oldshurst442

43 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Every once in a while, I still think of Oldsmobile and wonder what could have been (or at least I used to).  GM's survival and currently health trumps that, of course.

I still think about Oldsmobile and what could have been. (I think its time for me to let go though)

From Buick's resurrection from the dead a few years back when  it was only Lucerne, Lacrosse and Enclave and Buick quickly returned to relevance somewhat when they added Regal and Verano and Encore  to the missteps that are happening now...

And of course GM's health trumps all that, I still dont see myself driving a Buick. The design language does not speak to me. Its nice....but it aint sporty and elegant like Oldsmobile always was. (Minus the awkward Olds LSS Delta 88s and Achieva of the early 1990s before the Aurora came out)

Chrysler from the 1990s all the way to today's 300 from the Concord, 300M, 300C, early 2000s Sebring coupe and Convertible had a certain desirability to them...

Dodge with their muscle cars and muscular looks on all their vehicles from the Viper to the Challenger to the Charger to the Stealth to Intrepid to the Magnum to their DODGE RAM trucks also had a certain desirability to them.

Much like Pontiac and Oldsmobile....

Chrysler having a slight edge on Oldsmobile and Dodge a slight edge on Pontiac...

I am doing CURRENT what if scenarios with the Chrysler 300 in my mind with a successor to the 300 and ditto for the Charger and Challenger....let is not forget what Ralph Gilles could do with proper money and R&D for a Viper....

It is a shame that it was a short decade ago when the RWD 300 took North America by storm on a then older platform....

19 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Indeed, the choices I would have made were already covered...

From Quebec...hmmmm

Well...we have another thing common...

Our town hockey clubs failed to make it past the 1st round!

2 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Well, I would certainly love a Mk5 and Jag F Type duo, but I have to say, I AM pretty jealous of Olds' Unimog!!

That is mine! You aint touching it!  Id show it off to my Greek friends who all think they are high and mighty with their C Class M-Bs and dime a dozen BMW 3 Series....

They piss me off and I run them over with MY MERCEDES!  More satisfying than doing it in a Ford  as its a Teutonic Big Foot!

Like this:

PS: Ill do this tomorrow as I have a day off and I will be putzin' around the house doing nothing! More time to think!

1 hour ago, frogger said:

Our next door neighbour had a 308 and an XJS in the mid 80's when my parents were rocking an Iron Duke "powered" Gutless Ciera..  So the sentimental side of me has to pick the 308.

 

 

My dad rocked an Iron Duke Celebrity of 1986 vintage.

AM radio...only 2 speakers that were on the dash and a bench seat up front...with column shift!

At least it was a REAL bench seat and I really miss column shifts!

That Iron Duke might have been gutless, but I buried the needle plenty of times..the speedo went only up to 140 KM/H but I did bury it....so maybe we could add another 20 KM/H to that 140???!!!

Not too bad Id say!

When FCA bought Chryco. I was happy.

MOPAR gets to live.

When Sergio green lighted the Viper I was extremely happy as I naively thought that Chrysler will get to live without any merger bullshyte like it was under the "Merger of Equals" and I was definitely naive about Chryco. being starved of cash like it was when it was under Bob Nardelli's outfit...

Since then...there is not a day that goes by that I dont anticipate the sad day that will eventually come telling us that Chryco is no longer and that if Fiat is to survive then Chrysler and Dodge need to shutter down. And yes, with this news here....one step closer to that.

Ram has already been separated from Dodge.

Jeep is a brand that is on its own anyway...acquired by Chryco when Chryco bought AMC  which AMC had bought Jeep from Kaiser....

So...Chrysler has literally no cars to sell..other than the 300 which is set to be discontinued.

They have the Pacifica...a minivan....not a CUV

Dodge has no cars to sell either. Just a couple of aging muscle cars...

The CUVs and SUVs are all sold under name brands that Sergio just now mentions will be spun off...

The Giulia platform....Sergio at one time DID say that Chrysler and Dodge WONT be getting it...

I could only view this as sad news for a once proud American car company....

I guess it was either in 2009 or whenever the inevitable will happen. All this Sergio character do was just prolong the agony for Auburn Hills workers and line up his personal pockets further.

False hope this was!!!

26 minutes ago, dfelt said:

@oldshurst442 @A Horse With No Name @Drew Dowdell

So guys, how long before we see the first EV pony car?

Will it be a hit or not?

Will it be a plugin hybrid?

What do you think the Torque / HP numbers could be?

Ford and Chevy and if FCA is still alive...

They better start re-inventing the Pony Car as it might lose its relevance...

Coupes are practically dead.

The only ones that are still around are the ones with some sort of history.

The V8 is becoming less and less relevant in every day, average joe people cars...

The only V8s that are every day, average joe people cars are the Pony Cars...

But...with turbo 4s as base engines in these cars and EVs being almost at the tipping point, it may not be too long for the classic American Pony Car to become extinct...

The Demon from Dodge is a cry for help. One last hurrah. If FCA does not give it a new platform it will die off.

If GM does not sell enough Alpha platformed cars....which includes the ATS....then the Camaro might die off...it happened before with the Camaro....don't think it might not happen again...

The Mustang seems like the only one to stay relevant. But it WILL need to go EV soon enough as maybe Tesla will offer a competitor soon...

Hey...don't laugh...the Tesla Roadster is said to get a new model....soon! Maybe a coupe variant will be in the works?

Ford Explorer...HA! and YUCK!

My TL was in the shop sometime in November for an airbag issue of some sort...I don't think it was a Takata thing and Acura was being very vague about it...but anyhoo, Acura tweaked something about my airbags all for free...like a recall...

Anyway. The dealership gave me an Explorer  to drive around in for a couple of days...new car. It only had 250 kilometers on it.

WHAT A CRAPPY RIDE!!!

Nothing against Ford...just against how crappy SUVs actually ride...

The Explorer itself is well built. Fit and finish is standard within the industry.

I don't know what trim Explorer I had...but it had the base wheels...whatever they might have been. 15 inchers...16 inchers...they looked small compared to what the vehicle size is...

No...that is not a complaint...

The complaint is that it rode very mushy. Unlike my 1985 Oldsmobile Delta 88 that was a joy to cruise around in, this wallowed and did not turn. It hardly braked and stopped. God...vintage American land yachts did a better job than this shyte! I mean...I had a blast doing that in the Oldsmobile...somehow, in the Explorer, there is a lost in translation somewhere. 

Never again will I ever drive an Explorer or a similar riding experience SUV...

1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Just take a week off of stupid infighting please...I want to talk about cars and I enjoy your friendship and perspectives.

Just take a week off of stupid infighting please...I want to talk about cars and I enjoy your friendship and perspectives.

Just take a week off of stupid infighting please...I want to talk about cars and I enjoy your friendship and perspectives.

Will do!

And I did not waste any time in accepting your suggestion of talking about cars and letting the infighting be a thing of the past!

I would LOVE to own both actually.

That Ferrari just screams exotic Italian awesomeness even by today's standards when today's Toyota Camry's spank it in almost every performance metric!

But yeah, one needs deep pockets to maintain it. Deeper than buying a new Ferrari even!

Grand Cherokee.

All. The. Way.

I too want Tesla to stick around.

My partner's Model S is problem free so far, he had a couple of recalls, but my wife's Fusion is on 3 going on 4 recalls so....that is not a problem for Ford, why would a recall be viewed as a problem for Tesla?

Therefore, when my 2012 Acura's time is up in 4-5-6-7 years time, a Model 3 is what Im looking at!

Me....its in my name...

OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS S CONVERTIBLE for me!

Catching the tail end of the Olds in this scene!

Its been a while seen Ive done this. I thought Id stop being part of the problem and start being part of the solution

So....after watching a few movies and seeing awesome cars and witnessing a few gems on the road as well....maybe its time to do this again.

I saw Beverly Hills Cop II a while back and 2 of my all time faves are front and center in this movie.

So....what would you pick?

Axel Foley's deep undercover car in Detroit?

1986 Ferrari 308 GTS

Or Axel''s deep, deep.....DEEP undercover car in Beverly Hills?

1968 Olds Cutlass S convertible

18 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I can relate...

Hurst...could we get back to cars, please....

Yes! yes we can!

I earned myself at least a week ban for this!

So yeah...Ill take a week off!

Ill read posts and just up vote where I see fit!

7 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Yeah Yeah Yeah... I knoooooow. In my aging self I didn't want to have m only vehicle a manual as I don't enjoy them in traffic or when I'm tired in the morning or at night as much.

Next time just save a Word document and wait until you post again to make sure you're online? I'll be sure to take note of that absurd request.

I showed you my "bravado"..? Or, crazy idea here.. I just posted when I got back on here the following day when this thread popped up on the top of my feed.

Is there an allotted about of time which it is and is not acceptable to send a reply to another poster?

No alotted time....

Yet YOU shoved it in my face though....

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lol I think the person who said they'd take a little break from a site and less than 48hrs later was back would be the ruffled one.

But I aint allowed to shove it right back to you?

Why are you defending yourself to me then?

Im just a stranger on the internet...

I am not important to you but you felt the need to put me in my place, right?

OK....does this post ring a bell to you?
 

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Because it is pathetic to let faceless internet folks who give you a little red "-1" negatively effect your life.

lol I think the person who said they'd take a little break from a site and less than 48hrs later was back would be the ruffled one. But if you want it to be me, that's okay as well. I can take it.

It bothers me because I get asked the question of "why?" if I downvote something because said user "needs" a response. They won't like the response but they ask for it. Then it turns into endless circles of "you're a jerk" and "no you're a jerk". and so forth...

 

Because YOU and I are engaging ιn EXACTLY what YOU are trying to school me in!

And again in YOUR own words...
 

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Next time just save a Word document and wait until you post again to make sure you're online? I'll be sure to take note of that absurd request.

I showed you my "bravado"..? Or, crazy idea here.. I just posted when I got back on here the following day when this thread popped up on the top of my feed.

Is there an allotted about of time which it is and is not acceptable to send a reply to another poster?

 

If YOU REALLY went by your ORIGINAL THOUGHTS ABOUT NOT LETTING A CIRCLE JERK HAPPEN....MAYBE YOU SHOULDNT HAVE RESPONDED TO ME AT ALL!!!

AND THAT WAY I WOULDNT HAVE THE NEED TO ADDRESS YOUR CHEAP SHOT AT ME AND THEREFORE YOU WOULDNT HAVE TO RESPOND BACK IN KINDNESS!!!

So you see, WHAT YOU PREACH AINT EXACTLY WHAT YOUR ACTIONS SAY!!!

I COULD CALL YOU A HYPOCRITE....

You see, I dont have a problem....I calls it how I sees it....

Always have! ALWAYS WILL!

So....are you gonna respond back?

Can YOU be the bigger man and I get the last word in?

Are you strong enough for that?

Because the more we continue this, the more YOUR preaching seems less sincere...

9 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

lol I think the person who said they'd take a little break from a site and less than 48hrs later was back would be the ruffled one.

Knowing I wouldnt be present for a while...you felt the need to address me?

YOU knew I was NOT gonna be responding yet you had the need to reply to me in that way?

Only for you to shove this back to my face?

I aint ruffled my dear....

Have you noticed all my responses to you have been question marks?

Yeah....I responded....I felt you cheap shotted me!

Because obviously this is the internets and we shouldnt let a stranger get to us yet YOU felt the need to address me on a post that was made 48 hours ago that YOU knew I made telling you I wouldnt be responding yet YOU took YOUR internet time to show YOUR bravado to me?

Yup.....

Irony....

YOU  continue whining why it bothers ME...

PS:

I also discuss things calmly...

But not when loud mouthed bravado types dont do it calmy...

Much like yourself now!

Irony part two...

You once had a hissy fit with me when I used a broad stroke regarding Americans  IGNORING the bigger picture when you told me I was a hypocrite..

Well guess what?

YOU are doing the same thing now!

WHINING about others WHINING ignoring the WHY!

3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Wellllll I didn't do any gun jumping, you jumped the gun clicking "submit reply" if you didn't say what you wanted to say and had to edit.

Oh I know why, you guys wear too tight of panties and they get ruffled too easily. You take internet stuffs personally. It's the internet, BRO!

Are you OK, Bro?

Is anything bothering you?

Because....I could flip this on you!!!!

Why does it bother YOU that WE may have an issue with trolls down voting without any explanation?

It looks like YOUR panties are worn too tightly to give a shyte what WE think?!

Its only the internet!!!

PS: It looks like YOU also wants to win an internet argument....
 

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Wellllll I didn't do any gun jumping, you jumped the gun clicking "submit reply" if you didn't say what you wanted to say and had to edit.

 

 

 

Because THAT answer is just plain douchey and it screams that YOU want to have THE edge...

So....I repeat....

Anything bothering you for you to behave in such crappy manner?

Looks like I broke other ban..

I giving myself another 24 hours....unless someone wants to cheap shot me....because yes, I feel like that was a cheap shot!!!!

Just now, ccap41 said:

Personally, I don't care why you gave anybody a -1. But you don't like it when somebody gives you one w/o an explanation.

Hahaha I'll take the blame!

I GAVE ONE!

But YOU dont like it when people, because there are others like me, have time and time and again EXPLAINED AS TO WHY IT PISSES ME OFF!!!

Drew and Dfelt have explained eloquently today for the millionth time!!!

And...its ironic when YOU ALWAYS have to ask why and its ironic when you always get the same answer for the millionth time..

Its OK...

Im a big boy, I could handle the heat.

In fact. Im banning myself again so Drew has one less headache to deal with.

3 days Im banning myself and it starts...NOW!

See ya Thursday at around 17:40 ish 

Just now, FordCosworth said:

Like usual. You are incorrect.

LIke usual

YOU ARE A TROLL!

Just now, FordCosworth said:

Rather upsetting and quite sad when an adult blames their behavior on someone else.

 

Let me guess....

Pee Wee Herman was your hero growing up?!

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

A little ironic then.. can't keep it PG to explain but can hand out votes. Don't expect explanations when somebody downvotes you then.

CCAP....you got the +1 vote....

But then again....you jumped the gun on me...read the edited version....

But it seems like you want to know why I gave him a -1?

HE IS A TROLL!!!
HE IS A FORD SHILL!

IF I GET ABUSIVE BEHAVIOR WARNINGS, ITS ON YOU!!!

4 hours ago, FordCosworth said:

Interesting. Another market, though extremely tiny, but nonetheless, where the Mustang is taking to the Camaro.

And then there is this...

" Prices are increased due to a 25 percent import tariff on U.S. made vehicles ". 

 

I dont think I need an explanation why I down voted...

And If I did give you one, William would give me another 2 points for abusive behavior for calling a spade a spade...

But I did give a +1 to the poster who best explains my thoughts.
 

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Sales are an interesting thing to talk about but they're lame as F to use as "leverage" in an argument. Real enthusiasts don't even care about sales they're just using them in "fights".

 

His way though is a more political correct way of going about it.

I dont do P.C.

Heads up....you'd get plusieurs down votes today!!! I only get one...why?

Again...your behavior and you playing coy!

8 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

One wonders what the government of Venezuela plans to do with an auto manufacturing plant that has no parts suppliers.  At this point, it's just a large box on land.

condos?

Or maybe now that the Trump boys took over the family business..Trump Plaza Venezuela?

On 2017-03-25 at 10:05 PM, regfootball said:

rather fitting this versa is by Ikea.  affordable and useful.

Oddly enough, when I saw the pic of the Versa....that was the first thing to pop in my mind.

I says to myself: "Cool. Cheap & affordable Japanese appliance at the cheap affordable Swedish appliance store!"

Then I read your post and I was like: "Hey! I just said that!" (well, I  thought about it, not actually talked it out verbally...but I do talk to myself sometimes but this time was not one of those times...)

25 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Totally agree! 

Awesome new profile Pic Drew!!! 

@oldshurst442 I get what your saying but I think a nod to the heritage of the Fin can and should be done via the tail lights. Cadillac has done a very respectable job on the current taillights that acknowledge the tail fin history.

Yeah...I agree with what you are saying about Cadillac so Ill just modify my stance on the issue.

Cadillac, the way they do their lights would just about be the only brand Id like to keep on seeing the heritage alive.

And Chrysler to some degree. But the 300 is on its way out anyway...