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Just announced in the news......Nissan is moving their N.A. headquarters from Gardena (L.A.) to the Nashville area where they have an assembly plant (Smyrna, TN.) 1,300 jobs will be transferred from Southern California to the Nashville area. Personally, I think this is a MAJOR mistake for Nissan. Why? 1) The car culture in Southern California is second-to-none in this country. 2) Trend-setting is also second-to-none (maybe along with New York) in this country. 3) Southern California is an automotive dynamo with numerous different manufacturers having their N.A. headquarters here and most also have design studios here (GM even has one in North Hollywood.) That's not to mention aftermarket guys such as Saleen, Brabus, etc., that are all headquartered here. 4) Southern California is much closer to Asia for Asian import manufacturers. It's one of the reasons that german manufacturers such as BMW (New Jersey) Porsche (Atlanta) and VW (Detroit) are all on the east cost time zone. 5) A good majority of the Nissan employees here have indicated they do not want to move to Nashville and many will search for new jobs and quit Nissan instead of accept a transfer. Why? 1) Many love living here and 2) IF they move, they will most likely never be able to afford to return because this area's real estate market appreciation is forecasted to remain very strong....far outpacing the market in other areas such as Nashville. 6) Nashville's not a bad town at all.....but if you've lived in Southern California for awhile, and can afford it here, why would you want to leave the beaches, the palm trees, the mountains, the lack of humidity and bugs, the great weather, the excitement of L.A. and Hollywood, the great restaurants, and the great nightlife, etc.? This predicament has been all over the news here lately and apparently Toyota received SO many resumes as of late, they called Nissan and asked them to please ask their employees to stop forwarding them over there. Sure there will be some people that will HAVE to move because of their longevity and their retirement interests....and some will move that have struggled here with the high cost-of-living. BUT....what will be the overall effect of morale on Nissan's employees? Those that quit because they don't want to move....but more importantly, what about the morale of those that DO move but don't really want to? Edited by The O.C.
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Just announced in the news......Nissan is moving their N.A. headquarters from Gardena (L.A.) to the Nashville area where they have an assembly plant (Smyrna, TN.)  1,300 jobs will be transferred from Southern California to the Nashville area.

Personally, I think this is a MAJOR mistake for Nissan.  Why?

1)  The car culture in Southern California is second-to-none in this country.

2)  Trend-setting is also second-to-none (maybe along with New York) in this country.

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a bit pompous on your part, perhaps? that's said, why would you locate your headquarters among the hillbillies?

either is better than Detroit, perhaps...if you want to avoid mono-think and tunnel vision. Edited by regfootball
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a bit pompous on your part, perhaps?  that's said, why would you locate your headquarters among the hillbillies?

either is better than Detroit, perhaps...if you want to avoid mono-think and tunnel vision.

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What's pompous about my remarks?

Do you not agree? ^_^

And if you don't, I'd LOVE to hear your comments as to why......

P.S.....Nashville is not that hillbilly....
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5) A good majority of the Nissan employees here have indicated they do not want to move to Nashville and many will search for new jobs and quit Nissan instead of accept a transfer. Why? 1) Many love living here and 2) IF they move, they will most likely never be able to afford to return because this area's real estate market appreciation is forecasted to remain very strong....far outpacing the market in other areas such as Nashville.


What makes you think Nissan isn't losing employees already?

Tell me this, how exactly is a middle class household on an engineer's or accountant's salary supposed to afford a decent home in LA? I'm not talking about a McMansion here, I'm talking about a 3 bedroom in a respectable school district.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8486137/
http://www.realestatejournal.com/columnist...ivingthere.html

LA has the second least affordable housing market in the country. The incomes may be a bit above average, but the housing costs maybe 2-3 times as much. How are non-movie stars supposed to afford a middle class-living? :huh:

You can go on a rampage about "corporate greed" at this point if you want, but my guess is that Nissan's engineers and accountants are already paid much more than their counterparts in other cities, but at the same time this may not be enough to afford the same standard of living as others in their field. So they may be ditching Nissan in droves, which is something that would not surprise me.

The decision seems to make sense to me on a number of levels, not the least of which is that Nissan is half owned by the French now, and Tennessee is closer to Europe than LA. Also Nissan is the most gas guzzler dependent of the import brands, and their sales have been leveling off in the past few months. They've run out of new market segements to enter. They may be making this move ahead of a probable financial cruch that faces them.

6) Nashville's not a bad town at all.....but if you've lived in Southern California for awhile, and can afford it here, why would you want to leave the beaches, the palm trees, the mountains, the lack of humidity and bugs, the great weather, the excitement of L.A. and Hollywood, the great restaurants, and the great nightlife, etc.


On a day to day basis those things matters little to the average person, especially when compared to the major factors of *salary* and *affordable housing* and *decent schools*. It matters even less if you don't have the money to enjoy those things. Not everyone was born with a silver spoon in their mouths, kid. Edited by Shantanu
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I suppose it makes sense to move your headquarters closer to your operations (the manufacturing plants). The design center's is going to remain in Cali, I believe.

Audi is believed to be moving their HQ to Atlanta within three years, so maybe the South is the next big thing for automakers.

The decision seems to make sense to me on a number of levels, not the least of which is that Nissan is half owned by the French now, and Tennessee is closer to Europe than LA.

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I don't think this one of the reasons for the move. Nissan isn't really owned by Renualt. They hold a 44% stake in Nissan (Nissan has a 15% stake in Renault) but Nissan and Renault (aside from Ghosn, who presides over both companies) are two seperate groups. In other words, Renault doesn't have an influence over Nissan's decisions. Edited by VarianceJ30
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Cost of living is a LOT cheaper in Nashville. That, and other operational costs are the reason for the move.
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Lest we forget, Ford got caught up on the same stupid "California Car Culture" bandwagon a couple of years ago.

They moved their Premier Automotive Group (Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover, Aston Martin) offices from NJ to LA. How stupid is that? These companies have corporate HQ's in Detroit and operations on the other side of the world in Europe. The head of the group left after a few months because it was ridiculously far away from his native Germany.

They also merged Lincoln and Mercury with PAG (completely abandoning their Midwestern roots), and moved them out to LA too. Thinking that the California Car Culture would work its wonders and make them winners. Didn't work. Lincoln and Mercury were soon moved back to save money, and PAG still lingers on in LA, most of its brands still haven't delivered the big sales or big profits that Ford thought they would pay out.

I don't think this one of the reasons for the move. Nissan isn't really owned by Renualt. They hold a 44% stake in Nissan (Nissan has a 15% stake in Renault) but Nissan and Renault (aside from Ghosn, who presides over both companies) are two seperate groups. In other words, Renault doesn't have an influence over Nissan's decisions.


When the Japanese started selling cars in the U.S., they all opened up import offices in LA, because 1) LA is close to Japan (compared to say, Detroit, or New York), 2) LA had a lot of Japanese people for them to employ locally, and 3) LA is a major port. These points matter less now, because Nissan's American operations are less Japan oriented, so there is less reason for them to be in LA. Edited by Shantanu
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What makes you think Nissan isn't losing employees already?

Tell me this, how exactly is a middle class household on an engineer's or accountant's salary supposed to afford a decent home in LA?  I'm not talking about a McMansion here, I'm talking about a 3 bedroom in a respectable school district.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8486137/
http://www.realestatejournal.com/columnist...ivingthere.html

LA has the second least affordable housing market in the country.  The incomes may be a bit above average, but the housing costs maybe 2-3 times as much.  How are non-movie stars supposed to afford a middle class-living? :huh:

You can go on a rampage about "corporate greed" at this point if you want, but my guess is that Nissan's engineers and accountants are already paid much more than their counterparts in other cities, but at the same time this may not be enough to afford the same standard of living as others in their field.  So they may be ditching Nissan in droves, which is something that would not surprise me.

The decision seems to make sense to me on a number of levels, not the least of which is that Nissan is half owned by the French now, and Tennessee is closer to Europe than LA.  Also Nissan is the most gas guzzler dependent of the import brands, and their sales have been leveling off in the past few months.  They've run out of new market segements to enter.  They may be making this move ahead of a probable financial cruch that faces them.
On a day to day basis those things matters little to the average person, especially when compared to the major factors of *salary* and *affordable housing* and *decent schools*.  It matters even less if you don't have the money to enjoy those things.  Not everyone was born with a silver spoon in their mouths, kid.

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"Kid?"

I must be the oldest "kid" around.....I don't know what your comment was supposed to entail....

BUT....I have a corporate sales & marketing job, am NOT rich, but live in Southern California in a townhouse worth $675K. HOW? Because I've lived in California for nine years and this is the fifth house I've owned here. I've done VERY well in real estate here and that has helped me to live a more-than-comfortable life here.

Many Nissan employees HAVE lived here for awhile and if you do it smart, you can build a good lifestyle off of real estate "fortunes" in this state.

Sure....as I said in my post (if you read it carefully enough) there ARE people that can't afford to live here, or havent' had the benefit of buying and selling homes here....or rent and can't afford to buy....and those people likely will move.....and I can understand that totally.

And all those "attributes" I mentioned about living in Southern California? You are damn straight people DO care about those things....or they wouldn't put up with the exhorbitant prices and traffic to stay here.

Many factors weigh in....but there's no question the buzz in southern California is that many of these Nissan people DON'T want to leave and will be in a very tough quandry....
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Lest we forget, Ford got caught up on the same stupid "California Car Culture" bandwagon a couple of years ago.

They moved their Premier Automotive Group (Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover, Aston Martin) offices from NJ to LA.  How stupid is that?  These companies have corporate HQ's in Detroit and operations on the other side of the world in Europe.  The head of the group left after a few months because it was ridiculously far away from his native Germany.

They also merged Lincoln and Mercury with PAG (completely abandoning their Midwestern roots), and moved them out to LA too.  Thinking that the California Car Culture would work its wonders and make them winners.  Didn't work.  Lincoln and Mercury were soon moved back to save money, and PAG still lingers on in LA, most of its brands still haven't delivered the big sales or big profits that Ford thought they would pay out.
When the Japanese started selling cars in the U.S., they all opened up import offices in LA, because 1) LA is close to Japan (compared to say, Detroit, or New York), 2) LA had a lot of Japanese people for them to employ locally, and 3) LA is a major port.  These points matter less now, because Nissan's American operations are less Japan oriented, so there is less reason for them to be in LA.

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First of all, L/M's "California experiement" failed because Ford never embraced the ideal, even though they moved them out here. Ask ANY L/M or Ford employee you know and you'll see that Dearborn never gave them the level of support or the empowerment to take action and do the things that the new California employees wanted to do. Dearborn still pulled the strings....and didn't listen to the people they moved out here.

Secondly, the asian companies didn't move to L.A because they could employ more asians....that's ludicrous. I worked for two asian companies and there were a majority of white, black, and hispanic people that worked there. Sure there are asians that work there....but asians in L.A. do alot more than just work for asian car companies....
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Nissans are terrible cars. Good-riddance! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! These are just admin jobs at an HQ building. Nissan is still leaving its design center in San Diego. Consider this though... Toyota does well in California because they build Tacomas and Corollas here. Nissan, what have you done for California lately?
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BUT....I have a corporate sales & marketing job, am NOT rich, but live in Southern California in a townhouse worth $675K.  HOW?  Because I've lived in California for nine years and this is the fifth house I've owned here.  I've done VERY well in real estate here and that has helped me to live a more-than-comfortable life here.

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You brag about your new Corvette, your S500, your BMW X5, and I'm sure I am forgetting some...you and your partner do seem kind of "rich" from statements you make like that. There's nothing wrong with that, and I come from a well-off family, BUT it seems kind of obnoxious to either put on airs then deny you are rich OR to "name-drop" your financial status and then deny you are rich. I do not know you and do not know which is true, but I'm just saying...you kinda give off the impression of having a good deal of money. Again, nothing wrong with it, but don't perpetuate an image on the board and then deny it.
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You brag about your new Corvette, your S500, your BMW X5, and I'm sure I am forgetting some...you and your partner do seem kind of "rich" from statements you make like that.  There's nothing wrong with that, and I come from a well-off family, BUT it seems kind of obnoxious to either put on airs then deny you are rich OR to "name-drop" your financial status and then deny you are rich.  I do not know you and do not know which is true, but I'm just saying...you kinda give off the impression of having a good deal of money.  Again, nothing wrong with it, but don't perpetuate an image on the board and then deny it.

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Croc....what's with the attitude?

First of all, I've never "bragged" about my cars. I'm sorry if I have nice cars. Last time I heard, this was an automotive enthusiast website (GM fans) and many of us own non-GM cars....in addition to our GM cars.

If it comes up in a post what kind of car I have, then so-be-it. If you are jealous of that, or you think I'm "bragging" about them, then that's your problem and not mine.

I've never "name-dropped" any financial status.....because I'm not rich.....we both have good jobs, two car payments, and a mortagage...just like many other couples out there. And you know what? We DIDN'T come from well-off families.

I don't know WHAT your problem is, but you need to hold your personal judgements to yourself.....I don't wanna read 'em on here Croc.

Why don't you get to KNOW me first......you know we both have email addresses....? Then if you STILL think I'm like that, you can post on here about me to your heart's content......

(Sorry for off-topic)
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Just telling you how it can come across sometimes, especially with the near-constant, exaggerated bashing you engage in of GM products. Some (read: quite a bit) is over the top and turns people off. Again, just telling how it all comes across at times. EDIT: Again, I have nothing personal against you; I don't know you. I'm sure you're a great guy. Sometimes your criticism of GM comes across as way harsh and whether intentional or not, sometimes you seem to "name-drop." Edited by Croc
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Nissans are terrible cars. Good-riddance! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!


You're basing this off of...?

Consider this though... Toyota does well in California because they build Tacomas and Corollas here. Nissan, what have you done for California lately?

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This for one:

Nissan Provides $100,000 in Scholarships for Local High School Seniors [Apr. 19, 05]

Nissan seeks applicants for the Nissan-UNCF “SHIFT_” knowledge Scholarship Program

GARDENA, Calif. (April 19, 2005) – Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) and the United Negro College Fund (UNCF) are currently seeking applicants for its NISSAN-UNCF “SHIFT_” knowledge Scholarship Program.

The NISSAN-UNCF “SHIFT_” knowledge scholarship was created in 2004 to recognize the academic achievement and leadership qualities of students, and to honor the rich legacy of Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs).

The program will award a total of $100,000 in scholarships to 10 Los Angeles-based high school seniors planning to attend a Historically Black College or University (HBCU) in Fall 2005. Ten scholarships of $10,000 will be awarded.

The minimum eligibility requirements for scholarship applicants include currently being a high school senior enrolled in the Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD); having a minimum 3.0 GPA and pursuing majors in the fields of engineering, design, marketing, business, communications, public relations, finance or law.

“We are thrilled to partner with UNCF and open the doors of opportunity for a deserving student,” said Terri Hines, senior manager of public affairs for NNA. “This scholarship embodies Nissan’s commitment to enriching people’s lives through education.”

Students should see their guidance counselor for more details about the program or apply on-line at www.uncf.org. In addition to completing the application form, students must submit a
one-page essay, an official high school transcript, a letter of recommendation from a teacher and a community leader, and a letter of acceptance from an HBCU for enrollment in Fall 2005. The application deadline is June 6, 2005.

About Nissan North America, Inc.

In North America, Nissan’s operations include automotive styling, engineering, consumer and corporate financing, sales and marketing, distribution and manufacturing. More information on Nissan North America and the complete line of Nissan and Infiniti vehicles can be found online at www.nissanusa.com and www.infiniti.com.

About The United Negro College Fund

The United Negro College Fund is the nation’s largest, oldest, most successful and most comprehensive minority higher education assistance organization. UNCF provides operating funds and technology enhancement services for 38 member historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs), scholarships and internships for students at almost 1,000 institutions and faculty and administrative professional training.

Over 60 years, the United Negro College Fund has raised more than $2 billion to help a total of more than 300,000 students attend college and has distributed more funds to help minorities attend school than any entity outside of the government.

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...and like you said...

Nissan is still leaving its design center in San Diego.


What's with the anger? :huh:
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So...you work for the Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce now?

I hardly think Nissan gives two shits about California's temperate climate and dining choices in making this decision. Also, its not that big of a deal - you either move, or you don't. Period. I know a few pilots who flew for Lincare who chose to stay in Tampa Bay rather than move to Birmingham when they moved their wing of exec jets up there. They're still alive, the company is still alive...so yeah...

Anyway, probably what everyone's been trying to say - cost of operations and proximity to their manufacturing facilities.
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Just telling you how it can come across sometimes, especially with the near-constant, exaggerated bashing you engage in of GM products.  Some (read: quite a bit) is over the top and turns people off.  Again, just telling how it all comes across at times.
EDIT: Again, I have nothing personal against you; I don't know you.  I'm sure you're a great guy.  Sometimes your criticism of GM comes across as way harsh and whether intentional or not, sometimes you seem to "name-drop."

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Croc...sorry....not trying to be overly sensative, but I didn't have things handed to me...we worked hard for what we have and I struggled for MANY years living here but in the end, it's payed off nicely for us. That's all.

Dude....I love this company.....and you are right. I am VERY critical of GM. I wouldn't call it "exaggerated bashing" of GM, but I would call it harsh criticism and I admit that.

I used to be "blindly loyal" to GM and I don't like that about myself. I don't WANT to make excuses for GM. That's why I'm vocal about the crappy interior materials on a Solstice, or the aged W-body chassis on the LaCrosse, or the cartoonish design of certain past Pontiacs.

If you remember, I've given more than enough props to GM when IMHO they HAVE done things right. And no one else is happier than I am to see them come out with the C6, or the new Tahoe/Escalade, or even the Lucerne.....for example.

I wasn't "bragging" about the C6....merely pointing out a few times that if I didn't have a certain confidence in GM, I wouldn't have spent the money on buying a Corvette. I see it as a big investment financially in the General....a big vote of confidence on my part.

About the my house and what it cost....also not "bragging" here....just trying to make a point that a "normal" non-celebrity and non-millionaire can make it here and live comfortably here. But it IS tough to do, and it was tough for us for many years and I recognize that not everyone will want to go through that to live here.

I hope that clears up some of it. AND for the record, while I don't hide my affection for the X5, I have shared much of my criticism for the shoddy quality of the S500.

Now....back to Nissan and Nashville.......

B)
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First of all, L/M's "California experiement" failed because Ford never embraced the ideal, even though they moved them out here.  Ask ANY L/M or Ford employee you know and you'll see that Dearborn never gave them the level of support or the empowerment to take action and do the things that the new California employees wanted to do.  Dearborn still pulled the strings....and didn't listen to the people they moved out here.


Well you can spin anything that way if you want. I don't know how much truth there is to that, because Ford was blowing money like crazy in the 1990's. They were making hand over fist on their trucks and SUVs. They spent billions more than they needed to buying out completely useless Euro automakers like Jaguar and Land Rover that had a name, some cachet, and little else. But who knows, maybe the high cost of living in California got to them with Lincoln and Mercury. :lol:

Secondly, the asian companies didn't move to L.A because they could employ more asians....that's ludicrous.  I worked for two asian companies and there were a majority of white, black, and hispanic people that worked there.  Sure there are asians that work there....but asians in L.A. do alot more than just work for asian car companies....


Oh, there are more white people than Asians in America? I didn't notice that, thanks for pointing it out.

Seriously though, the decision to setup import offices back was back in the 1960's. And the Japanese wanted to go to a city that had a large number of Japanese people already, and LA was that city. This meant that Japanese people were accepted locally (back in those days, racism was a real concern in many parts of the U.S.), and also the Japanese employees who didn't know English so well could have the help of a local bilingual staff. I know so because a former President of Nissan that I saw on TV said as much. Why does that seem so implausible to you? Why do you think the Hispanic TV industry is HQed in Miami, and not - say - Minneapolis? Or, why do many ethnic newspapers have their HQs in New York, and not Fargo, ND? I would think that a real estate wiz like you would be able to figure something obvious like that out.
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Well you can spin anything that way if you want.  I don't know how much truth there is to that, because Ford was blowing money like crazy in the 1990's.  They were making hand over fist on their trucks and SUVs.  They spent billions more than they needed to buying out completely useless Euro automakers like Jaguar and Land Rover that had a name, some cachet, and little else.  But who knows, maybe the high cost of living in California got to them with Lincoln and Mercury. :lol:
Oh, there are more white people than Asians in America?  I didn't notice that, thanks for pointing it out. 

Seriously though, the decision to setup import offices back was back in the 1960's.  And the Japanese wanted to go to a city that had a large number of Japanese people already, and LA was that city.  This meant that Japanese people were accepted locally (back in those days, racism was a real concern in many parts of the U.S.), and also the Japanese employees who didn't know English so well could have the help of a local bilingual staff.  I know so because a former President of Nissan that I saw on TV said as much.  Why does that seem so implausible to you?  Why do you think the Hispanic TV industry is HQed in Miami, and not - say - Minneapolis?  Or, why do many ethnic newspapers have their HQs in New York, and not Fargo, ND?  I would think that a real estate wiz like you would be able to figure something obvious like that out.

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Believe it or not, per capita, there's more asian people in the San Francisco Bay Area....AND there's a big port there (Oakland.)

I think they settled on Southern California because, yes, it's closer to Asia. Secondly, there is the largest port complex in the country here (the combined L.A./Long Beach port.) Third, there's a (very) large population of educated white-collar workers. Fourth, Los Angeles has been labled a "Pacific Rim" city because of all the ties we have to those nations economically.
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So...you work for the Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce now?

I hardly think Nissan gives two shits about California's temperate climate and dining choices in making this decision. Also, its not that big of a deal - you either move, or you don't. Period. I know a few pilots who flew for Lincare who chose to stay in Tampa Bay rather than move to Birmingham when they moved their wing of exec jets up there. They're still alive, the company is still alive...so yeah...

Anyway, probably what everyone's been trying to say - cost of operations and proximity to their manufacturing facilities.

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Read Peter's comments about this issue in this week's AutoExtremist.

The cost of operations is a non-issue. Everything in California had been paid for a LONG time ago...and the longer they keep their brick-and-mortar, it will only keep going up in value.

He explains quite clearly why the costs of operation in Nashville will not be as beneficial long-term.....even considering the tax advantages the state and city are giving them.
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It most likely has to do with the fact that a dollar goes farther in Nashville. Nissan probably wants to hire mostly new workers whom they can pay a lot less dollar-wise. SoCal is way more expensive than Nashville. And wages reflect that.
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It most likely has to do with the fact that a dollar goes farther in Nashville.  Nissan probably wants to hire mostly new workers whom they can pay a lot less dollar-wise.  SoCal is way more expensive than Nashville.  And wages reflect that.

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You could have a good point with that.....

They FIGURED that many people would not move......and you are right, they can hire new workers and pay them alot less.....

Do you think that's a good enough reason for them to do it, however? I'm totally confused....

Even more confused about reading Peter's comments about the operations cost issue...
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It all depends on Nissan's financial situation and their goals...
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Regardless of the LT outcome, if you ask any Nissan dealer or employee, they'll tell you that Nissan is a company in internal turmoil. The move to TN has been anticipated for a while now, and it's next to impossible to get anything done within the company. EVERYBODY is looking for a new job, and the frustration level with Ghosn's style of "do or be fired" is high. Morale stinks. Good luck running Nissan, Carlos, when 1000 of your 1300 employees are expected to bail.
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Seems shortsighted. Say goodbye to all the talent, and good luck trying to attract new talent. L.A.'s expensive, but that's because a lot of people want to be there, and for good reason. And automotively, it's on the cutting edge of the country. The buildings in Gardena on Figueroa have been a fixture forever. I hope Nissan keeps them. I've owned one Nissan vehicle, a pickup I got from Torrance Nissan, and it was cheap and a real workhorse. Over the years Nissan vehicles have been uneven, some with great quality, others not so, some with great styling, others not so, but they have not been boring the way that Toyotas generally are.
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The buildings in Gardena on Figueroa have been a fixture forever.  I hope Nissan keeps them.

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Yep, it was in the original Gone in 60 Seconds... except it said "Datsun."

We have two neighbors who work for Nissan, both have an EV wagon and Quest, interestingly. I can't imagine them and their kids moving to Nashville any time soon. The Nissan, Honda, and Toyota HQs are all within 25 minutes from our house, and their PR-friendly contributions to our community are great.
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