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So a "Large Car" is between midsize and fullsize then? Like I stated earlier it's a tweener. I never said it wasn't a large car, but it's not as large or roomy as the CT6. CT6 is definitely on a whole nother level and a much better car.

Did you see where Robert compared the fullsize Impala which is FWD? That's what I'm talking about. "In fact, the wheelbase is about 9 inches longer than the full size Impala." Edited 2 hours ago by Robert Hall Exactly, current high tech. with high strength steel, aluminum, magnesium and other light weight metals to cut weight and increase mpg's. 3 Series isn't even the same class and you know that. I'm talking about the same class of cars. Also, the 3 Series is huge for it's class now, not the E36 3 Series of yore. Yep, same wheelbase and platform for Impala, LaCrosse and XTS.

Me neither, but this isn't the EPA stating the class of car it's all the automotive experts. https://g.co/kgs/8Brhaj

Can't compare FWD wheelbase to RWD wheelbase cars. Always shorter in FWD form with the transaxle being pushed back near qtr. panel/door gap.

Think it's a tweener, but technically a midsize. Definitely smaller than a CT6 fullsize.

It's considered midsize, see link above. Nowhere near the size or room inside of a CT6, I've driven both.

When a midsize car weighs 4,380 lbs. like the 2019 300 it's time to replace or heavily update, that's a tank in today's standards. https://g.co/kgs/8Brhaj The fullsize 2019 CT6 weighs at most 4,470 lbs. in loaded AWD Blackwing V8 form. https://g.co/kgs/ifidiZ That's latest tech. to old tech. platform design.

Meh, they just don't do it for me bored with it's same basic look for 15 years. To each their own.

I could tell you had a spot reserved for it in your heart It's not a bad looking car just so much of the same. I drove one with a "Hemi" back in 2009 just to see how they were. The dealer had installed aftermarket wheels on it so the suspension and brakes couldn't handle the extra unsprung weight, it drove like a tank and the 5 speed hunted for gears like crazy.

Even the latest LD platform is 9 years old, that's ancient in the automotive world! It needs more than just another minimal refresh like it's had since 2005. It has dinosaur hide for seats at this point!

I don't closely follow Chrysler or MB like some of you on here, but I knew it had to do with at least parts sharing with the E Class in the beginning. Either way it's very long in the tooth and due to get the axe, but FCA is slowing letting it die like many of their models.

Really? Jeez, Daimler/Chrysler really got their money out of that Benz platform, old E Class right? Has to be well over 15 yrs. old by now.

GM was ready for this and knew they'd have to fight the UAW and had the cash to do so. They had $8.1B in net profit to fall back on and set aside some for operational costs and down time during the strike. I was just talking with a buddy who runs a dealership auto body dept., it was getting really bad with fewer and fewer parts available. It wasn't good for the U.S. economy in general that's for sure. The local economy in Detroit was crushed for 40 days as well. Now we'll see how FoMoCo and FCA handle their contracts, not as much cash to fight them either.

Good point, those two need to go too, Fiat for sure. I was just thinking the Domestic side of FCA with the next UAW strike looming. Although I do like the Alfa Ro Guilia Quadrifoglio always have since the new ones came out, neighbor has a bright blue one that looks pretty sweet and the exhaust note is pretty burly for a TTV6. I know they're pretty unreliable still, but it looks different and stands out from the crowd. AR's have a poor reliability image and are too overpriced to be successful.

FCA needs to discontinue Chrysler model vehicles already, they're just hogging capital and plant space.

GM did alright with the contract, but definitely gave more than they wanted. They should have split the difference on healthcare cost %, but got what they wanted in other areas. Glad they're keeping the 4.1 Mil. sq. ft. D-HAM plant open and investing for BEV trucks and SUV's since the Volt, Impala, LaCrosse and XTS are all out and the CT6 production will most likely remain there since it's thankfully staying around and it's already being built there. It was a 60% yeh to 40% neh vote to approve, so there's still thousands of greedy UAW workers that aren't happy with the deal...no surprise.

Where in this whole string did I say GM engineers are always on the ball? I do prefer GM vehicles because I have now and in the past had very good vehicles from Chevrolet, GMC and Cadillac as well as my whole family to include Pontiac when it was still around, but I've also had a BMW 540i and an Audi Q7 in the past as well so I have owned and driven vehicles outside of GM makes and models. We've had 15 - 20 vehicles at one time from Ford, Dodge and GM trucks and vans in our electrical contracting business for the past 35 years and the GM trucks have always held up better and have had a more reliable powertrain (all with the same regular maint.) so I have a reason to like a certain brand of vehicles having owned many different ones. I'm not saying GM is perfect because no brand is, but is there something wrong with being loyal to a brand that's been good to me?

You obviously don't get it poor little Millennial keyboard warrior, but that's ok. Do you need a participation trophy to feel better about yourself? I never said they are using V2V now with 2 cars moron obviously that's why they need other manufacturers onboard. You didn't even know what it was until I brought it up so you're welcome you learned something.

Yep, they're off Broadway just south of Sky Harbor Int. Airport! Pretty sweet looking trucks.

OMG you're the one that's arguing!! You said V2V is useless and I said to read up on it then make an educated comment. Now you say it's "damn near useless" other than "useless" so you're making some progress.

THAT is why GM is working with other manufacturers and why they want to implement it in several other makes and models. Did you read anything that I posted above about how V2V works and how GM is working with other manufacturers to make it work even better?

Not right now it's not, but it could be pretty useful in the future. I didn't and I don't think anyone else on here said that it's in enough vehicles right now. GM has been testing V2V in the Cad. CTS and now CT6 with Gen. 2 Super Cruise. Dude just read up on it before you jump to conclusions and say "it's useless". And try not be childish with immature comments or vulgar language.

Toyota is now working on a similar system and V2V would become available for aftermarket as well. The basics of V2V below. "Not only will GM share the technology with other companies (at a price), as it did with OnStar, but it is working with other companies to set standards, so that other automakers can use the same basic technologies with completely different equipment. Donald Grimm, senior researcher at GM, said that aftermarket kits were likely as well, a possibility because the system will allow for both active and passive transponders. An active transponder uses GPS to figure out where it is, and connects into Stabilitrak (or the vehicle’s other stability control system) to figure out speed and braking, and communicates both to any vehicle within 300 yards. How the vehicle to vehicle (V2V) system works Using vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) communication, a vehicle can detect the position and movement of other vehicles up to a quarter of a mile away. Vehicles will be equipped with a simple antenna, a computer chip, and GPS (Global Positioning System) technology; they will know where the other vehicles are by communicating directly with them, and other vehicles will know where they are -- in blind spots, stopped on the highway but hidden from view around a blind corner or blocked by other vehicles. The vehicles can anticipate and react to changing driving situations and then instantly warn the drivers with chimes, visual icons and seat vibrations. If the driver doesn’t respond to the alerts, the car can bring itself to a safe stop, avoiding a collision. The system would replace the long range scanning sensor for adaptive cruise control, forward vision sensors for object detection, mid-range blind spot detection sensors, and long-range lane change assist sensors. GM has the ability to replace all of these sensors with one advisory sensor that will provide all-around, instantaneous traffic intelligence. This promises a better and significantly less costly way of sensing other vehicles around your car while driving. During a demonstration attended by acarplace in March 2007, GM showed scenarios in which V2V technology can assist drivers. Using V2V communication, the vehicle alerts the driver to vehicles in blind spots with a steady amber light in the side mirror. If the turn signal is activated, a flashing amber light and gentle seat vibration on the side notifies the driver of a potentially dangerous situation. The vibration was enough to get our attention but not a sudden distraction - it was much more subtle than our pager. Pile-ups on congested roads during rush hour due to a chain reaction rear-end collisions could be lessened. Using V2V, the vehicle monitors messages from other vehicles up to a quarter of a mile ahead. The trailing vehicle warns the driver first with visual icons and seat vibrations on the front and then automatically brakes if there is danger of a read-end collision with the vehicle ahead. In addition, GM’s V2V technology can warn the driver when vehicles ahead, regardless of lane, are stopped or traveling much slower or any vehicle ahead brakes hard, allowing the driver to brake or change lanes as needed. It also can use rear lights to warn the other driver when the approaching vehicle is moving very quickly and a rear-end collision is imminent. While other vehicle manufacturers are developing similar technology, GM’s unique advantage is in its ability to leverage or enhance existing systems such as OnStar and StabiliTrak systems to deliver this solution more quickly and cost effectively. “GM is the world leader in Telematics,” said Patrick Popp, director of GM’s Advanced Technical Work in Safety. “Our V2V technology builds on GM’s earlier Telematics systems to give our customers new meaningful traffic safety and efficiency applications.” " https://www.acarplace.com/brands/gm/vehicle-to-vehicle.html

Vehicles with V2V have the onboard EAB system integrated so local vehicle braking is covered and there will obviously be more than one GM vehicle in traffic if they implemented it in all GM vehicles. They are constantly studying American driving habits, it's how they came up with 40 mi. of electric range for the first EREV Volt because a study they ran found that 40 mi. is the average American drivers round trip work commute. So I'm pretty sure GM engineers know more about cars and our daily traffic congestion than you do. It must be exhausting for you to constantly try to prove people or technology wrong on here...

The emergency auto braking out there now only "sees" the car that's 50 -150 ft. (depending on your sensitivity setting) directly in front of your vehicle that relies on radar and ultra sonic sensors. V2V is an extremely early warning communication from cars several hundred feet ahead in traffic that dictate what is happening. I'm talking about the brake lights triggering the actual person driving behind to apply the brakes earlier that don't have V2V or another type of EAB safety system. Like I stated before I'd rather be involved in the vehicle I'm in and actually drive it, but so many people are not involved or distracted these days so unfortunately we need these safety alert systems for them.