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That’s just not true about past products. The only manufacturer that is consistently tight on the Show to Release window is Honda. All of the others have been all over the place. The Camaro and Bronco had a long run up to production. Production can start as early as May 2024 and it will still be a 2025 model…. So 12 months. That’s actually pretty typical for everyone except Honda for a new model.

Yeah, the rear pretty much has the same exact issue going on.. It just sucks to look at. That's disappointing to me because I'm on board with EVs and I've pretty much loved the S Class since 2000.. but their blend of those two things is just horrible.

So it's more of an "everybody has an issue" type of thing, right? The only truly reasonably priced EVs are the Bolt, Bolt EUV and Leaf. Everything else is pretty insane for the size of vehicle you're getting.

You can now install Cheers & Gears as an app on your phone and tablet. It's not in the app store; it's called a Progressive Web App, or PWA for short. The advantages are you can get notifications on your phone (don't worry, they're configurable, I'll show you further down) when someone replies to your post or sends you a message. iOS (16.4 and up) Make sure you're on the latest iOS version. iOS 16.4 was released on March 27th, 2023 and is the minimum for this process to work on Apple devices. On iOS devices, open Cheers & Gears in Safari and click the share icon at the bottom of the Safari window. Then scroll down to Add to Homescreen. Tada! You now have an icon for Cheers & Gears. Android I don't know the minimum Android version, but it works on a Pixel XL running Android 10 from September 2019, if your device is older than that, it's time for a new phone. On Android devices, open Cheers & Gears in Chrome Click the three verticle dots in the upper right corner and scroll down to Install. This will add Cheers & Gears to your app drawer and you'll need to move it to your home screen if you wish. On both iOS and Android, you will need to log in from your new app icon before proceeding. Both systems treat this as a new app and will not copy your login from Safari or Chrome. Adjusting Notifications Now that you have the app installed, you may want to adjust your settings. From inside the new app, after you've logged in, click the Menu Hamburger icon in the upper right, click the notification bell, then click notification settings or click this link Scroll to the bottom of the page and find the section "Notification Types Available" and enable notifications. Once enabled, scroll up and adjust the various content types to your liking. To get notifications on your phone, select the Notification + Push Option. Now that I'm getting notifications on my phone, I also uncheck the e-mail notification option to keep my inbox clean. The PWA does not yet support notification badges, but I expect it will soon. Enabling this technology on the iOS side was a bit of a surprise from Apple in the recent update, so the software developer that makes the software for Cheers & Gears wasn't super ready for it.

Honda / Acura is really behind on EVs. That's why they're using GM's Ultium and partnering with Sony for everything.

You mean the company that hasn't changed the design of their first sedan since it came out in 2013 (save for bits and unnoticeable pieces)? It's 2023 and we talking 2025, a whole TWO years. I've seen longer future talk and any number of companies since well, ever. That is not a new practice. It only seems that no because companies are attempting to push a lot of product in a relatively short period of time. About the delays hell, it could show up one year late and still be ready to actually sell before the Cybertruck (a joke but I'm really not that far off). As long as they don't have a Tesla like delay with it, they will be fine. EV dude. EV. That is why. They spent billions on EVs so advertise now, not two months before it actually comes out like old GM. It's not rocket science.

Thank you! This year of Firebird over the equivalent year of Camaro. Easy. This was the top of the heap for the Firebird, whether base, Esprit, Formula, or Trans Am. With their revised front fascias, '77 and '78 were cringeworthy. - - - - - Here we go. One periodically sees what celebs are up to on one's homepage, so I Googled "Deborah Harry today," and of all the images that came up, this one was the klassiest. She's better behaved in the other photos.

Compare that 1977 GP to the 1978-87 models: which one is better?

I thought they would assemble it in South Korea. Good thing they are building it here instead.

Very Cool that GM has won a contract to build the next troop transport fast response vehicle. GM Defense Receives Full-Rate Production Decision from U.S. Army for Infantry Squad Vehicle Program (gmdefensellc.com) GM Defense: Driving the Future of Military Mobility | GM Defense L.L.C. (gmdefensellc.com)

@surreal1272 @ccap41 @smk4565 Todays press release for the EV9 is pretty much a release of what I covered here in the story, but they did add the following to the press release. INTRODUCING THE 2024 KIA EV9: MODERN REFINEMENT AND ALL-ELECTRIC CAPABILITY ESTABLISH A NEW INDUSTRY TOUCHSTONE (kiamedia.com) EV9 Availability The EV9 is expected to debut in the U.S. in Q4 2023, and it is expected to be assembled in West Point, Ga., beginning in 2024, making it the first Kia EV to be assembled locally.* Pricing, timing for U.S. market availability, specific trim details, and EPA-rated AER for the EV9 are subject to future announcements. This pretty much tells us that in Q4 of 2023 we will get pricing on their first made in America EV.

Last night, I realized something. I know some of the neighbors I see around, and might even know some of their names. However, I know all the dogs and their names even better.

I think that leads to the jellybean styling though so, I kind of agree with him there. While it isn't the entire issue with their aesthetics, I think it's a big part in how it's all shaped together. If you brought that down it would look much more S Class-like, which I think everybody agrees is an attractive shape. Also, sorry for the garbage drawing on the EQS, I can't smoothly navigate a mouse to draw for the life of me. Hahaha

The funniest part is how he thinks the high cowl on the Jellybean twins is the only issue with them.

I find it highly suspect that GM is #2 on that list. I expect they are being outsold by Hyundai. Hyundai and Kia count their sales separately, but Genesis sales get counted in with Hyundai as the parent company. Even if GM is actually number 2, the Ioniq 6, GV60, and GV70E are on the lots today, so that position won't last long. Ultium production ramp-up is painfully slow. The Hummers were on a stop-sale for the entire first quarter. I'm not expecting to see my EValanche until 2025 at the very earliest.

Genesis has released their GV60 EV which is being produced here in the U.S. and said that all models up through the GV 90 EV will be coming as they expand to support EV production in the U.S.

Update, seems GM has taken the #2 spot in the U.S. for EV sales. GM passes Ford to take No. 2 spot in EV sales behind Tesla | AP News GM is now the second-largest EV maker in the US | Engadget January to March EV Deliveries: Tesla - 161,630 GM - 20,670 Ford - 10,866 Volkswagen - 9,658 Hyundai Kia Interesting is that no one says what Hyundai / Kia EV sales are and looking at their quarterly reports, they do not break them out of overall sales. AP News does state that at this time in 2022, EVs made up a 5.8% market share in the U.S. and now 1 year later it is 7.2% or just over 258,000 EVs sold in the U.S for the first quarter putting the U.S. market on track to sell 1 million plus EVs this year.

@oldshurst442 @ccap41 @surreal1272 @riviera74 @trinacriabob @Robert Hall @Drew Dowdell @Cmicasa the Great Seems GM has not totally forgotten cars as their design team has published this to their instagram account for people feedback on if a Coupe EV would be of interest to the public. Using the Design language from the CELESTIQ.

Race cars and near-race cars do not make good daily drivers.

Ive had this jingle in my head today. I like the late 60's bubble gum rock style guitar twang. And the lyrics... I dig the lyrics. I think my signature had something to do with it... Anyway... if Im posting this jingle in the beautiful cars thread, I think you all know what Im gonna post...

There was somebody's birthday...um 50th...on Wednseday (*cough* mine *cough*)...so to honour this awesome poster, I will post some 50th anniversary badged cars. It so happens to be on this thread's 50th page so its befitting. Its a divine sign for this divine poster... (clears throat)

The Firebird pic went away from this website, I found it again so I could re-post it. Its a beautiful picture. Beautiful scene. Beautiful car. But just in case it goes away again, I will find another convertible Firebird to post to compensate and for us to enjoy another beautiful car that is the 1st gen Firebird.

They are way behind, but using advertising dollars on a CGI or clay model of a concept car that is way far from production, vs using your advertising on Inegras or RDX's that you can sell today makes no sense. This isn't even close to proaction, yet was getting advertising spend 6 months ago. So deep down they know ICE is dead and Tesla will pass Honda in 2025 I bet. As far as the Ram REV goes, it looks like they are positioning this as a $100k luxury truck, when they need a volume $50k truck. Maybe that will follow, but they better get it going fast or the Cybertruck will take all Ram's sales too, because Tesla will have scale.

These are the idiots that have more money than brains and are showing off in the wrong place. What a waste and yet this is also why these Hellcats will go up in value due to idiots destroying them.