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    Rumorpile: No V6 Mustang For 2018

    Good-bye Mustang V6

    The Mustang is expected to get a refresh in 2018 and there is a possibility that the V6 engine will be dropped. 

    This information comes to us from the Mustang6G.com's forums where a dealership employee posted the order guide for the 2018 Mustang. The guide revealed that the V6 engine order code was marked as “invalid.” Dropping the V6 would make the 2.3L EcoBoost the new base engine, which is close in terms of horsepower to the V6 (310 vs. 300). 

    The order guide also reveals that the 2018 Mustang will get a 10-speed automatic and a set of MagneRide adaptive dampers as options.

    Source: Mustang6G.com


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    Hate to see the V6 go, but honestly, why should Ford spend a lot of time and capital getting another 30hp out of it, while offering it as a base engine that generates little ROI, when they can easily get another 50hp plus out of the next gen I4 GTDI.

    They could also offer several tunes of GTDI, in front of that 10 speed.  And I also love how Ford will offer chassis choices through staged performance pack options.  Very nice.  Not one size fits all, after all.  Some automakers don’t get that.

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    40 minutes ago, Wings4Life said:

    Hate to see the V6 go, but honestly, why should Ford spend a lot of time and capital getting another 30hp out of it, while offering it as a base engine that generates little ROI, when they can easily get another 50hp plus out of the next gen I4 GTDI.

     

    They could also offer several tunes of GTDI, in front of that 10 speed.  And I also love how Ford will offer chassis choices through staged performance pack options.  Very nice.  Not one size fits all, after all.  Some automakers don’t get that.

     

    Ford does a much better job at providing buyers options on the Mustang than Dodge does with the Challenger or Chevrolet does with the Camaro.

    That is one thing I like about the modern Ford motor company....lots of ways to set up a Fiesta, Focus or Fusion as well!

    Compared with the comparable products from Toyota such as the 86 and the Celica, which have virtually nothing you can change on them to make them suit your needs....or the God awful Nissan line up....or Kia...or Hyundai...

    20 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Makes sense, I wonder if the Mustang will ever get a Hybrid or EV version?

    Doubtful, it is out of character for the car.

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    A Mustang hybrid?

     

    Nope. Never. They can make an EV if they want. But the Mustang is really another car that is part of a dying breed. Musclecars as they used to be are on the verge of extinction, and true sports cars are also feeling it.

     

    I think what we are going to see is model/nameplate consolidation. There's just too many models in some cases for many automakers. If they make mass-market EV's, which usually require their own, specific chassis to be great, they will have to consider killing off whatever that fits the same bill but drinks gas.

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    If Ecoboost is so great as Ford says, why is there no Ecoboost V6 in the Mustang?  They could do a 300 hp Ecoboost four, a 400 hp Ecoboost six, and a 500+ hp Ecoboost V8.  There is really no need for a naturally aspirated engine anymore.

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    I think Ford probably really does want to have the 2.7 in the Mustang, but probably customer research is telling them that the American pony car buyer expects a V8 as the upgrade option.

     

    I don't know how Ford managed otherwise in their trucks, but they've converted 60% of their truck buyers to EB. 

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    I'm wondering if the next-gen Mustang will be EB only, atleast anything not directly a variant of Ford Performance.

    I could see the 3.0TT be a probably replacement of the Coyote. And you know what, apart from sound, it might be a better engine for a lighter Mustang (hoping D6 brings lighter weight).

    But then will the Mustang then go through the endless march of making products larger or more upmarket every generation?

    I guess that is not a hypothetical. The 2.3 being offered was a experiment to see whether people would forgo a V6 and pary more for it to get the unlocks for option packages. And on paper, it compares to, rather as if by design, the German coupes which all over turbo 4's standard. No other coupes are viable besides established members like the Miata or crosstown rivals from GM or Mopar. 

    And the Mustang being a world car meant the EcoBoost was going into the Mustang no matter what.

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    Well CAFE will force the Coyote V8 out, and the GT or whatever they call it will have to have an eco boost 6.   But Ford came up with Ecoboost at least 6 years ago and still no Ecoboost V8.  Couldn't they pair up a couple 2.3 ecoboosts and make a 4.6 liter ecoboost V8 with 550 hp for the Mustang?  But it could just be a price point thing too, the desire for Mustangs that cost above $45,000 could be so tiny that an ecoboost V8 would be too expensive and not sell.  But consider that 2.3 ecoboost 4 makes the same horsepower as a 2010 V8 Mustang, so they don't really need the V8 to deliver the expected performance of a $30-40k sports car.

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    On 11/23/2016 at 8:50 PM, smk4565 said:

    Well CAFE will force the Coyote V8 out, and the GT or whatever they call it will have to have an eco boost 6.   But Ford came up with Ecoboost at least 6 years ago and still no Ecoboost V8.  Couldn't they pair up a couple 2.3 ecoboosts and make a 4.6 liter ecoboost V8 with 550 hp for the Mustang?  But it could just be a price point thing too, the desire for Mustangs that cost above $45,000 could be so tiny that an ecoboost V8 would be too expensive and not sell.  But consider that 2.3 ecoboost 4 makes the same horsepower as a 2010 V8 Mustang, so they don't really need the V8 to deliver the expected performance of a $30-40k sports car.

    There is a huge part of the Mustang buyers pool that demands a V8, this will be one of the last cars offered with a V8 IMHO.

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    On ‎11‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 5:10 PM, smk4565 said:

    If Ecoboost is so great as Ford says, why is there no Ecoboost V6 in the Mustang?  They could do a 300 hp Ecoboost four, a 400 hp Ecoboost six, and a 500+ hp Ecoboost V8.  There is really no need for a naturally aspirated engine anymore.

    They put an ecoboost in their bread and butter F150. If that doesn't say they are confident, nothing else will.

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    On 11/23/2016 at 5:50 PM, smk4565 said:

    Well CAFE will force the Coyote V8 out, and the GT or whatever they call it will have to have an eco boost 6.   But Ford came up with Ecoboost at least 6 years ago and still no Ecoboost V8.  Couldn't they pair up a couple 2.3 ecoboosts and make a 4.6 liter ecoboost V8 with 550 hp for the Mustang?  But it could just be a price point thing too, the desire for Mustangs that cost above $45,000 could be so tiny that an ecoboost V8 would be too expensive and not sell.  But consider that 2.3 ecoboost 4 makes the same horsepower as a 2010 V8 Mustang, so they don't really need the V8 to deliver the expected performance of a $30-40k sports car.

    The EPA CAFE will be cooled under the Trump Administration

    http://www.allpar.com/news/2016/11/hemi-reprieve-35117 

     

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    2 hours ago, Belair said:

    The EPA CAFE will be cooled under the Trump Administration

    http://www.allpar.com/news/2016/11/hemi-reprieve-35117 

     

    Perhaps for 4 years, but I wouldn't bank on regulations severely dropping because what if they don't.  You still have to plan for what is on the table now.

    How many countries is the Mustang sold in?  I am pretty sure they sell it outside of the USA, and regulations exist there.  There are 4 or 5 European countries thinking of banning gasoline powered cars after 2025, and Europe is Ford's 2nd biggest market.

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    10 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Perhaps for 4 years, but I wouldn't bank on regulations severely dropping because what if they don't.  You still have to plan for what is on the table now.

    How many countries is the Mustang sold in?  I am pretty sure they sell it outside of the USA, and regulations exist there.  There are 4 or 5 European countries thinking of banning gasoline powered cars after 2025, and Europe is Ford's 2nd biggest market.

    As I posted here about the new Europe EV charging system, I think if they want the Mustang to live on and grow, they need an EV model more than a Turbo V8.

    More and more countries in the major markets are pushing for the cleaner EV solution and no matter what Trump trys here, the cat is out of the bag in regards to EV's and what they can do, so like it or not, I have little faith that the EPA will get reduced or closed down. This is not going to go away or stop others from pushing the electric agenda.

    Plus auto's like the Nio EP9 are going to force people to rethink the Mustang and Camaro.

    With a proper range and power, I could see the pony cars going this route.

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    59 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    There are 4 or 5 European countries thinking of banning gasoline powered cars after 2025

    I haven't really looked into this but are they talking a 100% ban on anything that uses gasoline or just cars that are 100% gasoline powered and hybrid systems are okay?

    59 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    There are 4 or 5 European countries thinking of banning gasoline powered cars after 2025

    I haven't really looked into this but are they talking a 100% ban on anything that uses gasoline or just cars that are 100% gasoline powered and hybrid systems are okay?

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    11 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I haven't really looked into this but are they talking a 100% ban on anything that uses gasoline or just cars that are 100% gasoline powered and hybrid systems are okay?

    I haven't really looked into this but are they talking a 100% ban on anything that uses gasoline or just cars that are 100% gasoline powered and hybrid systems are okay?

    Existing auto's on the road would be allowed so you are not looking at a pure ban on using petro. With that said 5 European countries lead by Germany is looking at 2030 where ALL AUTO's would have to be EV, Petro would be banned in new auto's unless it could be a hybrid certified as PEV Zero. Example is a Chevy Volt is a PEV Zero auto.

    So yes, we are looking at a future of auto's being EV or PEV Zero Hybrid.

    That is the discussion as of right now and of course everything is up for debate since nothing is in firm written form and signed off yet.

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    21 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Existing auto's on the road would be allowed so you are not looking at a pure ban on using petro. With that said 5 European countries lead by Germany is looking at 2030 where ALL AUTO's would have to be EV, Petro would be banned in new auto's unless it could be a hybrid certified as PEV Zero. Example is a Chevy Volt is a PEV Zero auto.

    So yes, we are looking at a future of auto's being EV or PEV Zero Hybrid.

    That is the discussion as of right now and of course everything is up for debate since nothing is in firm written form and signed off yet.

    Brexit will play into this, but again, I think some of the political leadership and initiative will come in the form of cities.  You would not think so looking at them, but Paris has a population density twice that of NYC. Cars create more of a problem in cities largely built before the automobile in Europe than they do in the US.

    Also, the younger generation has little sympathy for repair bills and complexity, and electric cars will be inherently more simple to maintain.  Once a charger network is in place, convenience will bring in electric cars, just like the convenience of using ones own automobile killed off passenger trains in the USA.

    Electric is inevitable, once people get over that idea, things will be a lot smoother.

    The other thing to consider is that even if the EPA is cut by Trump, California is the tail wagging the dog in terms of emissions regulations, and given their love of the automobile and highway usage, those regs are not going away any time soon.

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