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exactly.So, MarioBro88...how old are you again? And why do you keep dodging this question?

No $h!...and even if it were a straight rebadge...it's a hell of a lot more modern of a package than the GTO was...oh yea...and no gas tank in the trunk!

Yea that's pretty nuts

I just don't understand the point of a vehicle only being around for 1 MY.

Except the GTO looked JUST LIKE the Grand prix...from 1997. dated styling was the problem. the GTO had all the Pontisc design DNA.

And how's it working out on those other cars? TORQUE STEER!

No, because high beams are the worst for fog.

wait...is Terrance & Philip real? I thought it was just on Southpark...???

I think you missed the part of my post about modern styling. The GTO looked like a 1997 Grand Prix at introduction. The Commodore does not.Your move.

Your welcome...this thread's been pissing me off. *I* for one cannot wait to drive the new Pontiacs from down under.

See my post above.

Seriously? Bring it as a Pontiac. It will sell. If all y'all are gonna bitch about a very well-executed RWD sedan with modern styling being sold as a Pontiac just because it doesn't have a Pontiac "soul" coming from Australia...then just kill Pontiac now because mass America doesn't care about Pontiac, and the enthusiasts that do are rejecting the brand.

No, it's damned amazing!There's a good chance I might own one of these in 2 years.

The NEW SRX interior is amazing. See evok's comments on page 2 of the 2007 SRX thread for verification.

Ummm...it was revealed to dealers a YEAR AGO in Vegas...but honestly I highly doubt it's coming at this point. As far as "looking like the Chinese version" well duh they're both W-bodies. BUT...it won't be just like the Chinese version.

...and I hate how they prevent me from killing myself by sliding into crosstraffic and getting slammed by a semi during snowy weather[/emo]

Please tell me you're joking and really aren't that stupid!

See...I think the biggest problem with the STS is its $h!ty interior. Its exterior design is bland...but the interior is just $h!ty. It photos well, but in-person inspections reveal poor quality.

Damn beat me to it! :AH-HA_wink:

How is it that cheap? My father got a loaded Level III with the sport package and with his vinyl roof and bling tires turned out to be $60k.

Why? Give reasons...cuz that seems like a silly idea but I wanna hear your reasoning.

and these laws are protecting life. Public health, public safety, public wellfare and public morals are all valid reasons to enact legislation on a local level. Trans fats falls into public health and public wellfare...and to a lesser extent public safety. I'm sure someone would try to make a case for the "morality" of trans fats but I think that's bunk. They are not enacting social movements...they are lending support to a pre-existing one.If you think the FDA and CPSC will always take care of you, then you need to do a quick Google search on all the times they've dropped the ball. Actually, New Yorkers are protecting other New Yorkers with this...totally relevant.

To answer your questions Fly: When a consumer buys a product at the store, the list of ingredients is readily available. Not so at a restaurant. More importantly, though...this kind of legislation has already raised awareness...not only in NY but also on this message board. Yea, banning them from restaurants does nothing to the processed stuff in the stores directly, but it's a step in the process to ban them from everything we eat. For example...Frito Lay has eliminated all trans fats. Kraft has eliminated most trans fats...do your Doritos taste like $h! because of it? Nope... Why did Kraft start eliminating them? Because they were sued over Oreos and the Oreo Challenge they used to market in schools. Kraft settled the suit and vowed to eliminate trans fats from Oreos and begin to eliminate them from the rest of the lineup as part of the terms of the settlement. All of these measures are steps. If NYC and Chicago ban trans fats, that will give great momentum to the ball that's started rolling against trans fats in general. The processed food industry will be next. Also, one more thing to note...this isn't just an argument against fat in general. Fat is most definitely part of a diet, in moderation, because you NEED some fat to survive. The problem with trans fats is that they settle around the abdomen and heart (around all the vital organs), they specifically raise the bad cholesterol and lower the good cholesterol. These fats are synthetic (except in some dairy products, where they occur naturally in extremely small amounts), and they are particularly unhealthy. In making the change to a non-trans fat ingredient, the product will likely have about the same overall nutritional information, but the fat component will be far less unhealthy of a fat component.

Heh...I do love this vehicle, not gonna lie...

Yea...that definitely classifies as "weather" and we don't have much of that here...