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    Mercedes-Benz Decides To Stop Efforts On Certifying 2017 Diesel Vehicles

      Bad news for those wanting A 2017 Mercedes-Benz Diesel

    Those hoping to purchase a 2017 diesel vehicle from Mercedes-Benz will be disappointed by this news. Reuters has learned Mercedes' parent company, Diamler has dropped plans on trying to get 2017 model year diesel vehicles certified.

    "We constantly review our portfolio offerings and make adjustments to meet immediate customer need. Combined with the increased effort to certify diesel engines in the U.S., we have put the certification process for diesel passenger cars on hold," said Mercedes-Benz USA spokesman Rob Moran.

    Diesel only accounted for 1 percent of Mercedes-Benz's total sales in the U.S. for 2016.

    This doesn't mean Mercedes is getting out of selling diesel vehicles in the U.S. Moran said the automaker is "leaving the door open to offer diesels as a potential option in our passenger cars and SUVs."

    Source: Reuters

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    I think diesel is a hard sell even though they have great torque and mpg.  My guess is they will push hybrids plus they have a 48 volt system coming in 2018 that should boost mpg 15% over the current gas engines.

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    And yet... Mazda and Chevy are coming out with diesel vehicles.  BMW is still building theirs... and if the rush on 2015 VW diesels is any indication, VW may not want to step out of the game there either if they can get their cars right.  There is a buying contingent out there that likes diesel cars. 

    I am still very much in favor of electrification, but the hybrids are still too far on the eco side of things for my taste.  If you're going to go to all the trouble of electrifying the powertrain, at least add the benefit of the large amounts of torque that electric motors provide. The Volt is the one that sort of gets it right, but even then it's technically not a hybrid.

    I'm interested in trying a CT6 PEV

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    I have a very long commute, mostly highway and I was briefly considering getting daily driver with diesel engine.  However, after carefully calculating the expenses between regular 4 cylinder and a diesel car, considering the difference in price between the regular gas and the diesel and considering higher initial price, maintenance costs it simply didn't make sense getting diesel. 

    In Europe diesel costs about as much as regular gas, so it makes sense.  Maybe it is better for somebody who needs higher torque for towing for example.

     

     

     

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    Looking at Fuelly at some of the cars that have/had diesel and 4 cylinder engines in the same cars it seems the difference on average is about 10-12 mpg.

    Considering diesel is more expensive, diesel cars to begin with are more expensive and usually require higher maintenance doesn't seem to be worth it.

    Not sure why Mazda and Chevy finally are bringing diesel here now but it seems to me it is not going to work out. 

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    4 minutes ago, ykX said:

    Looking at Fuelly at some of the cars that have/had diesel and 4 cylinder engines in the same cars it seems the difference on average is about 10-12 mpg.

    Considering diesel is more expensive, diesel cars to begin with are more expensive and usually require higher maintenance doesn't seem to be worth it.

    Not sure why Mazda and Chevy finally are bringing diesel here now but it seems to me it is not going to work out. 

    where are you getting that diesels require more maintenance? they typically run longer service intervals than gas vehicles, so while the oil change might be a little more expensive, you do it half as often.  Coolant and other fluids would be the same interval, and there are no plugs to change (not that anyone does that anymore anyway)

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    6 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    where are you getting that diesels require more maintenance? they typically run longer service intervals than gas vehicles, so while the oil change might be a little more expensive, you do it half as often.  Coolant and other fluids would be the same interval, and there are no plugs to change (not that anyone does that anymore anyway)

    VW recommends changing fuel filter every 20k miles, every 10k urea tank needs to be refilled.  None of this required on the regular gas cars.  Oil change is the same at 10k miles.

    Some other manufacturers recommend oil change more often then their gas  models.

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    5 hours ago, ykX said:

    VW recommends changing fuel filter every 20k miles, every 10k urea tank needs to be refilled.  None of this required on the regular gas cars.  Oil change is the same at 10k miles.

    Some other manufacturers recommend oil change more often then their gas  models.

    Our Jetta was the best most reliable car I ever owned before I sold it back.  I was regularly getting 58 miles to the gallon on the highway.

    I have gotten in the sixties and even into the seventies with a friend's 2016 Prius.

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    Diesel is cheaper than premium here, and in something like a BMW or Mercedes, they require premium, so diesel is not only the better fuel for MPG, but it is cheaper fuel too.  

    There is a very strong argument for diesel, it is just a hard sell to the masses.  And it was 1% of Mercedes sales, so why pay to certify them, market them, carry inventory, etc.   I think Mercedes needs to quickly get to market the 48 volt electric system and the new inline 4 and 6 engines.  That could get them near the diesel gas mileage but with their conventional engines.

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    My diesel truck didn't get EPA MPG numbers, but highway MPG certainly doesn't exceed city MPG by anything close to a 'good margin'... but perhaps DD was specifically talking about cars here.

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    9 hours ago, balthazar said:

    My diesel truck didn't get EPA MPG numbers, but highway MPG certainly doesn't exceed city MPG by anything close to a 'good margin'... but perhaps DD was specifically talking about cars here.

    I would have to agree with you, I have rarely seen the diesel trucks get above EPA MPG. I think this is mostly a car thing.

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    11 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Our Jetta was the best most reliable car I ever owned before I sold it back.  I was regularly getting 58 miles to the gallon on the highway.

    I have gotten in the sixties and even into the seventies with a friend's 2016 Prius.

    My coworker's TDI was getting also good mileage, I think over 40mpg on rural roads.  But around 100k his turbo blew up, cost him about $3k to fix it, just to return the car to VW six month later.

    Drives Honda now.

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    4 hours ago, ykX said:

    My coworker's TDI was getting also good mileage, I think over 40mpg on rural roads.  But around 100k his turbo blew up, cost him about $3k to fix it, just to return the car to VW six month later.

    Drives Honda now.

    There is a real dearth of new cars I actually like well enough to live with for 60 payments or 60,000 miles. Nothing Honda builds excites me in the least.  I would honestly rather live somewhere I could take public transit vs. driving anything (outside of the NSX) Honda builds right now.

    Pretty much feel the same about Ford, KIA, Nissan, most of Toyota, M-Benz, BMW, Hyundai....and the list goes on.

    Really the only modern TDI VW's worth owning were the 2015 with the EA 288 motor.  The earlier ones the 2009-2014 had a ton of issues...inter-cooler icing, HPFP implosions, turbos, they ran the gamut...

    4 hours ago, dfelt said:

    I would have to agree with you, I have rarely seen the diesel trucks get above EPA MPG. I think this is mostly a car thing.

    But they tow like an angry mule and sound like liquid sex when they are warming up in the morning...

     

    14 hours ago, balthazar said:

    My diesel truck didn't get EPA MPG numbers, but highway MPG certainly doesn't exceed city MPG by anything close to a 'good margin'... but perhaps DD was specifically talking about cars here.

    I think he was....did you get rid of your diesel truck?

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    1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    But they tow like an angry mule and sound like liquid sex when they are warming up in the morning...

     

    I think he was....did you get rid of your diesel truck?

    So very true for the GM trucks, Ford is better now that they have gotten them a bit more quiet, RAM is just noisy with no real tuned exhaust note.

    I doubt @balthazar would get rid of his diesel. He uses it way too much.

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    8 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    ....did you get rid of your diesel truck?

    Nope- it's only got 168K on it! Planning some love for it this summer... lil touches, nothing major.
    I assume the only diesel truck with EPA numbers is the Ram 1500- I believe trucks over what? 9000 GVW? are exempt from EPA estimates?

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    15 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Nope- it's only got 168K on it! Planning some love for it this summer... lil touches, nothing major.
    I assume the only diesel truck with EPA numbers is the Ram 1500- I believe trucks over what? 9000 GVW? are exempt from EPA estimates?

    Glad to know...I love that truck!

    7 hours ago, dfelt said:

    So very true for the GM trucks, Ford is better now that they have gotten them a bit more quiet, RAM is just noisy with no real tuned exhaust note.

    I doubt @balthazar would get rid of his diesel. He uses it way too much.

    Ohhhhhhhhh so very true on the GM thing!

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      Mr N Chandrasekaran, Chairman of Tata Sons, Tata Motors and Jaguar Land Rover Automotive plc commented: “The Reimagine strategy takes Jaguar Land Rover on a significant path of acceleration in harmony with the vision and sustainability priorities of the wider Tata Group. Together, we will help Jaguar realise its potential, reinforce Land Rover’s timeless appeal and collectively become a symbol of a truly responsible business for its customers, society and the planet.”
      Mr Bolloré concluded: “As a human-centred company, we can, and will, move much faster and with clear purpose of not just reimagining modern luxury but defining it for two distinct brands. Brands that present emotionally unique designs, pieces of art if you like, but all with connected technologies and responsible materials that collectively set new standards in ownership. We are reimagining a new modern luxury by design.”
    • By William Maley
      Yesterday, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and Groupe PSA officially merged to become Stellantis, the fourth-largest automaker in the world. But this merge has produced some consequences that need to be addressed. One of those being Peugeot's re-entry back in to the U.S.
      “We were last speaking about [Peugeot’s U.S. re-entry] a year and a half ago, before Stellantis. We can’t not take into account that in the coming days Peugeot will be part of this new world. I imagine in the coming months due to the new strategy we will have to adapt and reconsider all elements, including this one,” said Peugeot CEO Jean-Philippe Imparato to Automotive News.
      A key reason for this reconsideration not wanting overlap brands in the U.S.
      This is a polar opposite to comments made last year by Larry Dominique, CEO of PSA North America.
      Imparto's focus for Peugeot in the near future is concentrating on its core markets - Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America. There are also plans to get the brand back on track in China. As for the U.S., Imparto said it was "still on the table" down the road.
      Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required)

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    • By William Maley
      Yesterday, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and Groupe PSA officially merged to become Stellantis, the fourth-largest automaker in the world. But this merge has produced some consequences that need to be addressed. One of those being Peugeot's re-entry back in to the U.S.
      “We were last speaking about [Peugeot’s U.S. re-entry] a year and a half ago, before Stellantis. We can’t not take into account that in the coming days Peugeot will be part of this new world. I imagine in the coming months due to the new strategy we will have to adapt and reconsider all elements, including this one,” said Peugeot CEO Jean-Philippe Imparato to Automotive News.
      A key reason for this reconsideration not wanting overlap brands in the U.S.
      This is a polar opposite to comments made last year by Larry Dominique, CEO of PSA North America.
      Imparto's focus for Peugeot in the near future is concentrating on its core markets - Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America. There are also plans to get the brand back on track in China. As for the U.S., Imparto said it was "still on the table" down the road.
      Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required)
    • By William Maley
      It has been some time since we last reported on PSA Group's plan to re-enter the U.S. When we last checked in, Peugeot was chosen as the brand to be entering the U.S. by 2023 and rumors were swirling about a possible merger between PSA Group and FCA. A lot has changed since then as the two automakers begin to finalize plans for a merger, and the COVID-19 pandemic has no end in sight in the U.S. What does that mean for Peugeot's return to the U.S.?
      "My role is to grow the PSA business in North America, growing our mobility capability and preparing for the launch of Peugeot." said Larry Dominique, CEO of PSA North America to Automotive News.
      "From our standpoint, we're planning as if [the merger] doesn't exist. We're marching forward as if PSA was going to be there by themselves."
      Dominique is right now focused on the present with the top priority being building out a dealer network for both U.S. and Canada before the launch. He explained that the company is planning a two-prong approach, having franchised dealers and online retailing.
      "The future success for OEMs is the reduction of distribution costs while ensuring both retail and OEM margin sustainability. This has to be done through strong pricing power, not volume turnover," he said.
      Part of this is due to COVID-19 pandemic which has many automakers rethinking how they sell vehicles, something Dominique admits is a big challenge.
      "All my competitors are going to be focusing on digital, which means we have to step up our game and deliver an even stronger customer experience when we launch Peugeot in North America. We need to get out of an environment where the retailers are dependent upon just F&I and service to pay their bills."
      Another challenge facing Dominique, what models to sell in the U.S. The market has changed a lot since PSA Group announced its intentions to re-enter the U.S. Consumers now are focused on trucks and crossovers.
      "I don't have a full-sized truck,. But the C and D segments are what's relevant to us. The C and D segments are high volume and important to North America. That's where we're going to focus initially,"
      To us, this hints at the 3008 and 5008 crossovers being some of the first models to be available.
      Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required)

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