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Absolutely love the color choice! It's works perfectly with that classic ride.

@dfelt Why would anyone buy a Corolla with manual? I doubt there were a lot manual Corollas even 10-15 years ago. I am surprised though that 86 has only 33% of manual transmission sales. That really puzzles me, especially considering Miata has so many more manual takers. Makes sense to have manual in the car that has some soul and spunk, not commuting appliance.

Gotta love that Sema is embracing EV's so well. GM it seems is going to offer electric power train crate motors that run on 800 Volt systems. One truck that used a dual setup for AWD was the E-10 Hot Rod truck. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1125874_chevy-e-10-electric-hot-rod-truck-concept-has-a-double-shot-of-bolt-ev 450 horsepower, a 0-60 time in the 5.0-second range, and a quarter-mile time of approximately 13 seconds - LOVELY TRUCK 2020 Kia Iqonic EV got a boost to 38 kWh battery pack with an EPA rating of 170 miles. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1125897_2020-hyundai-ioniq-electric-range-boosted-to-170-miles-for-most-efficient-ev-on-the-market

So much excitement coming to the EV world this fall. November 21st we finally get to see the Tesla Pickup Truck. Be interesting to see how it compares to Rivian who I still expect to get to market far ahead of Tesla. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/06/tesla-pickup-truck-reveal-november-21/ November 19th we get to see the New ID reveal at the LA autoshow for our EV from VW. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/30/vw-ev-concept-petersen-museum-la-auto-show/ November 17th is the official reveal of the production Ford Mach E at LA Auto Show. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/30/ford-mach-e-rendered-mustang-inspired-ev-crossover/ Spy photos are leaking of the flagship EQS EV from Mercedes-Benz https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/29/mercedes-benz-eqs-interior-spy-shots/#slide-2180535 Fisker SUV reservations go live later this month on November 27th, the reveal is January 4th 2020. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/31/fisker-ocean-electric-suv/

In olden days, penny pinchers bought econoboxes w/ manuals because they were usually the cheapest, and got better gas mileage than automatics. That is odd about the 86, would have thought it would have similar numbers as the Miata.

Now THIS saddens me.

I never said they have no future. There are already like 40 EV / PHEVs out now... they just about all have really poor volume. Yes; the top 5 or so do OK in volume, but the rest sell at Ferrari volume (or worse). Share will likely continue to creep up, but there’s no ‘explosion’ of volume around the corner. We have an established track record showing that handily. I can respect individual’s enthusiasm for the EV, and I think some aspects of owning one are appealing. But people need to embrace the reality of the market and discard the wide-eyed wonder of concept unveilings and futurist media pieces.

Low 30’s is fine; they need to be within $2500 to be price competitive (tho Im seeing $38.4K for the Kona). I’ll certainly give them a buffer for not having to buy fuel. So what’s holding the sales of these down so hard? Ioniq moved only 391 thru Sept, Soul moved 78 and Kona 97! E-golf: 3596, Leaf: 9111. Still pretty poor numbers, what’s a corolla at in the same period, or a Malibu?? Even if pricing is competitive, buyers just don’t want them. And don’t for a second think any of these in this price range are making a profit; they’re all subsidized by IC volume/profit. This is exactly why the EV stand-alones are either making no money, or closing down- Faraday just declared BK, and both Apple & Dyson pulled out.

125 miles is not great but more than enough for a city use or people having average commute (which is 15-20 miles one way)

Pretty boring stuff yet you keep coming back to comment. What’s that they about the definition of the word “insanity”? “Brainchild”? From what I recall, it was more like complaining like a ten year old with a skinned knee because you though it was not so “random” for someone to talk about something you had no interest in. Maybe it’s just the Trollus Operatus.

Me too!!! Although Im gravitating to the cleaner design of the Z51. But we obviously do not know how it will really look... Its been awhile since I have preferred the Z51 or (base) styling of the Corvette over its higher performance versions. The C1...its the 1958 version I prefer with all that chrome on the deck lid and the louvers on the hood. Yeah. I like all that excess. The C2, its the 427 1967 coupe that I prefer with the hood scoop and the side pipes. The C3, the 427 1969 with the side pipes...and bulge in the hood. The C4 is just about the only Vette where I prefer the 1984 base version over any other C4. And the base 1986 convertible. OK...the 1989 Callaway Speedster would be my favorite C4 but a Callaway is not really factory...so that does not count... The C5 would be the Z06 coupe. Yeah, Im just about a rare breed that prefers not to have that glass hatch on the C5. In Millennium Yellow of course. The C6 would be the Z06 and a close second the ZR1 looks over the base C6. In Yellow of course. The ZR1 would be in blue. The C7 would be the Z06 with the Z07 package that I prefer. In yellow of course.

The C8.R pic you posted is going to look very similar to the "Zora" C8 ZR1. Can't wait!!

"Toyoter" is not mine....its Balthy's. I wish I could have thought of it....but its his! I appreciate your input about the Corvette. And I knew all that. Now...I aint being condescending about you correcting me. I knew what I wrote was not accurate. And I do not mind you pointing it out that I was wrong. I was exaggerating...to prove a point. And what point is that? That point that you stated!!! I should not have mentioned the C4...but even then, the C4 to the C7, the design and layout of the platform's have not changed. And that is what I wanted to convey. it just came out wrong. But yeah! I like that you and I are on the same page!!!

I agree with you on fullsize pickup trucks and their ridiculous 2 or 4 year "refresh" now that are basically a new grille design or a change to the headlight tech and/or design. It's funny because it used to be 7-10 years before the domestics would change much of anything on their fullsize trucks until about the '14 or '15 MY, now the other guy has the "All New" truck and Corp. top brass saying "we can't have that" it's all a sales tactic obviously. I also agree that pretty soon these fullsize trucks are going to haul way more than they need to or more than the driver is even licensed for (CDL) and the turbo diesel power output is now 450-500hp and 850-1000 ft. lbs of torque and a max GVWR of 35K+ lbs. and again anything over 26,001 lbs. you need a CDL, so yep 18 wheeler territory in that respect ? Now with the Corvette you were a little off. From the C4 production that ran from 1984 - 1996 to the C5 that ran from 1997 - 2004 they were totally different platforms. The C5 with much improved stability and performance was a totally new car from the ground up, with maybe a couple of suspension components that were similar to the C4. It had a totally new "hydroformed" ladder style space frame and the transmission went from being bolted directly to the engine to the back axle in a very stout transaxle form, all connected with a "torque tube" which in the C5's case is a very strong forged aluminum tunnel that carries the driveshaft and attaches the front of the powertrain to the back. It was really nice to see the bell housing bulge in the driver and passenger footwell from the C4 go away with this new design. This all new design with the transmission in the back also gave the C5 Corvette a perfect 50/50 weight distribution. When the C5 came out the body had the lowest Cd (Coefficient of drag) at .29 Cd that was lower than Ferrari at the time. Speaking of powertrain this was also the first year of the all new GM LS motor with the LS1. With this new C5 chassis design being so good and so far ahead of it's time in the late 90's it lasted surprisingly long, longer than even GM engineers thought, I was told this by one at the C8 reveal I went to. With basically all new bodies for the 2005 C6 and 2014 C7 and some suspension updates and upgrades like MagnaRide until the 2020 C8 it was a pretty rare circumstance. Can you think of another modern car chassis that has lasted the test of time so well like the C5 - C7 Corvette have at 23 MY's? It shows how well thought out the design was compared to previous generations to last well into the future. "Toyoter" LMAO!

I used to think this way too. I guess reading too many car magazines back in the day made me adapt to their idiotic biases. I know now why they critically devalued an older model versus a newer model in their head to head comparisons...all because of fake automotive journalistic bias to sell more magazines... to idiots like me. I never understood why a certain model that was very good 2 years prior was now criticized and more importantly, FROWNED upon just because a new competitor had a new model out. But these magazines sure had me hook, line and sinker. And that kind of idiocy arose in the car forums that I posted in later on in life and I got to see more idiots, including myself, where a Mustang guy would diss a Camaro guy and vice versa and the come backs for each idiot was: "yeah, but the new Mustang will come out next year..." or "Yeah, but the Camaro is already 2 years old...of course the Mustang beat it..." Such lunacy... Which brings me to this post here. Yes. Of course! I understand why companies spend billions to create new platforms every 6-8 years or so...to be on the cutting edge of technology to one-up the competition. But that too is lunacy. Take the fullsized pick-up truck wars. Every new gen platform and the Big 3 boast towing capacities and we are in a world where these pick-up trucks can practically haul shyte on par with 18 wheelers. Exaggeration of course. OK...I guess that kind of competition is good for the consumer, but when does a regular Joe Blow need to haul shyte like an 18 wheeler on with his Chevy Silverado? Keep in mind, I AM talking about a regular Joe Blow here.... And all that these brings to the car manufacturer is enormous amounts of R&D money that they do not necessarlity need to spend... And the negative talk in car mags? Is a 2 generations ago Silverado THAT much of a loser vehicle as compared to a brand new 2020 F-150? Because, of all the R&D money spent on each and every generation of the Silverado, I personally do not think that a 2 generations ago Silverado is that much behind a new generation Silverado, or Ram or F-150... Corvette just proves it... The C4 and the C5 and the C6 and the C7 are not really brand new new platforms from the generations before... Improved upon...yes, but not brand new like the C8 is... and THAT would be smart R&D money. Toyoter too. This is why Toyoter has a huge war chest of money... PS: Ive changed my mind set on this issue and returned to how I used to think. Like you!

Seems people are making old Dodges New. Grafted new front end on an old Dodge Wagon. https://jalopnik.com/this-dodge-charger-wagon-spotted-on-the-street-looks-so-1839653803

The Miata does skew older, esp. those seeking the pure sports car experience....it's like an old British sports car without the unreliability and misery.

Take it for the limited info I could quickly dig up, but while Mazda is at the bottom of the list for average age buyers compared to Toyota per Carmax, the two auto's we speak of here are opposite age groups. Miata has a much older age base of buyers that had exposure to manual transmissions. Toyota 86 is a Millennial thing where Flappy Paddles on an Xbox or Play station steering wheel and not exposed to actual manual transmission auto's. This tends to make sense.

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2015-volkswagen-e-golf-sel-premium-one-year-review/

That's much improved from the original 70-90 miles or range quoted by VW. It would take ten or more years to pay itself off, even getting the full $7500 tax credit. God forbid you don't. " "The EPA reckons the cost of electricity at 13 cents per kWh. So a full charge on the 24.2-kWh battery is $3.15 and gets you 83 [miles of driving range]. The cost per mile is thus 3.8 cents. If you take a Jetta that gets 33 mpg combined and the EPA's cost of $2.01 for regular gasoline, then that comes to 6.1 cents per mile." Gas prices these days are higher in many places, which would increase savings, but for me VW's formula worked out to $569.94 in electricity for my year in an e-Golf versus the $913.30 I would have paid for gas in a comparable car." *That was at 14,972 miles in one year.*

Kia Soul EV Hyundai Ioniq Electric Hyundai Kona Electric Nissan Leaf Volkswagen e-Golf All of these are in the low 30s. You may argue that they still not price competitive with comparable ICE models. However, if to take into account energy savings and maintenance savings, I think they will be more than competitive. I think many more will come in the next few years. Like it or not it is obvious that giants like GM, Ford, VW and Toyota started seriously investing into EV vehicles. They are coming.

I don't think they need to be THAT cheap, but certainly they have to come in starting in the high 20s. This $45-90K shit ain't workin.

VERY WELL WRITTEN!!! We SHOULD embrace our biases and we should ADMIT them when we are discussing things. I do NOT hold back on my biases. I try to be as open as I possibly can when I speak or post. I put all my cards on the table...some people do not know how to cope with that and they read into more than they should from what I said because of their own biases that they also seem to suppress whether they are aware of their own bias or not. I tend to pick up on that right away and put the two opposing biases on display but that causes more riff... Regarding professionalism to where opinions and "facts" really influence folk....MONEY is always a factor. Integrity is a trait that can and does get compromised when money is involved. Very few professionals stay...professional. Its hard. Circumstances sometimes does not allow for integrity to be upheld and so forth... But sometimes...humanity is decent and integrity remains strong... Bias. Its a human necessity. Its how we evolve and survive... But we have to allow others to have biases and opinions. But when money is involved, sometimes that bias is money influenced and is not really personal anecdotal opinion, but fake, money influenced business transactions that are passed off as personal, anecdotal advice and opinion... And integrity is compromised...and fake views on subjects are being passed on and lead people to fake conclusions... And when we see that kind of bias, we should expose it for the crap that it is and not embrace it... We must not be naive to this either...we have a brain, we must use it...

"Global world" is redundant.

So I guess its you, the Corvette owners, that are a finicky bunch then... Golf bags. Cup holders. Fat seats for your old man fat asses.

Not very many are going to 'race' towards EVs that cost 2-3 times what IC vehicles cost. $30,000 buys a LOT of fuel, and for years to come.

? Could we not be professional and just wait till the movie comes out and then debate each persons take on the facts of the movie? ?‍♂️

Its not like platforms are weak, or lacking crash performance design, or ride poorly (platform is a strictly minor factor in that), or are still using decades-old suspension, or ANYTHING like that. And the other issue is that the SOP here is a ‘clean sheet’ redesign. All that says is the previous one they advertised & sold for years is garbage. We’re way past the need for completely new platforms for the same brand/ model.