A bit of old school ICE goodness to offset the electrical and Hybrid content here.

2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Actually one car that has grown on me, would consider if I didn't need a truck for the next one, is Ford Mach E. More $ than Bolt, but larger, better looking, more practical. I actually really like these.

Oh I agree, but if I'm spending that much, I'd just make the jump to a Prologue(it's a little bigger than a Mach-E) to replace my Navigator. A Bolt/e golf/Volt/Leaf is something that I'd buy as a 2nd vehicle just to commute to and from work.

2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Mileage may complicate lease for him, and I don't like leasing, they hold all the cards on returns with wear and tear and what they can subjectively consider excessive.

I'm not a huge fan of leases either. If I didn't drive so much, I think a lease would work though. I think a 20k mile lease would make the payment on even a cheap EV pretty high.

2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

One practical idea-buy a Maverick Hybrid. LOTS of happy owners. We ALMOST pulled the plug on one when I bought the Camry. VERY impressed with what Ford did with that, and they seem to be reliable and durable.

I did sit in one a few weeks ago when my Navigator had recall work done. They're not toooo small.

2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Even at 12 grand, to me buying a Corolla Hybrid at 2x the price would make sense just because I really don't like the abandoned tech. Also, every Volt owner I know had gas start going bad in the tank because they used so little gasoline. Used Volt OTOH, cheap, and much newer tech.

24k + gas will never pay for itself, in my situation. I'd also be using a little bit of gas every day, so it wouldn't go bad for me.

Also, I thought Volts would periodically run automatically just to fully heat up and burn old gas, if they're being run "too much" on battery alone.

2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

interested in Kia EV.

In my situation, the Hyundai Ionic Electric fits the bill as well. 125 miles of range and roughly the same price of an E Golf/Volt. I believe the Kona Electric was Kia's version of the Ionic Electric.

3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

In my situation, the Hyundai Ionic Electric fits the bill as well. 125 miles of range and roughly the same price of an E Golf/Volt. I believe the Kona Electric was Kia's version of the Ionic Electric.

Yes, Kia it would be the EV3 but we do not get it due to Idiot47

There is the Kia Niro EV. 13 in your area which 7 are used. They also have their Hybrids which have done very well.

Kia Niro Electric for Sale in Saint Louis, MO - Autotrader

Hyundai is the Kona Electric

There are only 2 in your area used for sale.
Used Hyundai Kona Electric for Sale in Saint Louis, MO - Autotrader

GMC is blending their EV Pickup with their ICE in the Style / looks department. I do like the reduction in trims to simplify. Pro, Elevation, AT4, Denali, and Denali Ultimate

GMC introduces the most advanced, luxurious, and powerful Sierra 1500 Ever

Very interesting read:
Car manufacturers are ditching Android Auto in 2026: Here's why

Then here is GM's press release about their Google Play Android Auto OS focus:
Summer drives in your GM vehicle get an upgrade with 200+ new apps on Google Play and more passenger entertainment

Very interesting times for sure!

On 6/9/2026 at 6:30 PM, Guest nobody said:

Hard to feel bad for someone using his daddy's insider information to make huge trades in the stock market to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

There are a lot of filthy rich people who are miserable. Money does not buy the more basic things most normal, everyday people get from the get go. He will have missed out on a "normal" upbringing.

Good morning:

This is one very French looking broad!

On 6/19/2026 at 1:33 AM, Drew Dowdell said:

They rebuilt the towanda plant almost from the ground up for these engines. I’ll reserve judgement for now.

The few times I've driven through the Buffalo area to cross over to Ontario so I can keep driving to Toronto, I see the signs for Tonawanda. I have no idea what the plant looks like and wonder if it's close to the interstate. It has been around for a very long time.

Good afternoon:

You all know by now that I look up some fairly random things. I was trying to see if the Italians have an equivalent for "lipstick lesbian" so I can explain it to my relatives. They have a literal translation, but nothing that sounds like the needed colloquialism.

Today is my last full day in Europe for a while. I fly back transatlantic tomorrow. I've been in Portugal for about a week. I walked out of the main Metro station yesterday afternoon and there was a big crowd for Pride festivities making it hard to circulate easily.

That dovetails perfectly because this chick in the stock photo appears to be walking in the Edmonton, Canada Pride parade in 2011. Why does she have shades on? She has a goofy look about her, leading me to wonder if she's a two bagger. Or maybe just one.

I don't know what energy I put out, but lesbians seem to want to pick a fight with me about once every one to two years. This makes for great stories. I just look like a guy who went to 16 years of Catholic school.

41 minutes ago, trinacriabob said:

The few times I'vedriven through the Buffalo area to cross over to Ontario so I can keep driving to Toronto, I see the signs for Tonawanda. I have no idea what the plant looks like and wonder if it's close to the interstate. It has been around for a very long time.

I recall seeing the Tonawanda signs when driving in Buffalo area. One connections to the engines I recall is when my late brother had a '68 Camaro SS 396 back in the 80s-90s, it had a 'built in Tonowanda' decal on the chrome valve cover.

Also, happy birthday @Robert Hall