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    2022 First BEV, All BEV by 2030 as Lincoln Celebrates it 100th Anniversary in 2022

      Lincoln first fully electric vehicle will debut in 2022 as Lincoln moves to be a full battery electric portfolio by 2030. Effortless, personalized luxury experience is the Lincoln way as part of the Ford+ plan 

     

    Mid-decade Lincoln expects half of all global production to be zero-emission vehicles with the goal to be 100%BEV globally by 2030. This is part of Ford Motor Companies plan to invest $30 billion in electrification by 2025. gm just upped their investment to $35 billion, time for Ford to up theirs?

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    Per Joy Falotico, President of Lincoln, "Electrification will take Quiet Flight to a new level with the smooth, exhilarating take-off feel and serene quietness our clients expect from a Lincoln." 

    The company will move forward with all-new RWD and AWD battery electric flexible architecture that will enable Lincoln to deliver four new distinct BEVs. The first electric Lincoln will join the existing plug-in hybrid Aviator and Corsair SUVs in 2022 and is the start to be an all-electric brand by 2030.

    To quote the Lincoln president, "Our clients deserve the very best from Lincoln. Our world-class vehicles, effortless services and advanced connected technology will allow us to create an always-on relationship with them and help transform the Lincoln brand for the future." The Lincoln Way app will be one way they will deliver an enhanced suite of connected services that will become the norm of the electrified future.

    Quiet Flight DNA is the brand's evolving signature design and drive experience with maximized luxury comfort for all. Spacious interiors that create the ultimate expression of Lincoln sanctuary, a rejuvenating space with clever storage solutions, minimalistic panels, expansive panoramic vista roof to enhance the natural light in an airy open feel.

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    Lincoln is proud to off their coast-to-coast display that offers a sweeping view of the horizon, Lincoln's new digital design language. CONSTELLATION includes exclusive themes showcasing the night sky allowing clients to choose the theme that best reflects their current mood.

    The Lincoln Enhanced Platform will feature over-the-air software updates quarterly keeping your navigation system on the cutting edge and in sync with your Apple or Android device via the SYNC 4-enabled system. Lincoln offers the Lincoln ActiveGlide for hands-free highway driving using advanced camera, radar and driver monitoring technologies.

    “The space that surrounds you has an immense effect on your overall mood,” said Kemal Curic, design director, Lincoln. “Crafting a space that goes beyond the traditional – a serene sanctuary that elevates the senses and impacts a client’s mood every single day – reveals that as designers, we contribute so much more to the overall experience than just creating vehicles that look good.”

    Highest sales satisfaction among luxury brands was recently bestowed on Lincoln by J.D. Power and Associates. The dealer network is key to delivering an effortless, connected experience for our Lincoln Clients. Today one third of Lincoln purchases are completed oinline through the Lincoln remote sales platform. Lincoln is continuing to integrate a complete digital experience online while backing it up with their global dealerships providing the ultimate in client services.

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    “Technology allows us to enhance the traditional transaction and make the ownership experience for our clients as convenient and effortless as possible,” said Michael Sprague, North America director, Lincoln. “Meeting clients on their terms is important today, and will be even more so in a digital, connected future.”

    In North America, a focus on the top 130 luxury markets, Lincoln is growing their Lincoln-exclusive Vitrine dealerships. Simplifying the buying process, this experience moves away from the traditional transaction space to a modern experience centered around the client.

    To date, 28 all-new Vitrin facilities, including Lincolns first boutique established in Arizona have opened across the country with another 50 in process.

    Look for an upcoming reveal of the first of many Lincoln BEVs.

    Lincoln Accelerates Brand Transformation; Plans to Deliver a Full Portfolio of Connected and Electrified Vehicles by 2030 | Lincoln Media Center

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    To quote the Lincoln president, "Our clients deserve the very best from Lincoln. Our world-class vehicles, effortless services and advanced connected technology will allow us to create an always-on relationship with them and help transform the Lincoln brand for the future." 

    Laughable that they think Lincoln builds "world class vehicles" 

    It makes sense though to run Lincoln all EV, 9 years is still fairly far away and they are a low volume brand and not really competitive now, so might as well go a different direction.  Plus their model line is small, won't be hard to build 3 electric SUVs, and maybe 1 sedan but Ford seems not interested in sedans.  It isn't like they have to make a model line as diverse as Ford's all EV which would take much longer.  Plus I think by 2030, EV will be standard expectation in the luxury segment.

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    3 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    To quote the Lincoln president, "Our clients deserve the very best from Lincoln. Our world-class vehicles, effortless services and advanced connected technology will allow us to create an always-on relationship with them and help transform the Lincoln brand for the future." 

    Laughable that they think Lincoln builds "world class vehicles" 

    It makes sense though to run Lincoln all EV, 9 years is still fairly far away and they are a low volume brand and not really competitive now, so might as well go a different direction.  Plus their model line is small, won't be hard to build 3 electric SUVs, and maybe 1 sedan but Ford seems not interested in sedans.  It isn't like they have to make a model line as diverse as Ford's all EV which would take much longer.  Plus I think by 2030, EV will be standard expectation in the luxury segment.

    Why is it laughable? If you believe in the product, you believe that those around you want the same quality of world class product, that is all it takes to start a move that way. No one would hire a president that only believes they build mediocre products.

    While you believe that MB builds the best, plenty of people think otherwise and you know I see MB as just another competitor to GM from Chevrolet to Cadillac. MB is an entry level to mid to luxury level auto maker, They are the Toyota of German auto's on par with some models but better than VW, equal to BMW which is also another Chevrolet to Cadillac auto builder under a single name plate but with other problem step siblings. 

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    13 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Laughable that they think Lincoln builds "world class vehicles" 

    What's laughable is expecting you to talk anything but pure $h! about yet another domestic. 

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    On 6/21/2021 at 6:09 PM, smk4565 said:

    To quote the Lincoln president, "Our clients deserve the very best from Lincoln. Our world-class vehicles, effortless services and advanced connected technology will allow us to create an always-on relationship with them and help transform the Lincoln brand for the future." 

    Laughable that they think Lincoln builds "world class vehicles" 

    It makes sense though to run Lincoln all EV, 9 years is still fairly far away and they are a low volume brand and not really competitive now, so might as well go a different direction.  Plus their model line is small, won't be hard to build 3 electric SUVs, and maybe 1 sedan but Ford seems not interested in sedans.  It isn't like they have to make a model line as diverse as Ford's all EV which would take much longer.  Plus I think by 2030, EV will be standard expectation in the luxury segment.

    Mercedes-Benz is VERY LAUGHABLE, they only plan to have 6, SIX BEV on the global market by 2025 compared to 30 by GM, 8 by Ford, 100 by Stellantis, hell will just copy and past from the Tesla thread. Even BMW will have more BEVs than Mercedes-Benz according to their press releases and various news sources talking to them. Benz will have maybe 3 models by 2025 in the US.

    According to the current released numbers, here is what each auto maker says they will have on the global market in BEVs by 2025 to 2030:

    • Honda / Acura - Using GM Ultium batteries and powertrain - 2 in 2024, 8 by 2030
    • BMW / Mini / Rolls Royce - 12 models by 2025, full lineup electric for all brands by 2030
    • Ford / Lincoln - 8 models by 2025, all electric by 2035
    • gm - Chevrolet/GMC/Buick/Cadillac - 30 models by 2025, world wide fully electric on all brands by 2035
    • Volkswagen - 50 models by 2025, world wide fully electric by 2030
    • Audi - 5 models by 2025, pure electric by 2035
    • Bentley - 8 models by 2025, pure bev only by 2030
    • Nissan - 12 models by 2025, electric only by 2035
    • Toyota - 6 models by 2025, others as demand increases
    • Subaru - 6 models by 2025, full hybrid in all product lines by 2035, possible all electric by 2050
    • Hyundai/Kia/Genesis - 23 models by 2025
    • Volvo - 8 models by 2025, all electric by 2030
    • Mazda - 3 models by 2025, all electric by 2050
    • Daimler/Mercedes-Benz/Smart - 6 models by 2025, electric only by 2040
    • Mitsubishi - 6 models by 2025, all hybrid by 2025, pure electric by 2050
    • Stellantis - 100 models by 2025, all electric by 2030
    • Maserati - 6 models by 2025, all electric by by 2030
    • Jaguar Land Rover - 12 models by 2025, electric only by 2035
    • Tesla - 6 models by 2025 not including commercial products. Company pure EV already
    • Rivian - 3 by 2025, future products undefined at this time
    • Lordstown - 1 model by 2022, undefined for the future, latest legal problems could imply the company might close
    • Lucid - 2 models by 2022, 5 by 2025, undefined past 2025 at this time
    • Bollinger - 1 model in 2022, 3 by 2025, undefined past 2025
    • Geely - New EV division of the parent company, to use their Sea EV Platform to produce 2 models by 2022, 6 models by 2025 with global sales.
    • 100 pure electric start ups in China, what if any actually make it out of the country, but many choices across Asia.
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    20 hours ago, David said:

    Why is it laughable? If you believe in the product, you believe that those around you want the same quality of world class product, that is all it takes to start a move that way. No one would hire a president that only believes they build mediocre products.

    While you believe that MB builds the best, plenty of people think otherwise and you know I see MB as just another competitor to GM from Chevrolet to Cadillac. MB is an entry level to mid to luxury level auto maker, They are the Toyota of German auto's on par with some models but better than VW, equal to BMW which is also another Chevrolet to Cadillac auto builder under a single name plate but with other problem step siblings. 

    If you have to say "we build world class product" you are admitting you don't and trying to convince people otherwise.  The Corsair is a bottom feeder in it's segment just as the Escape is in its segment, the Nautilus is junk, the Aviator is mid-pack only because the Infiniti, Cadillac and Acura offerings in that segment are worse, and the Navigator lags behind the Germans and Escalade, and I suspect Lexus will get a version of the 2022 Land Cruiser which will be better too.

    The same people that think Lincoln is world class, thought the Continental was going to be a serious competitor to the luxury segment, and 4 years later the car is dead because it didn't sell, even though it cost 50% of a German car of the same size.

    11 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    Their current portfolio is extremely competitive with everything it their respective price range. They don't build race cars, they built true luxury cars. Quiet, comfortable, quality materials, pickup/drop off your vehicle for service.

    None of their portfolio is competitive with the 4 German brands, Land Rover, Genesis, or Lexus.  I would place Aviator over the MDX or XT6, but otherwise I'd put Cadillac or Acura offerings over Lincoln.

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    4 hours ago, David said:

    Mercedes-Benz is VERY LAUGHABLE, they only plan to have 6, SIX BEV on the global market by 2025 compared to 30 by GM, 8 by Ford, 100 by Stellantis, hell will just copy and past from the Tesla thread. Even BMW will have more BEVs than Mercedes-Benz according to their press releases and various news sources talking to them. Benz will have maybe 3 models by 2025 in the US.

    According to the current released numbers, here is what each auto maker says they will have on the global market in BEVs by 2025 to 2030:

    • Honda / Acura - Using GM Ultium batteries and powertrain - 2 in 2024, 8 by 2030
    • BMW / Mini / Rolls Royce - 12 models by 2025, full lineup electric for all brands by 2030
    • Ford / Lincoln - 8 models by 2025, all electric by 2035
    • gm - Chevrolet/GMC/Buick/Cadillac - 30 models by 2025, world wide fully electric on all brands by 2035
    • Volkswagen - 50 models by 2025, world wide fully electric by 2030
    • Audi - 5 models by 2025, pure electric by 2035
    • Bentley - 8 models by 2025, pure bev only by 2030
    • Nissan - 12 models by 2025, electric only by 2035
    • Toyota - 6 models by 2025, others as demand increases
    • Subaru - 6 models by 2025, full hybrid in all product lines by 2035, possible all electric by 2050
    • Hyundai/Kia/Genesis - 23 models by 2025
    • Volvo - 8 models by 2025, all electric by 2030
    • Mazda - 3 models by 2025, all electric by 2050
    • Daimler/Mercedes-Benz/Smart - 6 models by 2025, electric only by 2040
    • Mitsubishi - 6 models by 2025, all hybrid by 2025, pure electric by 2050
    • Stellantis - 100 models by 2025, all electric by 2030
    • Maserati - 6 models by 2025, all electric by by 2030
    • Jaguar Land Rover - 12 models by 2025, electric only by 2035
    • Tesla - 6 models by 2025 not including commercial products. Company pure EV already
    • Rivian - 3 by 2025, future products undefined at this time
    • Lordstown - 1 model by 2022, undefined for the future, latest legal problems could imply the company might close
    • Lucid - 2 models by 2022, 5 by 2025, undefined past 2025 at this time
    • Bollinger - 1 model in 2022, 3 by 2025, undefined past 2025
    • Geely - New EV division of the parent company, to use their Sea EV Platform to produce 2 models by 2022, 6 models by 2025 with global sales.
    • 100 pure electric start ups in China, what if any actually make it out of the country, but many choices across Asia.

    Mercedes has EQA, EQB, EQC electric SUV's either on sale now or will be in 2022 in Europe and China, which are all converts of the gas models.  EQS, EQE, EQE SUV, EQS SUV (dedicated EV platform) will be on sale by end of 2022.  So that's 7 right there. I don't know that they need more than 7 EV's when EV is still a small segment of the market, at least in the USA, maybe will be bigger in Europe or China.  And that is just in the next 18 months or so, by 2025 they'll have more than that.

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    25 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    If you have to say "we build world class product" you are admitting you don't and trying to convince people otherwise.  The Corsair is a bottom feeder in it's segment just as the Escape is in its segment, the Nautilus is junk, the Aviator is mid-pack only because the Infiniti, Cadillac and Acura offerings in that segment are worse, and the Navigator lags behind the Germans and Escalade, and I suspect Lexus will get a version of the 2022 Land Cruiser which will be better too.

    The same people that think Lincoln is world class, thought the Continental was going to be a serious competitor to the luxury segment, and 4 years later the car is dead because it didn't sell, even though it cost 50% of a German car of the same size.

    None of their portfolio is competitive with the 4 German brands, Land Rover, Genesis, or Lexus.  I would place Aviator over the MDX or XT6, but otherwise I'd put Cadillac or Acura offerings over Lincoln.

    How is that any different than MB with their Best of nothing statement? 

    If they have to say they build the best, then it clearly IS NOT based on your line of thinking above. So the plastic over priced MB products are again as I stated, a Toyota equal product and questionable if they build some real luxury products as half the family and especially the vans are NOT LUXURY!

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    15 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Mercedes has EQA, EQB, EQC electric SUV's either on sale now or will be in 2022 in Europe and China, which are all converts of the gas models.  EQS, EQE, EQE SUV, EQS SUV (dedicated EV platform) will be on sale by end of 2022.  So that's 7 right there. I don't know that they need more than 7 EV's when EV is still a small segment of the market, at least in the USA, maybe will be bigger in Europe or China.  And that is just in the next 18 months or so, by 2025 they'll have more than that.

    According to their press release, interviews, there is NO SCHEDULE for MB EVs in the US yet.

    Mercedes-Benz's US rollout schedule for EVs still not announced - Electrek

    Latest interview to quote:

    Mercedes-Benz Production Manager Jörg Burzer told Automotive News Europe last week that the new S Class — and its electric sibling, the EQS — were “absolutely crucial for the future” of Daimler. He said it was a “top priority.”

    Seems even the EQS is not really a equal size S-Class but more of a CLS class car.

    The EQS is a “sibling” to the gas-powered S-Class, but its length will more likely match the Mercedes-Benz CLS. The electric powertrain can be more tightly packaged than a gas engine. That results in a size slotting between an E-Class and S-Class. Würth said:

    Short overhangs and a long wheelbase make the car appear shorter, while the interior space is equivalent to an S-Class.

    This speaks VOLUMES about MB FAILED ability to get EVs to the US market.

    Now consider that still more Mercedes-Benz electric vehicles are in the pipeline with not-yet-announced timing. Würth said:

    Delaying the EQC’s US launch was a strategic decision to support sales in other regions of the world, where the EQC had been introduced already. This is not related to the development of the EQS.

    The next electric vehicles under the Mercedes-Benz EQ banner will be compact SUVs.

    So no real luxury EVs, just compact mid cost BEVs sometime in the future. which makes the other news reports saying 3 BEVs by 2025 questionable as they are not committing to any release schedule for the US.

    This is even more proven when they say late debute of the EQS in 2021 at dealerships. Sign up for details in the future. This pretty much says they are not committing to anything in the near future and one would have to question the near years.

    2022 EQS Sedan | Future Vehicles | Mercedes-Benz USA (mbusa.com)

    Even their detailed EQ web page for the US market does not commit to any EVs in the near term.

    Mercedes-EQ | Mercedes-Benz USA (mbusa.com)

    Even from this 2020 story, there are no updates, nothing to give any credible statement to when MB might actually start building let alone selling EVs in the US.

    Mercedes-Benz launches $1.65bn plan to expand electric vehicle battery production (thedriven.io)

    This news story even lends credibility to the fact that MB will not have BEVs till maybe 2023 in the US as 2022 is when they move into their new Battery and BEV parts buildings in Alabama.

    New $54M parts facility will boost Mercedes EV production in Alabama (madeinalabama.com)

    As such, that would imply time to setup production, run tests and get things worked out with the local work force before they can start building and shipping BEVs. 

    At best, I would expect 3 BEVs by 2025.

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    3 minutes ago, David said:

    How is that any different than MB with their Best of nothing statement? 

    If they have to say they build the best, then it clearly IS NOT based on your line of thinking above. So the plastic over priced MB products are again as I stated, a Toyota equal product and questionable if they build some real luxury products as half the family and especially the vans are NOT LUXURY!

    Because Gottlieb Daimler 125 ago had the motto "the best or nothing," and they honor that to this day.

    The G-wagon was the fastest selling vehicle in the USA in May, and at an average ATP of $174,700.  I don't see many Toyota's selling for $174k, or Lexus for that matter.  I don't see Lincoln selling Navigators at $174k, why not?  They want to be "world class" then step up to the plate.

    The vans aren't luxury, they are commercial vehicles, Mercedes markets them that way as well.   They aren't even sold though the same dealership network as their cars, nor are they even part of the same business unit as their cars.

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    47 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    If you have to say "we build world class product" you are admitting you don't and trying to convince people otherwise.

    Big talk for a fan of the “Best or Nothing” brand. 

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    BACK TO LINCOLN DISCUSSION

    Seems the Nautilus is a one and done as Ford has committed a long term deal to Oakville in Canada to build BEVs and the Nautilus built there in ICE form is to be replaced by a new BEV.

    Oakville to Build Electric Lincoln Corsair By 2026: Report - The News Wheel

    According to this story and interview with Lincoln Executives, beside multiple BEV SUVs, they will also have a BEV car based on the Lincoln Zephyr Reflection Concept.

    Lincoln’s first EV will arrive in 2022 with three more to follow | TechCrunch

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    7 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    The G-wagon was the fastest selling vehicle in the USA in May, and at an average ATP of $174,700.  I don't see many Toyota's selling for $174k, or Lexus for that matter.  I don't see Lincoln selling Navigators at $174k, why not?  They want to be "world class" then step up to the plate.

    Oh shut up with the high price=luxury nonsense. Skip the part where the G Wagon is that expensive because it’s low volume AND hand built. Skip the fact that the Navigator is routinely reviewed as being better than even the current Escalade, which has been continually handing Benz its ass in sales for years now. Skip the fact that Benz is higher priced in general (despite their lower then Cadillac ATP) because they are imports here. See where this is going yet? Just put the damn Pom poms down. 
     

    I guess, based on your logic, that a G Wagon is not stepping up to the luxury SUV game itself when there are others that cost $100K MORE. That’s why your price argument is just dumb. 
     

     

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    3 minutes ago, David said:

    According to their press release, interviews, there is NO SCHEDULE for MB EVs in the US yet.

    Mercedes-Benz's US rollout schedule for EVs still not announced - Electrek

    Latest interview to quote:

    Mercedes-Benz Production Manager Jörg Burzer told Automotive News Europe last week that the new S Class — and its electric sibling, the EQS — were “absolutely crucial for the future” of Daimler. He said it was a “top priority.”

    Seems even the EQS is not really a equal size S-Class but more of a CLS class car.

    The EQS is a “sibling” to the gas-powered S-Class, but its length will more likely match the Mercedes-Benz CLS. The electric powertrain can be more tightly packaged than a gas engine. That results in a size slotting between an E-Class and S-Class. Würth said:

    Short overhangs and a long wheelbase make the car appear shorter, while the interior space is equivalent to an S-Class.

    This speaks VOLUMES about MB FAILED ability to get EVs to the US market.

    Now consider that still more Mercedes-Benz electric vehicles are in the pipeline with not-yet-announced timing. Würth said:

    Delaying the EQC’s US launch was a strategic decision to support sales in other regions of the world, where the EQC had been introduced already. This is not related to the development of the EQS.

    The next electric vehicles under the Mercedes-Benz EQ banner will be compact SUVs.

    So no real luxury EVs, just compact mid cost BEVs sometime in the future. which makes the other news reports saying 3 BEVs by 2025 questionable as they are not committing to any release schedule for the US.

    This is even more proven when they say late debute of the EQS in 2021 at dealerships. Sign up for details in the future. This pretty much says they are not committing to anything in the near future and one would have to question the near years.

    2022 EQS Sedan | Future Vehicles | Mercedes-Benz USA (mbusa.com)

    Even their detailed EQ web page for the US market does not commit to any EVs in the near term.

    Mercedes-EQ | Mercedes-Benz USA (mbusa.com)

    Even from this 2020 story, there are no updates, nothing to give any credible statement to when MB might actually start building let alone selling EVs in the US.

    Mercedes-Benz launches $1.65bn plan to expand electric vehicle battery production (thedriven.io)

    This news story even lends credibility to the fact that MB will not have BEVs till maybe 2023 in the US as 2022 is when they move into their new Battery and BEV parts buildings in Alabama.

    New $54M parts facility will boost Mercedes EV production in Alabama (madeinalabama.com)

    As such, that would imply time to setup production, run tests and get things worked out with the local work force before they can start building and shipping BEVs. 

    At best, I would expect 3 BEVs by 2025.

    The EQS is 207 inches long, the S-class is 208, not sure that that guy is talking about.

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    There is 3 final product and 4 that are late in development that will be ready in 2022.    I hope Lincoln goes from their 4 vehicle lineup, to adding 7 EV's in the next 2 years to keep up.   And by the 2030s all the luxury brands will be mostly EV if not all EV, and the same brand that sold the most gasoline cars will sell the most EV's.  

     

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    23 minutes ago, David said:

    BACK TO LINCOLN DISCUSSION

    Seems the Nautilus is a one and done as Ford has committed a long term deal to Oakville in Canada to build BEVs and the Nautilus built there in ICE form is to be replaced by a new BEV.

    Oakville to Build Electric Lincoln Corsair By 2026: Report - The News Wheel

    According to this story and interview with Lincoln Executives, beside multiple BEV SUVs, they will also have a BEV car based on the Lincoln Zephyr Reflection Concept.

    Lincoln’s first EV will arrive in 2022 with three more to follow | TechCrunch

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    The Edge and Nautilus are both supposed to die after the 2022 model year I think, 2023 at the latest.  And there won't be a replacement for either, I guess Ford figures Escape, Bronco Sport, Maverick, Explorer, Mach-E has them pretty much covered and they don't need the Edge, thus Lincoln loses their version.  

    I assume Lincoln gets some version of the Mach-E, and later a larger electric SUV, like Aviator size.  While I like sedans (and hate this make everything a crossover trend), the Zypher won't sell, it will be Continental 2.0. 

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    The vans aren't luxury, they are commercial vehicles, Mercedes markets them that way as well.   They aren't even sold though the same dealership network as their cars

    One of the largest Mercedes (& other euro 'lux' brand) mega-dealers in my state lines a row of refrigerator-white cargo vans next to e- and s-class cars on the front line of their lot. They absolutely are sold via the same dealerships. Daimler bungled that opportunity royally, but that's old news.

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    I didnt want to respond in this now derailed thread...

    Yet again, the bullshyte arises...

    @smk4565

    The PHOQUE are you talking about?

    Mercedes Benz West-Island.   West of the Island of Montreal...

    Google maps.  Just click on the link....

    https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4848789,-73.8465411,3a,30.4y,25.29h,91.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sufnCpBfbldHYWCcHUt0b0Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en-US

     

    Mercedes Rive-Sud   South Shore borough just south of the Island of Montreal. 

    https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4833736,-73.465463,3a,47.4y,282.53h,89.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5jEcQOWJrypmtzLG49__qQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en-US

     

    Mercedes Laval.  Just to the north of the island of Montreal.   Laval is a city-suburb of Montreal on another island RIGHT ABOVE Montreal...

    https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5718446,-73.7606766,3a,15y,212.39h,90.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb4tWRSpcbsmTBz0IAq8lWA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en-US

     

    Older pic I think the one in Laval...and the one in Laval has a specific and separate area for the vans...  Centre des Fourgons . Fourgons is short for fourgonette which is French for mini-van.  Mini-van center...  But there are 2 vans in front of the MAIN entrance front and center...

    It doesnt matter...the Google car captured all 3 locations, (there are others in and around Montreal...I just dont feel like posting ALL locations...) where the Mercedes vans are sold FRONT AND CENTER at the dealership where Maybach S Class versions are sold...  The funny thing is that at the West Island location...the vans are  presented outside under an AMG banner sign...  LMFAO  🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    3 different locations on 3 different days...a google car captured and proved SMK wrong...  LMFAO  🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

     

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    8 hours ago, balthazar said:

    One of the largest Mercedes (& other euro 'lux' brand) mega-dealers in my state lines a row of refrigerator-white cargo vans next to e- and s-class cars on the front line of their lot. They absolutely are sold via the same dealerships. Daimler bungled that opportunity royally, but that's old news.

    He has tried to pass off that BS before while forgetting that folks here have eyes. I know for a fact that the largest Benz dealership had vans right next to their cars and I showed him pictures of this. He also wants to sidestep the fact that he is using those SAME VANS to tout Benz overall sales figures while dismissing those same vans because they being down the ATP of Benz. It’s just regular misguided fanboy logic, no matter how he tried to paint it. 

    @smk4565—This BS stops today. Here is a current street view shot of Mercedes Benz at Arrowhead (Peoria, AZ). Take a good long look at their inventory and then apologize for your obvious yet oft repeated mistake. 
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    9 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    While I like sedans (and hate this make everything a crossover trend), the Zypher won't sell, it will be Continental 2.0. 

    Yet you seem to think the EQS SEDAN will sell well because….

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    Outside of the Zephyr, Lincoln seems to have a good plan together and they will need to hit all the marks because it is a big gamble given their current “volume”. Now is the time to do it though because they have shown that they are finally ready to get serious again about the luxury market, with strong offerings like the new Navigator and the Aviator. 

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    11 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    None of their portfolio is competitive with the 4 German brands, Land Rover, Genesis, or Lexus.  I would place Aviator over the MDX or XT6, but otherwise I'd put Cadillac or Acura offerings over Lincoln.

    I don't think you've read a single Lincoln review, let alone sat in one. 

    10 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    The G-wagon

    You'd think a fanboy such as yourself would know it's  "G-wagen". 

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    10 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    The EQS is 207 inches long, the S-class is 208, not sure that that guy is talking about.

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    There is 3 final product and 4 that are late in development that will be ready in 2022.    I hope Lincoln goes from their 4 vehicle lineup, to adding 7 EV's in the next 2 years to keep up.   And by the 2030s all the luxury brands will be mostly EV if not all EV, and the same brand that sold the most gasoline cars will sell the most EV's.  

     

    That's an ugly slew of vehicles. Maybe they should stick with ICE. 

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    This is the Benz dealer in which my wife's G-wagen has been for two months now because their "best or nothing" technicians can't fix the vehicle.  I could go on a tirade about that elsewhere.

    Check this out, they're displaying a Silverado up front!

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    And they also have a slew of work vans and back by the service center is about ten of the vans converted to small motor homes or just vans for humans instead of cargo.

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    So here just north of me off Highway 99 is the Lynnwood Benz dealership and I see far more vans out front than cars or SUVs.

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    2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    Outside of the Zephyr, Lincoln seems to have a good plan together and they will need to hit all the marks because it is a big gamble given their current “volume”. Now is the time to do it though because they have shown that they are finally ready to get serious again about the luxury market, with strong offerings like the new Navigator and the Aviator. 

    I agree that NOW is the time for Lincoln to step it up with their BEV roll out of Luxury auto's.

    While you and everyone knows I love my SUVs and Trucks, I am honestly EXCITED that they will have the Zephyr BEV for those that still want a car. Smart to still have an option so that they do not push away potential buyers.

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    51 minutes ago, David said:

    While you and everyone knows I love my SUVs and Trucks, I am honestly EXCITED that they will have the Zephyr BEV for those that still want a car. Smart to still have an option so that they do not push away potential buyers.

    I want the Zephyr to succeed but history does not suggest it, is my concern here. Ev or not, luxury folks just won't give the domestics a second look when comes to sedans, outside of the Tesla cult. That could change and I hope it does but I just don't see it currently.

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