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The Aura only adds to the problem I illustrated above. Aura production is capped at 100k.

Besides the Lexus LX - all products are unique in the US market.

Ven; By including the HHR and Cobalt and Vibe in the analysis, you only better illustrate my earlier post. How many GMs does it take to equal 1 Toyota? With buyers transisitioning from trucks to cars in the mid-sized segment, you would think that buyer would move from Trailblazers to a GM midsized sedan. But that is not the case. GM is weakening in the midsized segment even though those product are relatively fresh. I am sorry, but the Toyota numbers for the month are incredible and only further illustrate the problems at GM. And I am sorry to tell you, that your comments about Honda are just wrong. Honda can do with two vehicles, what it takes GM 4 or 5. That is not a good sign for GM. The fact is Honda and Toyota can do with with a few vehicles what it take GM to do with a lot. What that means to GM is that, they have serious problems in the mid sized market. It takes a lot of investment to support all of those models to equal 1 Toyota or Honda. The other companies you bring up are not a good comparision. Subaru, Hyundai etc are are not GM (With having to support multiple division). To a degree you are correct about Ford and Ford does have many of the troubles that GM has in the midsized segment. Either way you look at it, GMs has serious problems in the midsized segment that will not be corrected in a couple years. I am sorry but it is not GOOD.

There is a difference. Toyota pays there US employees well and they sell their product at a premium.

How thick headed and stubborn does one have to be to understand that data drives educated decisions and opinions in this industry, paricularly buyer data.

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It has been a couple weeks last I checked into it. But hmm, I see you have not been able to get anymore interior shots of the 900s. I just wonder why?

Yea I know. Chris knows the whole story I elluded to. He is such a trouble maker and a thorn in the sides of many powerful people in this business.

Oh this whole thread is fast becoming pointless as is typical around here. Compare the data that is available. That is all you can do. As for the posters that want to compare what is and what is not American. Get over it already. Waving the flag is not helping GM's sales. Must I point out again, GM's sales are down 16% year over year, last month. The public does not care.

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Exactly, and I just made that same decision myself by opting for the V6 over the V8. What do I need 320 hp for, when I am chasing stop lights most of the time. Not to mention getting saddled with 12-14 mpg in that type of driving with the V8. The perceived difference under normal driving between the 6 and the 8 under normal circumstance could not justify the 8.

So how does it feel to be responsible for people loosing their job? hmmm :AH-HA_wink:

I think you should direct that question at the resident spy. And I can assure you that the Chief Engineer on the 900 Pu program was not to happy with him.

IIRC the first use of the split grill was in 1959.

The governor from Colorado I believe is as big as a crack pot. He wants to convert coal in the state into diesel, bag all the C02 from the conversion process, then transport that C02 to the Middle East so it can be ejected into the Ghawar oil fields to increase head pressures. Yup that makes a lot of sence.

I have not seen anything good in the way of exact data. It would be my guess it is around the same as last year when the price reduction vs. rebates is factored into the equation. It might be slightly higher because of revised product mix.

It probably dropped to around 30% of sales for the new 06 model. That would keep the 06MY retail sales in line with the 05MY.

Don't forget that 50% of the 320,000 Impala sold last year went to fleet. Toyota and Honda may claim they have the hearts and minds of the average American. But only GM can claim they have the hearts and mind of the average business traveler.

Really the article is pretty good and goes to illustrate the problem using corn derived ethanol as a replacement for gas. Fuel economy is worse because there is less energy per pound compared to petroleum derived fuels. There is no way around that. And corn is not the best source for ethanol. Leading experts in the energy field are promoting switch grass. Even though most leading economist still believe there is an unlimited supply of petroleum as long as the energy companies keep exploring.

Or how well the GMT 900s compare to EPA rating.

How many GM's does it take to make 1 Camry? How many GM's does it take to make 1 Camry and 1 Corolla? May-06 LaCrosse 4,990 Impala 23,702 Malibu 12,881 G6 11,534 Grand Prix 6,878 60,075

All I have to say is "Oh what a feeling"

No the new Camry has touched the hearts and minds of the American public. At 40k + sales last month, there is no doubting that the Camry is America's car, with the Corolla and Accord not far behind.

I would not expect those products to stop the slide. The big gainers were the Fit, Accord, Civic, Yaris, Corolla and Camry. The Corolla and Camry each sold over 40,000 vehicles last month. That is incredible volume and shows the near term market shift back to smaller cars. GM will NOT make up for lost volume with a new round of large sport utlities, full sized pick-up a couple niche sedans and a Malibu. GM sold only app. sold 20k, Impala and Cobolts which are brand new vehicles. The Malibu was a no show at 12k. Assuming gas prices remain where they are, this does not took good for GM. Even the GMT-900 were lukewarm. They might help the bottom line because of reduced incentives and it is too early to guage the near term success in the market because they are brand new. But the sales of those vehicles does not leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling inside.

So tell us what Terry Woychowski had to say if anything about your latest handiwork!