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Red USC hoodie for me...

Since I don't have any data of my own I will take your word for it, though those two cars don't LOOK to me like they are on that platform...

No, the 9-5 is not on a GM platform, and the last-gen 9-3/900 was not either. To be sure I do not know what platform it was, my guess being something related to either FIAT or Alfa Romeo.

You wanna talk twilight zone? There was a Vauxhaul parked at 30th and University this morning. Seriously...talk about random!

The difference is in the semantics. One is active voice, the other is passive. World of difference between SAAB spending GM's money with no result (in which case I would agree with selling SAAB) versus GM losing money on it. It's an investment: If an investor has an investment and the stock price keeps going down, the company isn't spending the investor's money, the investor is losing money on the investment. BIG DIFFERENCE (IMO)

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I really like the headlight covers on the Alpine. Renault was ahead of its time with those... As for the Fuego, it looks no worse than any other 80s car...

My original post had nothing to do with GM's mismanagement of SAAB or neglect of SAAB's line-up. He only took exception the the "SAAB has burned through a lot of GM dollars" comment. Please reread my original post for verification. Your point is different from his "exception". No, Turbo is correct. "SAAB burning through GM cash" sounds like SAAB is receiving money from GM with unprofitable results. The reality is that GM hasn't done hardly anything with SAAB, and that any money SAAB has "cost" GM is because GM has made such a ridiculously minimal investment in SAAB and SAAB is still unprofitable, just like they were when GM bought them! Again, the Epsilons, 9-7X, and 9-5 refresh are maybe enough to push SAAB into the black...and that STILL is a pretty minimal investment. Think what SAAB could do for GM if actually given the chance! In other words, SAAB isn't "burning through GM's cash" like a teenaged Beverly Hills girl with an extension on daddy's credit card; rather, GM keeps paying the hospital to keep the patient on life support.

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I love my Cali!!

I think SAAB should stay in the U.S.; I just think it is ridiculous how some people are almost making it out that selling SAAB will return GM to profitability. The only changes GM needs to make with regards to SAAB is to keep developing vehicles! SAAB really needs something like the recently-cancelled 9-6X. GM should have waited longer on the whole Subaru thing just for that reason IMO. The Tribeca is a great vehicle if you can get past the grille, and a SAAB version would have been extremely competent as well.

I'm pretty sure GM has broken even on the GMT-360s and the Epsilons. Your quote really proved my point...that GM isn't doing anything with SAAB, therefore SAAB is not the problem, GM is. Why would SAAB sales jump dramatically with the same lineup just because GM bought them? Now GM is finally starting to do stuff with SAAB. The results should be good...

I don't have access to that information. Maybe one of our insiders can oblige? That said...IMO if you want to accuse SAAB of "burning through" GM's cash you should at least have some proof of those allegations.

IIIIIIIIIIIIII know! This, coming from the same guy who posts pictures of girls from porn sites, underage-looking girls from porn sites, and any picture involving a slutty girl and a Camaro...Can you say "double standard"?

Agreed.

How much money of GM's has SAAB "burned through"? See, I take exception to that. I would like to see an allocation of this money that SAAB has just "burned." Since GM took over SAAB (wholly owned), I would like to see the dollar figure of all GM's SAAB expenditures. I would then like to see where this money went. Obviously, if SAAB spent it, it had to go somewhere. Now, I would like to see how much money other GM divisions "burned through." What has GM done for SAAB? 9-3 9-3 SportCombi 9-3 Convertible 9-5 Refreshes 9-7X 9-2X ok now let's put on the serious caps here for a minute: How much money do you think the SAAB 9-5, 9-7X and 9-2X really cost GM? Were these big investments? What about the 9-3? Was this a big investment? Was it a good use of money? Has the 9-3 lineup increased SAAB sales? Now...these are just questions to ponder, but for the short time GM has had SAAB, I really don't think the money SAAB just "burned through" is really all that much. I also think that when GM does invest in SAAB, the results pay off. The SAAB Epsilons are proof of this IMO.

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GM is going to keep HUMMER and GM is, at least at this point, going to keep SAAB. SAAB might actually be in the black this year!

I laughed out loud when reading this part!

cmatt: Never did I think you would be one to defend an obvious troll on this site. Seriously, lay off the Kool Aid Oh, Return Count: 5

BAN THE MAN!!

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Buickman Return Count: 3 Seriously, this guy is very pathetic. Only a very lonely person would keep returning when he is no longer welcome.

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