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But THAT is my point... Close to 100 000 Camaros have been sold in 2 years. Internal combustion engined Camaros... The other 3 Japanese sports cars COMBINED dont even amass to one year of Camaros sales. Camaro STILL appeals to peoples. Mustangs and Challengers...and Camaros, all three are 2 door sport car coupes STILL appeal to peoples. There is no need to try to inspire folk to buy cars...at least THESE cars. Sales of these cars are great for what is going on in the world regarding what sedans are going through with their CUV counterparts. I applaud Ford with the EV CUV and calling it a Mustang. I think that was a brilliant move both in regards in competing with Telsa AND making sure the Mustang nameplate DOES in fact remain relevant for the FAR future. At the same time KEEPING and maintaining the coupe for the near future. Chevrolet...SHOULD copy Ford and making the Camaro an EV CUV to compete with Tesla, and with Mustang Mach E BUT Chevrolet should ALSO keep the car coupe BECAUSE Ford WILL keep the Mustang car coupe. I wanted to show that Camaro sales are THERE so Chevrolet SHOULD NOT kill the car coupe. It be foolish for them to do so. THAT is how Chevrolet will KILL the Camaro nameplate and the Camaro CUV will NOT sell... The possible EV CUV Camaro and CUV Mustang EVs NEED their car coupe so the CUV pony car namesake COULD relate to car people.

I don't have a problem with the Mach E- AS LONG AS the Mustang coupe/covert remain, and remain IC. I'm going to scope out the Mach-E (not to buy) when it finally comes around. Likewise, I'd be fine with a CUV Camaro AS LONG AS the coupe/convert IC core models remain. In the past I would've cried 'heresy!' but perhaps the Camaro / Mustang just aren't that close to my automotive heart.

Contempt for it or not that it has bred not, the Supra has outsold the BMW version. But THAT just proves MY point even more. BMW fanbois and Toyota fanbois could cry all they want about how one fanbase says the car is a BMW underneath and the other says its not a real BMW...the Camaro sells comfortably well... And again, the Mustang Mach E has EQUALED the Camaro sales...and sold out... Only cynical in YOUR small minded view of the world... YOU are kinda like those Supra fanbois... wah wah wah And yet, a Mustang Mach E has sold as many Camaros ICE coupes... The Camaro EV not selling as YOU put it is because of SEVERAL reasons. 1. NOT a PRODUCTION Camaro. Its a CONCEPT one off. No REAL substance there 2. NO MARKETING push for it. 3. GM's marketing sucks anyway. They couldnt sell a legit Covid19 vaccine to a Covid19 dying victim to save their sorry ass. But keep that dumb narrative alive while you think you got something going on based only on your narrow view of the world while always ignoring the BIGGER picture...

Well then, if it was parked at the curb on a public street, it should be easy to assign blame onto the moving vehicle.

^ excellent post. I’ve said it before; because it’s ‘General Motors”, even an article about the Camaro seemingly MUST involve sales numbers in some degree of damning light. Like the Camaro should be selling 250,000/yr in order to be a ‘success’. Read an article on any of the other sports cars mentioned above and you just won’t find the same tone directed toward them. IMO, the Camaro could sell 5000/yr and I’d still vote for it to continue production.

I do NOT want this to become the "new normal:" I DID go ahead and cut my own hair. I just grabbed "parallel" sections of it and took some off with a small pair of scissors. Now, while it doesn't look bad, it does NOT look good, either! (After I finished, I realized that I had forgotten to take a photo of the longest hair I recall having.)

Motorvair :

They would look right at home at Versailles ... before heads began to roll ...

again... 1. making fun of me 2. trolling me 3. not responding to the content nor giving a rebuttal Whatever dude.

So, when I first looked my Flex, prior to buying it in December, I noticed that the power lift gate was acting erratic. It would open about six inches and close back, regardless of whether it was closed all the way or open all the way first. I did a little research and discovered it was the hydraulics in the actuator going bad, and a new one was around $125 (give or take). I got them to knock another $300 off for the issue and they agreed. Well, when I got to NC, it was acting okay until a month ago when the problem resurfaced, so I bit the bullet and bought the actuator. Long story short, it only took about five minutes to switch out and the Flex is much happier now. C0FF370C-223B-48F7-AE07-2A0DB1B9B1CB.MOV

I woke up Thursday and had enough, found my son's trimmer and went to town with the number 7 guide. It isn't great with my "mature" hairline but it will be better in a few weeks.

I really think the styling is doing in the Camaro. When it was on the Zeta platform, it was big and heavy and most enthusiasts were bitching about that, but the sales figures were on par to the Mustang's. It was a bunker inside but the sales were very Mustang-like. THAT was not a deterrent... The Challenger had what camaro sales have now. Actually, the Challenger sales only grew to a smaller amount. But that is because of really crazy horsepower top end Challengers fueling the lower end Challenger sales...and the addition of AWD to the V6 base version making a pony car available to those that want one in snowy States and Provinces. But, like I said, the Challenger sales only grew a tiny bit. NOT that a growth in Challenger sales mean that a decline in Camaro sales are related. Its more like Dodge's marketing with an AWD V6 base and being first to introduce crazy high HP numbers with awesome marketed Hellcat and Demon names and ad campaigns made sure that the Challenger sold in decent numbers for the years to come as a new platform is nowhere near to come. Back to Chevy. They made the Camaro smaller, more in line as a Mustang...and the sales were there as well. Its just that historically, the Mustang almost always surpassed the Camaro's in sales. But, in 2016, the switch to Alpha in sales was high. Not as high as the Zeta Camaro...but that has NOTHING to do with it being smaller, nor the interior being a bunker, nor the price tag, BUT because the STYLING has NOT changed since 2010... And now we are in 2020. And really, the first time we saw a 1969 inspired, retro new Camaro was in 2008 when the movie Transformers came out. In 2016 when Chevy introduced a new generation, the SAME 1969 inspired retro Camaro was kept that was first introduced in 2008 and made into production in 2010... Not to mention the Alpha Camaro refreshes are not exactly mind blowing as compared to what Dodge has done to their even older platformed Challenger... 2008 "Bumblebee" as a concept at the Detroit NAIAS. Then the movie came out in 2009. 2010 production Camaro 2015 Camaro. Last year for the Zeta. and the Alpha Camaro 2018 side profile Again, versus the Zeta platform In now...a decade...literally, the changes are small. The Challenger has got mind blowing marketed Hellcats, Demons and refreshes that are beautiful to augment their sales slightly. The Camaro has stumbled. But yet, STILL sell 50 000 units per year or more since 2016. On the decline, but nothing that a new styling direction cannot fix... The Mustang is just the benchmark in sales that both the Challenger and Camaro have ALWAYS been chasing and the Pontiac Trans Am and Plymouth 'Cuda STOPPED chasing...

There are 'accident' reports and 'incident' reports- police at their discretion (lacking property damage or injury) may merely record the 'who-what-when-where' of an incident so there's a record.

I understand the principle behind it because the police have other things to take care of...such as crime. (But what your neighbor is doing now IS crime in itself...its downright fraud) and the reason why I understand this is because the Montreal police ALSO have a similar policy. Well...they strongly suggest you refrain from calling the cops when a mutual police report is filed and the no-fault insurance policy takes over... When an accident has occurred, we file an accident report and both parties involved have to sign the document. If one party is did not sign, it could mean a hit and run. A criminal act. If one party does not agree to the accident report, then he files his own. BUT...there is a report or two, being filed. Information being exchanged. Name. addresses and phone numbers. Proof of insurance and valid drivers license. Little diagram of how the accident happened.... The police intervening in a normal accident, well, they just keep the peace and possibly control the traffic. But the accident report is filed in the same manner. The police do not take sides. If asked, they will just report on what they saw upon arrival. Unless of course they witnessed the accident happening... The police is REQUIRE to be called when personal injury is made or property is damaged BUT if one party calls the police to the scene of an accident, no matter where the accident happens to occur, they WILL come. Can you file a hit and run report? Is it too late? Because in Montreal, you still have time to report your accident as a hit and run BECAUSE proper information was NOT given to YOU BY the person hitting YOUR car... In Quebec, the person actually hitting another car or property HAS the responsibility of reporting it to either the owner of the vehicle he hit, to the cops or to his insurance. But, BECAUSE in Quebec there is "no fault insurance", that only means the owners of the respective vehicle's insurance is responsible for their own repairs. Your neighbor's insurance is responsible for his accident while your insurance is responsible for your repairs. HOWEVER, if you file a report that YOU have been a victim of a hit and run, OR that your neighbor hit you, it dont matter, the INSURANCE will either file a police report to see if your neighbor has file a report with his insurance and get your neighbor that way or if your neighbor mentioned that he hit you in his report...then YOUR insurance WILL claim something from HIS insurance...but most importantly...YOUR premiums will NOT go up while his will. And if HE claimed a false report, HE will be facing some legal action from either his insurance or police or both AND his insurance premiums WILL go up. That would be in Quebec... Like I said, in Quebec, its not too late to file a hit and run report...and when its time to repair your car, the insurance claims adjuster will not only assess what is to be repaired, but will assess how your accident came to be. And if YOUR claim seems to be false...well..your insurance will have some questions for you to answer....and maybe the police as well...

Yes, sadly it will be a lesson learned. The good thing is that it should get a bumper- and it won’t be broken. From here on out there will be insurance. The worse part is that is said she was talking to her insurance company. ? Sinec the Cobalt is in beater status (mind you, and well cared for beater) it only has basic insurance on it now anyways. Not to mention even with such simple damage most companies would total it at that age. Hopefully the. Balt will at least get a new bumper. Sadly, this is not the first time it has been hit while parked. I watched it get hit in a parking lot, and they drove away. No tags on the car either! Still has that dent too....poor Balt! ?

For something like a parking lot or in front of a home-usually no. Now if there is injury or property damage, then they will....

@oldshurst442 @riviera74 Chevrolet has shown and proven that a EV Camaro Coupe can still inspire and hold it's own at the Race track. Add a SS Inspired CUV like my Trailblazer SS as an EV to the family I believe could truly be different and yet inspiring to those that do not care about cars. This would keep many customers happy with an AWD SS Camaro CUV EV.

If you call and summon them (the police) to present themselves at the scene of an accident, they wont come?

Sadly, when it happens in a parking lot or in front of your home (where mine happened) they rarely come out at all....

In order for Chevy to completely be consistent with the Mustang v Camaro that dates back to 1967, Chevrolet needs to KEEP the coupe alive with a replacement car as well. There is still no word on what the future holds for a Camaro car. I am down with an EV Camaro. Car and CUV. What I am NOT down with is if there is no Camaro car but CUV Camaro instead regardless if the CUV Camaro is EV. Camaro still sells well. Just looking at Camaro numbers, they are on a decline, sure, but Camaro still sold 50 000 units in 2018 year and 48 000 units in 2019. Those are respectable numbers for a niche car. When looking at the competition, we always look at Mustang and Challenger and their sales. Why dont we look at the other competition? Nissan 370Z. From 2010, this sports coupe has gone from 10 000 units sold and has declined to 7000 units to 5000 units to just 3000 and 2000 the last two years. Toyota Supra In the last 8-9 months this coupe has been on sale, it has sold 4000 units. Yes yes...coronavirus and all. BUT...this coupe is ALL NEW for 2019 and had 6 months in 2019 to rack up the sales. BEFORE coronavirus hit. And it didnt...do anything in the marketplace. Camaro as funny as it may seem, sold TRIPLE of those amounts in the same time frame as the Supra. I understand the Supra has a 40% higher price difference, over the Camaro and even the 370Z, but still. The Corvette which has an EVEN MORE higher price tag than the Supra sold 17 000 units on an older platform in 2019 and sold out immediately on the new platform which topped out at 50 000 units? 60 000 units? 70 000 units? I dont know how many units, but there is no excuse for low low Supra totals as the Supra is an icon in the sports car world. Mazda Miata Not direct competitor as the Miata and Camaro are two different types of sport cars, but the Miata still falls in the 2 door, sports car, starting price @ $25 000 realm. 11 000 , twice 9000 and 7000 units the last 4 years. And we all say that the Miata is well loved in the marketplace... All to say...48 000 units in 2019 on a now, old platform is amazing. There IS an audience for a Camaro coupe car, and I would think the car IS profitable. If it aint, THAT would be more of a GM engineering/product development problem rather than a Camaro not selling problem. Because the Camaro is still loved by Americans and the sales numbers PROVE that.

Always call the cops if you're in an accident. Although it is easier for police to assign blame when the accident occurs on a public road (where they would have jurisdiction) than it is in a parking lot. At least that's how it is in PA.

Took a road trip into the Commonwealth of Ocnblu today. Saw TONS of stuff randomly scattered. Beaut of a day today & folks have to be getting itchy. I've never had such a good sighting day. Unfortunately I was drivin / GPS'in, so only got 1 pic : '41 Ford convert, med blue, mint restored, top-down cruising '60 Cadillac Series 62 convert, white, exc shape, top down, gassin' up '68 Olds 442, primer grey, done up drag car/gasser style, rumbling down road circa '70 Chevy C-10 pickup, fenderside, restored stock, light blue, pulling trailer w/ lawn tractor '63 Sport Fury 2-dr hardtop, white, mint restored, cruisin' '72 Torino 2-dr hardtop, medium-dark green, solid but unrestored, parked next to barn circa '60 Studebaker Champ pickup, black, unrestored/tired, parked as advertising by antique dealer '57 Chevy 4-dr wagon, medium-light blue, mint restored, crusin' circa '40 Pickup, grey/teal color, didn't get the make, parked at business '69 GTO 'Judge' convert, looked restored, likely a clone, Orbit Orange, parked at repair shop '69 Dodge Polara 2-dr hardtop, rust & orange, sitting at hot rod shop, tired but still lookin mean '67 Ford Fairlane 2-dr hardtop, dark green, very clean, parked in driveway 70-74 Challenger hardtop, red, saw for a distance but recognized the quarter panel gas cap '55 Chevy gasser, getting pizza in same shop I did :

Yikes! Almost as bad as the ricers....

@Robert Hall So sorry about Zo....I totally understand. I’ve been around dogs all my life- they are pretty much like having kids. Our Bella goes through surgery tomorrow...hoping everything will go well. It is tougher as they get older, as Bella is 10. They say things should be okay-but you truly never know...

I am certain, if links were provided, the list of anti-Trump comments by you (of all people, a Canadian with no skin in the game) and others here would be much longer and more vitriolic than anything posted from the other side. Stand up straight, wash your face and hands and dry those tears. Don't you think your ranting is an unorthodox way to celebrate Easter? Where do you hide your eggs, anyhow? Are you in pain from clenching? Hint: downvotes do not require a twelve page rant in reply. Downvotes are simple and sweet and should be ignored if one finds them problematic. Notice, if you will, my snarky, one-sentence reference to the former vice president only came AFTER multiple disparaging comments from the left side of the room. I never start political tangents in here, I only reply to them.

Searching for all kinds of Boeing 747 pics on the net, because I love this airplane, I came across this 747 Airforce One pic that I found particularly interesting. Front and center is the President's ride while in the background is his own. I think its a great picture to share with you guys.

Sadly, too late here to do it.... We have no fault in Michigan too, and regardless with who is at fault-my insurance would have to pick it up. Then maybe sue the other person. And the Balt only has basic insurance on it due to age and mileage....so again it falls on me.. ?

Correction: If its a CUV, regardless if its EV or ICE, its an appliance, no way around it...

Blow it out your ass. This forum, Cheers & Gears, is not about politics, yet you and other butthurt individuals continue to interject the topic into otherwise innocuous comments. The rules state... NO POLITICS. I sit and watch multiple asinine comments... I post once from the other side and look at the effing explosion of diarrhea spitting from your Canadian lips. You worry about Trudeau, let us worry about Trump.

If it's an EV, it is an appliance, no way around it.

olds, what I stated about the e-COPO is true, it got no bids. Why the downvote on facts? https://www.thedrive.com/news/29764/chevrolets-tire-shredding-ecopo-camaro-fails-to-sell-at-auction

Entertaining, and very easy to wind up. ❤️

Well, the Supra is a hybrid, which has bred contempt for it. The "Mustang" CUV, regardless of motive power, is a fundamentally bad idea. Any "Camaro" CUV would be dead in the water, and a very cynical move on GM's part. A Mustang is a Mustang. A Camaro is a Camaro, a Challenger is a Challenger, same as ever, same forever.

Chevrolet has shown and proven that a EV Camaro Coupe can still inspire Well it didn't inspire anyone to bid on it when it went up for a much-ballyhooed auction, where it was expected to bring $500k. Zero interest.