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On 05/03/2017 at 0:36 PM, cp-the-nerd said:
Thanks, Olds!
I'm getting better at driving it every day. My latest goal is working on my heavy throttle shifts, both downshifting to pass and upshifting for 0-70 mph highway style merging (or, you know, sh!ts and grins).
There seems to be two prevailing opinions on the clutch: people that love the feel and people who have trouble getting used to the mid/high engagement point. My dad got in the car and drove it like he's owned it for ten years, but I'm currently in the latter group. I'm still trying to find the right spot to dig my heal in for left foot control. I've smoothed out my shifts for relaxed driving, but quick gear changes are rough.
I've also been playing with the Bose centerpoint system, and while the factory settings left a lot to be desired, I have it dialed in pretty good manually. The fade setting had to shift about a foot rearward to be "in" the music and the bass had to come up about 30%. Classic analog rock sounds alright, but modern digital sound is on point.In no time you will master it! You seem quite enthused about this whole shifting thing...passion makes you learn faster!
21 hours ago, frogger said:Love this car, fixed what I didn't like about the G8 (mostly the interior). It would be very hard to resist picking one up at some point, but it was never available in Canada.
There was always something odd about the Pontiac G8 to me. I loved it...but not with passion! I think its because it was not aggressive enough in looks to me.
The Chevy SS comes along and it looked to me even less aggressive.
But, like you said, we don't get this one...so I cant really judge it.
Over the last couple of years though, the SS has grown on me in ways the G8 couldn't.
Maybe its because the SS has become the G8 GXP with the magnetic shocks...
Maybe its because the interior of the SS looks like it belongs in an Oldsmobile rather than a Chevrolet or a Pontiac.
Maybe its because its forbidden fruit up in Canada!
I don't know if Id buy one...V8 RWD in Quebec is still not ideal....but who knows...maybe Id try to swing one now that its gonna go away!
PS: I drove by the GM dealership the other day...and there was a metallic blue 2.0T Camaro outside....I stopped by to see it...
Do NOT tell El Kabong....but I kinda started lusting over it!
Maybe its the idea of the Exorcist that is getting me giddy over it!
I don't know...
Muscle Cars with cartoonish names get my attention!
The Judge.
Hellcat
Road Runner
Demon (part 1 and part 2)
the Exorcist
Super Snake
Macho Trans Am
4-4-2
GNX
Same with the cartoonish graphics...
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9 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:
I ATE A MONTREAL SMOKED MEAT SANDWICH AND MY BUTT WON'T STOP SPEAKING QUEBECOIS
LOL!
What...are you implying that you are farting and you are equating that to French Quebecois Joual?
That is funny!
Its OK...it goes with your interests:
QuoteCHECKING MY STOOLS FOR FIBRE
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Greek Canadian...
Greek
Canadian
I dont know where you get this 'nice guy, give peace a chance' idea from?
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2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:
shoot me but I like both GMC versions
Okay....
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You certainly have defended your case very well.
39 minutes ago, balthazar said:Musk's mouth is bigger than his stomach (ability to deliver).
I may have to concede my position a tad and agree with that statement above because logic and reality dictates I need to do so.
All falls with Tesla's ability to deliver 380 000 Model 3s and the 100 000 give or take Model S/X on time....
(I guess when we read stuff, we all understand what we want to see and yes, Im talking about myself as I glanced over that bolded part you highlighted, even though I read that part too)
Yeah, I admit, I get blinded by the light sometimes!
Thanx for taking your time with me!
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He always had a Model S as a loaner before.
He never asked why they gave him the Durango.
In Quebec, during this time and in December, we change our tires from winter to summer/all season and vice versa as its mandatory to drive with winter tires during December 20 to March 20.
So the dealerships are swamped with work.
And no...his Model S only needed regular maintenance work...and change his tires.
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1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:
Agreed on them needing a purpose, it just seems like sunk costs to me.
If they cannot turn a per unit profit, they can sell 2 million model 3 automobiles and it will not matter.
*SIGH*
They are investing in their OWN charging infrastructure.
They are investiong in tow more new models.
They are going to have a successor to the Roadster.
They are still spending billions on research and development.
The investors are aware...Musk is aware...of what is needed to be done...there is a plan in place...yada yada yada...
When the Model 3 finally begins production and deliveries start to happen....Musk said that the spending will be reduced...in the interim...Tesla plans to raise
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Elon Musk is burning through cash and may need to raise more soon to produce the mass-market electric sedan Tesla Inc. is banking on to reach the mainstream consumer.A capital raise would provide more cushion to the smallest and youngest publicly held U.S. automaker, which has huge expenditures planned ahead of introducing the Model 3 sedan in July. Tesla burned through cash in the fourth quarter and expects to spend as much as $2.5 billion in the first half of the year before fielding its first mass-market car.
“It’s certainly clear that some kind of capital raise is coming,” David Whiston, an auto analyst at Morningstar Inc., said by phone Thursday. “They might want to do it soon.”
Tesla has been a serial spender under Musk, who’s made it his mission to accelerate the auto industry’s transition to electric transportation. Through the first half of this year, the company will have spent about $10 billion in research and development and capital expenditures since 2014, according to Morgan Stanley. Musk, the chief executive officer, said Wednesday while a cash raise isn’t critical to release the Model 3, it’s probably wise.
10 billion dollars in R&D since 2014...
2.5 billion in just last years 4rth quarter alone...
It aint ONLY because the Model S is not profitable...the Model S IS profitable...but all that noise surrounding R&D money, re-investing in the company through their battery factory or charging network...the free charging that Tesla gives its users...
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11 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:
Long term cash flow is the issue here I think not how innovative the company is or how much we like their cars.
We all like Tucker, and they were a very innovative company, but we see how that worked out for them. In all fairness Tesla has gotten a lot further along than Tucker ever did.
Tucker....never got off the ground.
OK...there are conspiracy theories to why that is and it seems like the same conspiracy theories and rpetrators with are at it with Tesla
Put that aside though....
Tesla even if 50% cancel on the Model 3 for it rising to a price tag of 42K....
THAT would still be 190 000 Model 3s (because there has been some cancellations already and I think the number is 380 000) plus the 100 000 Model S and Model X sales.....
That is 290 000 cars sold for next year. While that figure may be less than the 500 000 that Tesla is thinking about, its still a number that surpasses many 100 year old brands! Keep in mind that I dont think 50% ore people will cancel on their pre-orders and let us not forget that Tesla will open up orders again for it!!!
OK....Sorry Drew, I did this post AFTER you said to continue on with Mitsubishi...
So Mitsubishi....
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7 hours ago, balthazar said:
But other than the removal of capital, stock holders still don't "approve" future product plans. Stock holding doesn't give an investor access to planning meetings.
Semantics
You know what I meant by it and how it pertains to Tesla.
When I said that Tesla announced 2 more models in a semi-truck and an urban pick-up truck....taking away more billions from them either from a lending stand point or from a lack of profit, and consequently prolonging the time in which Tesla would actually be profitable, this announcement would peeve off investors and hence sell off their shares....
We did not hear that investors are mad and itchy and hence why I say the investors are it in for the long haul.
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14 minutes ago, balthazar said:
Shareholder want a return on their investment. Everybody knows that.
SURE!
But they are in it for the long haul!
15 minutes ago, balthazar said:Investors don't have input into future product.
SURE they do!
They got the money, they dont agree with it, they sell the stock BACK to Tesla, or just dump it cutting their losses and move on!
19 minutes ago, balthazar said:I have stated it before and will here again; I like Tesla, I hope they continue into the future and they've made great strides, but I will not overlook the pitfalls around the company that Teslafanatics are willing to. It's not pessimism, it's reality.
I aint a fanboy.
Im a fan, not a fanboy!
Yes its reality what you state, but its also a reality that YOU skew towards the negative side of things!
I also see the same reality YOU see, but I skew it more to the positive side of things!
This is me regarding Tesla
This is you
1 minute ago, balthazar said:Sure, some of them are. And if they're willing to spend $42K, or $50K or $55K, more power to 'em.
But how many of the 400K pre-orders will not? Without a doubt, some will balk and back out, those would have been 'deal-broken'. Time will tell... if Tesla does.- - - - -
Mitsu should fold up operations. When they got caught thrice lying openly about injurious & fatal defects, I thought for sure they'd be forced to leave the U.S. market, but they're hanging around like a lingering fart.
Top part
You are of the glass half empty type and Im of the glass half full type
Bottom part
I agree with everything you said 100%
Especially the lingering fart part!
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3 minutes ago, balthazar said:
OK....15K and I stand corrected!
Like I said though, and this from YOUR link:
QuoteTesla CEO Elon Musk said last year that he expects it to be close to $42,000, but new data suggest that reservation holders are preparing their budgets for a significantly higher price.
Reservation holders are preparing to order some of the bells and whistles to reach 50K
The others well...7K more...like I said...NOT a deal breaker!
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PS:
Nothing was announced that the price will go up just as it was announced that the delivery dates are on schedule....
If I were you, Id stop being pessimistic!
400 000 aprox. orders are to be delivered on schedule at about 35K
The price may move, what? 1 thousand? 2 thousand? 5 thousand?
Or it may not move at all.
It wont move 10 thousand!
You think people will cancel if it goes up by 5K?
HA!
You underestimate the power of Tesla's image!
YOU said it yourself....35K is NOT cheap....
People are already comfortable with 35K ordering it, meaning they are ready and eager for those payments....another 5K maybe, after saving more cash for it for 1.5-2 years WONT be a deal breaker!
YOU are wishing it goes up and YOU are wishing it be a deal breaker, but there is nothing that has been hinted or suggested that this is reality!
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42 minutes ago, balthazar said:No, I don't believe "most" are overpriced. There are analytical metrics to evaluate a company's performance vs. stock price, but -much like the car market- Tesla is operating outside the 'normal' metrics. But unless some folk are buying Tesla stock as a charity gesture... one assumes all the other investors are expecting a ROI.
GM & FMC are a lifetime away from their IPOs (1916 and 1956).Well, there are board meetings for shareholders....
Unless any of us have attended any of them concerning Tesla, we will never know what shareholders want from Tesla...
But...this was announced...
I doubt that this project would be announced if investors wanted CASH right NOW!!!
This is another billion dollar project...money that Tesla dont have....
Yup...Investors must have agreed to greenlight this!
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28 minutes ago, balthazar said:
2016 deliveries : 76,230.
I'm not saying that's bad for 2 EV models... but the Model S is getting long in the tooth at this point and there's not much growth potentional in the Model X's price tier. I've seen more XT5s than Model Xs by me, if that means anything.
But it's going to take a number of model years to pump out those 400K units- Tesla cannot produce them in 1 year's time. SO while the company is progressing, it still had major hurdles to overcome. Don't forget, in addition to the 'sketch' that garnered those 400K pre-orders was also the number "$35K". Time will tell.Model S...long in the tooth?
Ill give you that!
However, sales just keep climbing for it!
The Model X just looks weird.
I dont know if that model will ever be a lusted after product!
Nothing to do with EV lustability but everything to do with aesthetics!
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500 000 for 2018....
It looks as if Tesla will be close to that figure....
That easily surpasses many car brands even if they only deliver 75% of the Model 3s (and it looks like as if they are on time this time on their promise of delivery dates) and 100 000 Model S and Xs, that would be aprox. 450 000 cars sold for 2018...
I wouldnt be trying to diss Tesla right about now!
Because their business model is of a fanatical frenzy for their automobiles which if nothing else, should be admired at a marketing business model stand-point!!!
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As far as Tesla losing money....
*SIGH*
Its a tired argument...
1. Tesla is still the one to fund MOSTLY their OWN Charging Infrastucture...some of those losses...or lack of profit...is because Tesla is still growing its business...
2. Its a moot point when INVESTORS ARE WILLING TO INVEST IN TESLA....THEY BELIEVE IN THE PRODUCTS.....YES....PRODUCTS with an "S"....as in PLURAL....
Tesla announced a SEMI-TRUCK and a PICK-UP TRUCK for the NEAR FUTURE!!!
LIke I said...Tesla is still growing their business....it takes a shyte load of years with lack of profit....
The thing is....Tesla is far from giving its investors vapor ware!
So yeah.....Tesla will continue losing money for a short while.....and Im willing to bet the investors KNOW THIS ALREADY and DONT GIVE A SHYTE!!!!
Because they believe in the company....
Why?
Because when close to 400 000 orders in a week are made on a promise of another model to be sold alongside the other 2 on an artist's sketch, it tells the investors that actual buyers exist and those buyers are nuts for Tesla...
IN OTHER WORDS....ITS A NON-ISSUE!!!
So let us not try to pass it off as one!!!
Yes yes....with the Model 3, Tesla needs to make some money.....
Tesla announced a SEMI-TRUCK...
Tesla is looking to conquer another market....that too takes money....Im sure the investors are on board with that undertaking too!!!
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23 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:
Wildly over priced on the stock exchange.
Arent most commodities on the stock market overpriced?
Arent most commodities on the stock market priced on speculation that sometimes makes them overpriced and those that arent overpriced, well, those are the ones that are secretive and insider trading happens prior to fixing the hike where the people in the know hock up all the available stock or vice versa where people in the know know and fix a price drop and off load their stock?
Why are we so hung up on Tesla's so-called over-priced over-speculated stock when a President (Ronald Regean) enabled Wallstreet to do this time and time again!
There was a Hollywood movie from the 80s that glorified this
A sequel to it recently and a pseudo historical/biographical one about a real Gordon Gecko type...Wolf of Wall Street
We are acting like General Motors or FoMoCo never had any favorable IPOs in their 100 plus history...
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I just realized....
I NEVER COMMENTED!
I approved but I never told you how awesome your car is and for you to enjoy her!
Well, your car is exceptionally AWESOME!
ENJOY THE HELL OUTTA OF IT!
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34 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:
Camaro-8737
Mustang-8063
Sorry. I couldn't resist.
Seriously, this perfectly illustrates what was talked about yesterday regarding across the board sales struggles and why it will continue. Looks like everyone took a hit last month.
Hey Surreal...we dont troll, we gremlin!
Maybe for this month and moving forward, the Camaro FINALLY exorcised its Demons!
(yes I know! Shyster Hennessey versus straight from Auburn Hills stock...still phoquing cool, though!)
(Hey, Shelby, we need another Super Snake!)
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1 minute ago, riviera74 said:
Silicon Valley believes that everything is a platform to be monopolized: think Uber or Lyft. The notion that car sharing will take over the whole USA is laughable because it makes so many assumptions that turn out to be weak or false. In large cities, it could probably be done, but not out here in Florida. Cities with great public transportation could swing this but I fail to see how this would work in say rural Texas.
As for why car sales are slowing down, check out how many really good 2-3 year old used cars are available for sale, especially off-lease. When the next recession comes, expect used car sales to greatly eat into new car sales quite rapidly.
LOL!!!
And YOU just expressed what I want to express in 2 short paragraphs!!!
Unlike me, I wrote a book over a span of 2 posts!
But yeah....I 100% agree with you!
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Yeah....that M3 is about the last generation (or 2nd to last) of the M3s that is iconic of what 3 Series BMWs do...
OK...today's M2 and M235i and the 2 Series in general has got BMW going back to its roots.
But Im willing to bet that any of the lowest selling crossovers they sell still beats the 2 Series in sales...
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The world is into smart phones that have apps...the world is into eating garbage in your car (lattes and the like), the world is into texting and being online rather than....driving.
The world has moved into a place where rather than turn their head to check their blind spot, they prefer a beep beep sound to tell them someone is there....or to have a back-up camera on a compact car that is as of 2017 or 2018, standard equipment MANDATED by law...(not all cars have a cocoon like interior like the Camaro does)
Its the continual dummying down of a driver or even as a human being that propels the preference of an individual to have less and less responsibility...
It used to be a joy to drive and people WANTED to look over their shoulder to check their blind spot. People WANTED to shift their own gears (although that part of spirited driving was the first to go as SOON as the first automatics appeared on the scene in the 1940s), people WANTED to....simply drive....
Now it has become a chore.
Traffic congestion is also a HUGE factor in which enjoyment of a driver's car is IMPOSSIBLE to experience when there are NO roads free of traffic in a daily driven endeavor...
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Car renting might evolve to something that may resemble car sharing...but car sharing the way Silicon Valley wants to sell it aint happening...
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I dont think car sharing will ever be a thing.
We even have a form of it today...its called renting a car at Hertz or Avis or Thrifty etc...
And why I think that?
OK...where to start?
Ask a rental agency in what condition do some cars arrive back at their rental shop.
The vomit, the condoms and semen stains, the feces and the piss, the pizza stains and ketchup and salsa and Coca-Cola spills, the cigarette stinks and stains and butts, the drugs...
Who will be cleaning that shyte up?
At least when you rent a car from any rental agency, the agency cleans it up for the next person....
If you tell me that there will be rules in place that will make the user clean up his own mess....HA!
Most OWNERS of their OWN cars dont keep THEIR OWN vehicles clean, what makes you think that an user will clean a car he dont own?
Besides....time will not permit this...
Im to use a car until 2:00 PM and the new user needs it at that time....by golly Ill be using that car until 2:00 PM...
OK....so the usage of the car will include cleaning time....
HA!
How many times have YOU rented a hotel room and YOUR room was NOT ready?!
How many times has ANY appointment of ANY kind been on time?!
ANOTHER POINT
WHO is in charge of the upkeep, regular maintenance costs of the vehicle?
People will agree to THOUSANDS of dollars of repairs to cars they dont actually own???!!!!
People WHINE about car repairs to cars they actually own and dont do them!!!
OK....Leasing FORCES them to do repairs...so this may be the same!
WRONG!
Leasing a car also means you the car is in YOUR possession at all times and you use it whenever and wherever YOU want it....like I said....sharing a car has restrictions on when you can use it as you have to wait for it and plan your life around waiting for a car to use....FREEDOM of TRAVEL WILL be RESTRICTED....and with that....NEGATIVITY towards ANYTHING regarding a car you dont own will be an issue....meaning people will just view car sharing as a burden especially when forcing to spend money on one will be forced upon them...like I said...who will be responsible for the thousands of dollars of repairs?
Remember...car sharing from NOW is being billed as a CHEAPER way to use a vehicle....
Remember....humans dont treat cars they own correctly, they treat cars they dont own even worse....again...ask the people who work at rental agencies....
Another point...
Will there be restrictions to where one could go or use the vehicle?
A car will ALWAYS represent FREEDOM, even if there are financial tie downs and our highways are congested limiting some of those freedoms....but restricting a shared car's usage limits that freedom even more....
When we own our own car outright....we have the right and FREEDOM to do whatever the phoque we want with OUR car!!!
So...car sharing is just a dream!!!
IT COULD WORK....
If North America compensated with a plethora of alternatives for the car sharer as in if a citizen of a city and a suburbanite had access to better and abundant public transportation....a shyte load of more buses, a shyte load of more subway systems and a high speed train network...that connects ALL OF NORTH AMERICA together...
Yeah....like that will ever happen!
So...like I said...car sharing is just a dream!
No, The Model 3 Isn't An Upgrade To the Model S
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@balthazar
This article proves your point even further!!!
I concede ENTIRELY my position I held and Im more in line with yours!
What is troubling me more is this:
(Not the fact that the misconception exists)
But:
In today's so-called "information age" where information is literally at a touch of a button...people are MISINIMFORMED about ANYTHING MORE THAN EVER IN HISTORY OF MAN-KIND!!! (an exaggeration yes...its my dramatic Greek heritage!)
How the HELL could people be so misinformed is beyond my comprehension...