car & MPV
      47,482
      57,530
      -17%
      466,651
      528,077
      -12%
            Total UV's
      93,535
      96,441
      -3%
      847,409
      765,970
      11%
            Total Truck & LCV
      51,866
      40,695
      27%
      400,300
      360,277
      11%
                     
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