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    Rumorpile: Ford Could Cut C-Max, Fiesta, & Taurus

      Ford's passenger lineup could be losing some models

    General Motors isn't the only one considering putting vehicles on the chopping block. The Detroit News has learned from three sources that Ford is considering ending production on three models for the U.S. - the Fiesta, C-Max Hybrid, and Taurus. Sources say the Taurus would be first to go in late 2018. The Fiesta would follow suit either in late 2018 or 2019. The C-Max would be the last model to end production in early 2019.

    Ford said they would make an announcement concerning the C-Max at a later date. The company declined to comment on the other vehicles.

    The Taurus has been long rumored to be cut from Ford's lineup due to poor sales. This was further bolstered by the company unveiling a new Taurus for China, but not for the U.S. back in 2016.

    Rumors about the Fiesta leaving the U.S. lineup began last year when CarScoops learned from a source that the next-generation Fiesta would not come to the U.S. due to there not being "enough demand to justify the costs." Earlier this week, Romanian site 0-100 spoke with Fiesta program manager Robert Stiller who said this,

    "The previous model was a global Ford product, and with the new generation we are targeting only Europe, the Middle East and Africa,” said Stiller.

    “In North America, especially in the US, China and Latin America, the demand for such cars is declining, and we are reacting accordingly.”

    Source: Detroit News, CarScoops0-100.ro

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    The civilian Taurus has been invisible for a while now, I could see the PI sales going to the Explorer and F150..or they do a Crown Vic and keep it as a police only package for the next decade or two...

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    Taurus and C-Max can go with no loss of business really.  They probably make very little money on them and they can do Hybrids if Ecosport and Escape to replace. C-Max and the Fusion is the Taurus replacement already.  Plus they have Lincoln if you want something nicer or bigger than a Fusion.

    Getting rid of Fiesta gives them nothing entry level, and would get them down to just Focus, Fusion and Mustang.  3 cars for a huge brand isn't much.  They probably don't make much money on the Fiesta but if it built for Europe anyway, I could see keeping it here.

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    All three are popular around these parts but less so in the last couple years. Fiesta makes sense to ditch because What ford should really do is phase current focus base and low end models into price leader and fleet type cars that would represent more value on the low end market than the fiesta. Think 'Focus Limited'. Then bring out a new better focus and charge more. Taurus has had its run. They have done so well with the fusion and never made the Taurus a good car dynamically anyways. Maybe the next fusion and focus can both increase in passenger room a bit.   Edge can always increase production. Next explorer better bang it up. Lincoln sedans can gain some sales too. 

     

    Not sure who would miss the c max. Dedicated hybrids are old news. Fords hybrids are not good. Transit connect is a far better people and package mover. 

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    Is going to? This is old news..... C max was dead before the Focus moved, the Tuari is losing the police version, and I thought is was already known about the Festiva (I mean Fiesta ...sales have been down a while.....

    Then again I'm like down the street from Dearborn......

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    8 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Taurus and C-Max can go with no loss of business really.  They probably make very little money on them and they can do Hybrids if Ecosport and Escape to replace. C-Max and the Fusion is the Taurus replacement already.  Plus they have Lincoln if you want something nicer or bigger than a Fusion.

    Getting rid of Fiesta gives them nothing entry level, and would get them down to just Focus, Fusion and Mustang.  3 cars for a huge brand isn't much.  They probably don't make much money on the Fiesta but if it built for Europe anyway, I could see keeping it here.

    As I have mentioned before, the "Focus" is to start the new entry level stuff at 30k in the next couple of years....basic is going the way of the dodo.....

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    I guess the strategy is to leave the entry level to the Koreans for now..of course,  it's all moot once autonomous cars and ride sharing/non-ownership strategies like Uber/etc are fully realized.. sooner than one may think, I suspect. 

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    19 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Sooner than 75 years from now? ;)

    15-20 years at most if various companies have their way... driving as we know it is doomed...the autonomous, electric transportation pod future is inevitable..not what I'm interested in, but it's going to happen...probably in large cities only at first, but it will spread.   And there is a whole younger generation that has no interest in driving or in cars.  People that like cars and driving are going to be a small minority in the future. 

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    Once autonomous cars happen, ride sharing and car sharing will soon follow.  From a liberty standpoint, this is not good at all.

    Do millennials and Gen Z care about anything that cannot be used by a smartphone (or themselves)?

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    4 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

    Once autonomous cars happen, ride sharing and car sharing will soon follow.  From a liberty standpoint, this is not good at all.

    Do millennials and Gen Z care about anything that cannot be used by a smartphone (or themselves)?

    Most of them are too apathetic and zombified to care...  

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    3 minutes ago, Stew said:

    Lame ducks.  rom what I hav seen the police business is pretty well split between the Explorer and Charger right now.  I rarely see a Taurus Interceptor. 

    Around the Cleveland area I've seen a mix of Tauruses, Explorers, Chargers, Caprices and quite a few old CVs still in use.  My little suburb has a small fleet of Caprices and Explorers. 

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    Just now, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Around the Cleveland area I've seen a mix of Tauruses, Explorers, Chargers, Caprices and quite a few old CVs still in use.

    We do have a few Caprices, both local and State.  I like them haha.  Would mind a used detectives one in a few years. 

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    26 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

    Once autonomous cars happen, ride sharing and car sharing will soon follow.  From a liberty standpoint, this is not good at all.

    Do millennials and Gen Z care about anything that cannot be used by a smartphone (or themselves)?

    They have become introverts even if they do not know it and have given up freedom for a gilded cage called the SmartPhone and Social Media.

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    10 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Around the Cleveland area I've seen a mix of Tauruses, Explorers, Chargers, Caprices and quite a few old CVs still in use.

    Same in the Montreal region.  (we never had the Zeta Caprice...duh...USA only)

    The B-Body Caprice is looong gone, the CV is getting sparse, very rare to see one but they are still present. The both FWD Impala models are also quite sparse.

    Explorers are present, but not as many as I see on youtube vids with American city police car chases...and what I find cool with those is the unmarked pick-up trucks and Explorers and even mini-vans performing pit maneuvers with unexpected surprise attacks)

    Tauruses seem to be lost in favor to Chargers. I thought the Taurus would take over the Charger when the Charger took over the CV, but it now seems that the Charger is re-gaining our Police force confidence.

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    I remember in Phoenix they were replacing CVs with Tahoes over the last 5 years or so.  One of the more oddball unmarked police cars I've seen in Phoenix is a black SWB 2010-ish Escalade..seen it in action a few times, rushing somewhere w/ hidden lights flashing and with cars pulled over. 

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    47 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    15-20 years at most if various companies have their way... driving as we know it is doomed...the autonomous, electric transportation pod future is inevitable..not what I'm interested in, but it's going to happen...probably in large cities only at first, but it will spread.   And there is a whole younger generation that has no interest in driving or in cars.  People that like cars and driving are going to be a small minority in the future. 

    At the risk of repeating myself; we've had EVs built by mass-production OEMs going back 20 years and now nearly every manufacturer has or is in deep development of an EV(s). While the hype and topicality of EVs is nearly neck & neck with political discussion, EVs have only reached 6% of the market. And that's just a different 'dirty buzzy bit' under the hood of an otherwise  completely normal driving experience.

    Autonomous cars face an entire wall of tangible consumer perception and legal & hard/software issues far greater than EVs ever did.

    EVs aren't even mainstream by the numbers after 20 years. Fully autonomous cars will take AT LEAST that long to reach half that penetration. For A-cars to reach a meaningful, tangible market presence, say 20%, it'll take 40 years. For them to be a majority it might take twice that. NEVER going to see happen in 15 years.

     

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    Oh...we are getting black and whites too...

    The white paint job Provincial cop car now goes to black and white.

    The Olive Green remains as a stripe for sentimental reasons

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    2 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    At the risk of repeating myself; we've had mass-production electric cars going back 20 years and now nearly every manufacturer has or is in deep development of an EV(s).  

     

    Who was mass producing electric cars 20 years ago?  In what reality?   I know there were a few electric Rangers and such for municipalities, but I wouldn't call those 'mass produced'.. 

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