• Sign in to follow this  
    Followers 0

    Next-Generation Toyota Tacoma Coming to Detroit


    • Coming Soon, the Next-Generation Tacoma

    It has been quiet at Nissan and Toyota since General Motors introduced the new Chevrolet Colorado and GMC Canyon. But that appears to changing very soon at Toyota. Automotive News has learned that the company is planning to show off the next-generation Tacoma at the Detroit Auto Show next month. Bill Fay, Toyota's general manager says with the recent introduction of GM's new midsize trucks, it will spur interest and demand in the class.

    “With the new entries coming in, the market should expand,” said Fay.

    Despite being one of the oldest models in the class, the Tacoma is still a strong seller. Through November, the company moved 140,747 Tacomas, more than 66 percent of the total midsize truck marketplace.

    Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required)

    0


      Report Article
    Sign in to follow this  
    Followers 0


    User Feedback


    This is good news - competition is always good. I like how fast Toyota is reacting. Let us see how GM raises the ante.

     

    One thing GM does not have compared to Toyota is manual transmission for the 4-cylinder and V6 with 4x4.

     

    • Let us assume that the current generation Tacomas on sale are representative to that of the brand new Tacomas sold over the time period.
    • As of this moment, around the country approx. 12,400 current body style Tacomas are for sale; approx. 1,620 are manual transmissions.
    • Of that 9,000 are V6, 850 are V6 with manual.
    • 6,025 are V6 4x4 and of that 627 with manual transmissions.
    • There are only 935 4x4 in 4-cylinders, out of which 444 are MANUAL.
    • That is not a bad take rate, contrary to what GM claims only 2% will buy the WT manual. That is because dear GM, no one wants to buy the crap base be it Automatic or Manual. Manual transmission owners want gizmos also. Typical BS manufacturers throw for not producing manual transmission vehicles.
    • Also note from 2004 to 2009 top of the line 2WD V6 Tacomas did not have manual transmissions. That may skew the overall V6 numbers towards automatic. At any rate, ~13% manual take rate is nothing to sneeze about especially GM's analysis shows 2%, which I think is BS.
    2

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Looks like it's going to be a truck heavy show this year.  I think Frontier may be coming too?

     

    I know Titan is coming to Detroit. Frontier if I remember from a report I wrote beck earlier this year is still a few years out.

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    Looks like it's going to be a truck heavy show this year.  I think Frontier may be coming too?

     

    I know Titan is coming to Detroit. Frontier if I remember from a report I wrote beck earlier this year is still a few years out.

     

     

    That's it, got them mixed up

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    But does the sales numbers really support the cost of R&D to put a manual into the auto's? Seems more and more people are wanting the stronger Auto than the manual.

     

    I fear that us manual drivers are a dying breed.

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    But does the sales numbers really support the cost of R&D to put a manual into the auto's? Seems more and more people are wanting the stronger Auto than the manual.

     

    I fear that us manual drivers are a dying breed.

     

    As Drew stated, it has already been done. And the problem is equivalent to the chicken and egg. For this one the egg came first. GM is killing the manual transmission breed not the other way around.

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    This is good news - competition is always good. I like how fast Toyota is reacting. Let us see how GM raises the ante.

     

    One thing GM does not have compared to Toyota is manual transmission for the 4-cylinder and V6 with 4x4.

     

    • Let us assume that the current generation Tacomas on sale are representative to that of the brand new Tacomas sold over the time period.
    • As of this moment, around the country approx. 12,400 current body style Tacomas are for sale; approx. 1,620 are manual transmissions.
    • Of that 9,000 are V6, 850 are V6 with manual.
    • 6,025 are V6 4x4 and of that 627 with manual transmissions.
    • There are only 935 4x4 in 4-cylinders, out of which 444 are MANUAL.
    • That is not a bad take rate, contrary to what GM claims only 2% will buy the WT manual. That is because dear GM, no one wants to buy the crap base be it Automatic or Manual. Manual transmission owners want gizmos also. Typical BS manufacturers throw for not producing manual transmission vehicles.
    • Also note from 2004 to 2009 top of the line 2WD V6 Tacomas did not have manual transmissions. That may skew the overall V6 numbers towards automatic. At any rate, ~13% manual take rate is nothing to sneeze about especially GM's analysis shows 2%, which I think is BS.

     

     

    For real. When you only offer the manual transmission on base models with no options, it shouldn't be any surprise it doesn't sell. If the US market had the options of the European market, I bet the take rate for manual transmissions would increase greatly. 

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

     

    This is good news - competition is always good. I like how fast Toyota is reacting. Let us see how GM raises the ante.

     

    One thing GM does not have compared to Toyota is manual transmission for the 4-cylinder and V6 with 4x4.

     

     

    For real. When you only offer the manual transmission on base models with no options, it shouldn't be any surprise it doesn't sell. If the US market had the options of the European market, I bet the take rate for manual transmissions would increase greatly. 

     

     

    Not only that, but also in US the manufacturers encourage dealers to move the metal on the lot rather than encouraging to build and wait. And dealers want to make quick bucks so no one ends up having a manual on the lot. They encourage customers to buy automatics by claiming them to better than manual transmissions.

     

    Sure automatics are faster NOW. Mainly because they have more gears (the fact why manual transmissions were faster before when there were 3 or 4 speed autos). When manuals are now stuck in 6 gears while automatics are adding 9 or 10, that is not a surprising fact, is it? Launch control is offered and mostly pushed in automatics by the Germans.

     

    Second, fuel economy. Because automatic transmissions can cheat the flawed EPA testing methodology by quickly shifting to higher gears, unlike manual transmissions, which have to be rowed to keep in the range EPA suggests in the test. I drove the 335i with the 8 speed Auto and 6 speed manual. During the 25 miles of driving each, I came ahead in the fuel economy by tactically changing gears to the optimum limit.

     

    Third, the automobile manufacturers simply do not want to put efforts in the manual transmissions vehicles. Look at M5. The very BMW that bitches US customers do not like manual transmission for non-M models bitches that it has to develop M5 with manual transmissions for US customers; non US customers love their SMGs. And it ends up just putting manual transmission to appease US customers to make them leave it in disgust and get the SMG. Good tactical move by offering Car and Driver crappy manual to give it a hate recommendation.

     

    As we have seen in the Audi, Toyota recall fiascoes it is easy to blame the consumers. The same goes for manual transmissions.

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Well, automatics aren't just faster 0-60, automatics can now shift gears faster than any human rowing his own.  DCTs are even faster still.   If you're just doing a 0-60 run, an automatic will also shift smarter than a human... getting the shift points right each and every time now that they are computer controlled. 

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I can't imagine much sound reasoning to consider a Tacoma, what with the 45-50 million recalls over the last decade for toyota, and the dismal rot issues / buyback 'n crush program for the Tacoma specifically. Foolhardy, IMO.

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    a tenant of mine had the frame replaced on his... the truck was never right after (though I'd argue that it wasn't right before the procedure either). He traded it in on a real truck... a 2013 Silverado.

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites


    Your content will need to be approved by a moderator

    Guest
    You are commenting as a guest. If you have an account, please sign in.
    Add a comment...

    ×   You have pasted content with formatting.   Remove formatting

    ×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

    ×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

    Loading...



  • Popular Stories

  • Today's Birthdays

  • Similar Content

    • By William Maley
      It has been a long time coming. But we knew sooner or later, we would get our first glimpse at the upcoming Opel/Vauxhall Insignia (also Buick Regal and Holden Commodore) minus the camo. That day has finally arrived as the Insignia sedan and Sport Tourer have been caught uncovered. 
      The front end reminds us a lot of the current Mazda6 - a flat nose with a pentagonal grille and slim headlights. Along the side, there has been some sculpting along the lower part of the doors that add some sharpness. The back end features similar styling to the Buick LaCrosse with a similarly shaped trunklid and taillights that extend into the rear fenders. The Sport Tourer features a more distinctive character line and a steeply raked rear tailgate.
      Both models are the top-line OPC trim which means a number of sporty touches to the exterior, 20-inch wheels, large Brembo brakes, small spoiler, and dual exhaust tips.
      The second-generation Insignia is 2.1 inches longer and rides on a wheelbase that has been stretched 3.6 inches. This should help one of the key issues of the current Insignia and its brethren, a tight back seat. The new Insignia has also been lowered by 1.1 inches to give it a sportier stance.
      Motor1 reports that Opel and Vauxhall will reveal the next-generation Insignia later this month online, followed by a debut at the Geneva Motor Show in March. The Sports Tourer expected a few months later. 
      Source: Motor1.com

      View full article
    • By William Maley
      It has been a long time coming. But we knew sooner or later, we would get our first glimpse at the upcoming Opel/Vauxhall Insignia (also Buick Regal and Holden Commodore) minus the camo. That day has finally arrived as the Insignia sedan and Sport Tourer have been caught uncovered. 
      The front end reminds us a lot of the current Mazda6 - a flat nose with a pentagonal grille and slim headlights. Along the side, there has been some sculpting along the lower part of the doors that add some sharpness. The back end features similar styling to the Buick LaCrosse with a similarly shaped trunklid and taillights that extend into the rear fenders. The Sport Tourer features a more distinctive character line and a steeply raked rear tailgate.
      Both models are the top-line OPC trim which means a number of sporty touches to the exterior, 20-inch wheels, large Brembo brakes, small spoiler, and dual exhaust tips.
      The second-generation Insignia is 2.1 inches longer and rides on a wheelbase that has been stretched 3.6 inches. This should help one of the key issues of the current Insignia and its brethren, a tight back seat. The new Insignia has also been lowered by 1.1 inches to give it a sportier stance.
      Motor1 reports that Opel and Vauxhall will reveal the next-generation Insignia later this month online, followed by a debut at the Geneva Motor Show in March. The Sports Tourer expected a few months later. 
      Source: Motor1.com
    • By William Maley
      To say we were slightly disappointed to find out that the U.S.-Spec Toyota C-HR would only come with a 2.0L four-cylinder producing 144 horsepower would be an understatement. The European-spec C-HR has the choice of either a turbocharged 1.2L four or a hybrid, but neither of these powertrains will be showing up in the U.S.
      Car and Driver spoke with the C-HR's chief engineer, Hiroyuki Koba to find out why. Koba didn't say why the turbocharged 1.2L would not come to the U.S., but we're guessing Toyota didn't want to put the effort in getting this engine certified for the U.S. Also, performance numbers between the 2.0L and turbo 1.2L are similar (11 seconds for the 2.0 to hit 60 mph, 11.1 seconds for the 1.2).
      As for the hybrid, Koba said the decision comes down to the market, not engineering. At the moment, Toyota doesn't see the demand for this model in the U.S.
      Koba did admit there is a possibility for a more powerful version of the C-HR, but quickly added there aren't plans for this at the moment.
      Source: Car and Driver

      View full article
    • By William Maley
      To say we were slightly disappointed to find out that the U.S.-Spec Toyota C-HR would only come with a 2.0L four-cylinder producing 144 horsepower would be an understatement. The European-spec C-HR has the choice of either a turbocharged 1.2L four or a hybrid, but neither of these powertrains will be showing up in the U.S.
      Car and Driver spoke with the C-HR's chief engineer, Hiroyuki Koba to find out why. Koba didn't say why the turbocharged 1.2L would not come to the U.S., but we're guessing Toyota didn't want to put the effort in getting this engine certified for the U.S. Also, performance numbers between the 2.0L and turbo 1.2L are similar (11 seconds for the 2.0 to hit 60 mph, 11.1 seconds for the 1.2).
      As for the hybrid, Koba said the decision comes down to the market, not engineering. At the moment, Toyota doesn't see the demand for this model in the U.S.
      Koba did admit there is a possibility for a more powerful version of the C-HR, but quickly added there aren't plans for this at the moment.
      Source: Car and Driver
    • By William Maley
      When Ford introduced the next-generation Fiesta earlier this week, there was one model missing; the hot ST. This caused a number of people to wonder if there would be a new Fiesta ST. Good news, there will be Fiesta ST coming. But it will be awhile before we see it.
      Dutch publication AutoRAI spoke with Tyrone Johnson, development boss of Ford ST and RS models. Johnson revealed that the Fiesta ST would debut in late 2017, with production beginning a year later. Details about the next Fiesta ST are scarce, but Johnson did hint that the next ST would not see a major increase in power. Instead, the focus will be on improving the fun-factor. We wouldn't be surprised if a six-speed manual remains the only transmission choice, along with the ability to get the ST in three or five-door versions.
      Source: AutoRAI

      View full article
  • Recent Status Updates

  • Who's Online (See full list)