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Cool members? Most of the mods, a few members, and everyone in SoCal.

Are you for real? Fly has much better things to do than go around f@#king with people's sigs.

It's so immature, that's what it is. PM him, email him, phone him if you've traded numbers, but keep this trash off the boards!!!!!

Dude...I'm sure you're really cool...but your little infatuation with BV is getting pretty annyoing. Several members have asked you to tone it down, and I'm asking again. It's out of hand, please for the love of everything sacred and good stop!

This is also true. The overall lines seem pretty generic in the high beltline/small greenhouse look of the Chrysler LX cars. I do like what GM did to the rear, and the front for the most part is good (I don't think I care for the beaked grille), but the sides do seem a bit bland.Again, who wants a convertible you cant hang your arm out of comfortably? I'll say this: I think this was retro done very tastefully, but I am sick of retro. It is boring, it lacks imagination. The fact that several of you enthusiasts pointed out "this line is from this year" and "that line is from that year" just says it to me...It is derivative, not necessarily of any other vehicle, but of its own self. With the exception of the first-gen, you can tell a car is a Corvette even though they don't all look completely evolutionary. Same should be with the Camaro in my opinion, especially since design cannot move forward if it keeps looking backward. Again, this is one of the more tastefully-done retro cars, but I still wish it could have been more thoroughly modern.

Yea...and the Camaro design? Not so low-slung. Think about those wheels. Those are really huge wheels. 21" or 22". That's massive. Yet, they don't look huge due to the overall massiveness of the design. I said NOTHING about losing the lines. I think the concept is good overall, but not great. Keep the general lines, but lower the beltline. Don't put words in my mouth. No one wants a homogenized design. Nowhere was that stated. You made that up in your head. The Camaro should be a car, not a rolling bunker. With that high of a beltline and those narrow slits for windows, it is just a bit much. Oh, and as for the Camaro's heritage? Don't even try to tell me the convertible aspect is not important to its success because I will have to laugh.

"like" is San Fernando Valley...and somehow the government-funded extermination program of equipping cell-phone wielding bimbos with driver's licenses has failed to get them all. Some girl was chatting very obnoxiously, and I was, all, like, you know...OH MY GOD!!!!!!! Ocn, you forget I'm from Indiana...and because my parents speak proper English and I went to good schools, I am routinely told out here I have no accent (unless I get really mad, and only on a few words...like "hell" becomes "hail" and "anybody" can sound like "eenybody"). I come out to California...aaaaaaaand...no accent. Except for a few people here and there that do the "O" thing. Or the Spicoli surfer/stoner "accent."

BV...I don't believe you. Guys...C'mon now...:AH-HA_wink:

Fusion is incredible compared to the G6. Now, if the choice were between the SAAB 9-3 and the Fusion/Milan, it would be tough, but the 9-3 might edge out the Milan.Before you ignorantly call me an import-hater, why don't you find my post where I went through all the interior impressions of the autoshow? Except for the SAAB 9-3 line, there was NOTHING GM I really liked.

Ummmmmm...Sixty8, I have a question for you: Do you really think that a Camaro (if produced) would NOT have a convertible? The "if it were a hardtop" was referring to a specifically-produced car. As in "If it were a convertible, this would be a problem, and if it were a hardtop, this problem would still exist." It's called proper grammar, you should check into it Seriously, re-read the post. Even being a hardtop, or the convertible, or whatever body style someone bought, the negative ramifications resulting from a high beltline would be a deterrent, especially in comparison to the Mustang, which has a design far more conducive to open-air touring. NOS: I said nothing about trunk space. Sixty8 as usual misinterpreted what I said, which was "trunk access." I agree with you that in this class, trunk space isn't all that important. But access still is. My biggest question is why they made the trunklid the way they did. Why doesn't it extend down the rear to the bumper like virtually every other car? With it the way it currently is, one would have to lift things OVER the rear and into the trunk, and as another poster mentioned a few days ago, that is a big negative. Finally, I am well aware this is a concept, but some things need to be addressed, ESPECIALLY if they are asking "SHOULD WE PRODUCE THIS??" My answer? They should produce a Camaro based on this design with a completely different interior, a lower beltline (which would reduce the heavy-handedness of the design and also not require such massive wheels for balance of proportions), and with a better rear decklid. As is, it is a good start.

YOU THINK THE G6 IS ON PAR WITH THE FUSION????OK...This debate is over and done with right now...If you don't like Ford for whatever reason and have a soft spot for GM, that's great, but please, for the love of God, be OBJECTIVE! The G6 is so full of hard, poorly-grained plastic and doesn't compare at all to the Fusion except unfavorably. Now the design is pretty minimalist in the Ford and Mercury versions, but the quality of materials are top notch. For that price point on those cars, those materials are well above average.

Doubtful.

People who look at it and see the massive design flaws:1) For a car with such a storied open-air history, why is the beltline so high, and why is the greenhouse so small? That design doesn't lend itself well at all to an open-air experience. If it were one of your beloved hardtops the situation would be even worse, since there would be very little window-down open space. Not good. 2) Trunk access was clearly an afterthought. They could have and should have designed something more production-friendly. 3) The interior is a joke--no way it will go to production. And I think most of the public picked up on that. Overall it is a decent effort by GM, but "as is" (which the poll is about) I can see why upwards of 30% have said "Bag It."

They might as well go for it...I say it looks pretty hot.

No, I don't think so. Obviously there will be a few expressions, but a lot of the slang starts here and goes to the midwest and east through movies and tv. Ever say "whoa, that was intense!"? Yea...started here.Other than "hella" I can't think of anything unusual... As for the "accent" there really isn't one. Only thing I've noticed is some people pronounce their long "O" sounds with a kinda subtle long "A" sound that rounds out into an O...Think "stoner accent" but not in slow speed of speech.

At LAIAS it was one of the very few interiors that impressed our group. The little classy touches Ford has put in there really help. Instead of posting pictures, why don't you just sit in one and feel the dash? Then you can actually see for yourself.

If your house is downstream (groundwater flow) it could very well be the farms.

BV, you live on a farm, correct? The rotten eggs smell is a result of sulphur released from the decomposition of organic matter, often found in farming communities.

You haven't sat in the Fusion, unless you didn't touch anything at all. There is plenty of squishy material in the Fusion. It is a very well-done interior.

My mom is strictly Talbots.

I know it is no longer available, but the color was made for the CTS, costs were spread out by offering it on the GP...and it was discontinued on the CTS. I was just saying it was FIRST on the CTS. I don't think that color on the CTS is an anachromism...bright color, but CTS is def sporty and wasn't used as a cost spreader anyway.

OK, you got me on the San Juan plate... Yes, the Pacific Ocean is shrinking, and the Atlantic Ocean is growing. In a few million years we will be saying hello to Korea and China, if we aren't up in NoCal...

You sure? The CTS debuted that color, and I remember that my local dealership debuted the CTS in that color, as well as the local autoshow that year... "Copper Sunburst" was the name...

If it were on a continental plate, yes, it would be on a different continental plate, but not another continent. I think (but am not certain) that Catalina is the remnants of an old island chain resulting from hot spot volcanic activity. Eventually, Catalina should get slammed into SoCal.Continents are land masses, geology deals with plates. There are so many faults in the world that go through land. Most of N.A. is on the North American plate, and the westernmost part of this country is actually on the Pacific plate. Same continent, different plate.

I don't see styling similarities between Cav and GTO...the proportions are a bit different.