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I do not know if it is still available, but I have used the NHTSA website in the past to access such information.

Of course it has nothing to do with the topic at hand; it's just ocnblu making a childish remark about the M-Class I drive that in his mind invalidates the comments I made about the Torrent. Yea, I dunno either...especially since I have been pretty forthright about the quality problems I've experienced with the M-Class.

Bingo.

Saturn is getting the Outlook; production is merely starting 2 months later than originally thought. Old news.

Every review I have read has mentioned the crude, "basic" and "utilitarian" nature of the Equinox. Having driven the Equinox, I can attest that it is indeed crude and lacking refinement in many areas; that said, it is very good at what it is: a cheap, practical, stylish (exterior only) SUV. Well, the Torrent is an Equinox with very little differentiation, so its mention is quite appropriate. Since the two are priced in the same bracket, the flaws of one will be flaws in the other. Also, the Equinox has been selling well for a few years, so I don't think the survival of the platform is in jeopardy. Whenever I have driven a vehicle that produced an unusually large number of rattles and creaks, I know I've gone online and viewed the TSBs to satisfy my curiosity. Don't tell me that you never thought the same thing when GM recalled all those cars in 2000 for seat belt locking mechanisms that were too hard to unlatch. I'd like everyone reading this thread to raise his or her hand if he or she truly believes the Pontiac Torrent is a high-quality, well-made vehicle. Oh, and FOG, don't bother raising yours because you were one of the first to bash the Torrent when you found out it was an Equinox rebadge.

Lutz said "performance car." Therefore the LaCrosse is out of the question. Hello...FWD isn't "performance" by any stretch of the imagination. My bet is on some Zeta model for greater economies of scale on the platform.

Fair review. I didn't think it was harsh, plus he said it was atypical of recent GMs.

This is most likely a test mule for the 2008/2009 CTS.

Thank you for this great insight into the new Pontiac small car. Also, thank you for giving insight completely on-topic and devoid of any attitude or personal attacks whatsoever since we all know that only teenagers would stoop so low because let's face it, teenagers have no real world skills, whine all the time and are clearly far more immature than such esteemed posters such as yourself.

Remember, kids...NOS...use of the :sign0200: smilie will result in a warning...

But flaws should be mentioned, and some people/things are much more flawed than others...

The rear DVD system should have its own slot; at least that is what GM has done in the past. To clarify, though...there shouldn't be an extra slot on the dash; the slot should be with the rest of the rear DVD system in an overhead console just aft of the sunroof. The following link goes to the Escalade website, and if you click the Features tab, you can view a video on the multimedia options, including the rear-DVD. While not completely shown on camera, it appears that the DVD player sits above the flip down screen. Also, while in Park, the DVD Navigation system can also play movies.

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I love the concept's interior...

Ford

I love it!

Yea...sit inside a Zephyr/MKZ and then tell me about how "sickeningly similar" they are. There are a LOT of features in the Zephyr that are not in the Fusion at any price point. By the way, get your facts straight; the Zephyr/MKZ starts under $30k and maxes out at less than $35.5k.

I kinda hope so, what with the Cobalt already having Pontiac taillights...

Is your post referring exclusively to the GM models? It kinda reads like it, but are these things to look for with Ford trucks as well? Any issues with the Fords?

Expedition then, unless you think you'll need the extra room only a Suburban/Yukon XL has. Crosscheck the largest dimension fridge you'll have to haul and the SUVs. IMO the pre-freshening Expedition is superior to the GMT-800s in all areas but towing (and lack of an extended model). The dash will certainly rattle less.EDIT: If covered cargo carrying isn't required and you could buy a truck, get the F-150. Best truck on the market (since I cannot vouch for the GMT900s and you aren't going new either).

1) Say nothing...though you can feel free to laugh. 2) Say something, but be prepared to feel awkward.

There have been other, related rumors that the sedan might be sold too. It already is known as the G4 in Mexico. Again, I've used the words "rumor" and "rumors" because it is just speculation...albeit credible speculation...

Hey, I agree, though I'm just sorting out info I have heard before. You know what is really stupid? Canada now has the Pursuit sedan and the mechanically identical G5 coupe. Seems a bit backward to me...

The Enclave looks good, as always. Cannot wait to see the production version. I'm glad Lucerne is selling so well, though it is too decontented for its segment. It seems when Buick decided to replace LeSabre and Park Avenue with one car they made it 90% LeSabre and 10% Park Avenue. Bad choice (except in the styling department). That said, Lucerne is very competent, though it is in dire need of more features and higher-quality dash materials (and I'd like a bit more wood, though not a deal-breaker). The exterior is perfect. Change nothing. LaCrosse? They still make that thing? Party at my house when the last W-body rolls off the assembly line...