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I had done a thread about this. My opinion on it!!!

A Trailblazer SS is just the 1969 or 1970 Chevelle SS that we never got in 2006 in SUV form. BOF hasnt been a Corvette thing since 1984. The C4. Sorry. Try again!

https://www.lucidmotors.com/media-room/introducing-sapphire-pinnacle-of-electric-performance Lucid just unveiled a new trim of their super sport EV sedan. The Sapphire. This new Sapphire upstages its own Air Dream by adding adding another 100 HP from 1111 to about 1200 plus via adding another of their compact motor in the rear making it a tri-motor set-up. Dual in the rear and single up front. Look out Tesla Model S Plaid. Lucid says 0-60 is less than 2 seconds. 100 MPH is reached in under 4 secs and the 1/4 mile is said to be sub 9 secs. All metrics beating the Plaid buy a few tenths. The Plaid to 60 is 2.1 secs, 100 MPH takes 4.3 seconds and the 1/4 mile is @ 9.4 Any Air interior just shytes on any Teslas' interior but regarding the Sapphire, the Plaid is half the price too. But a new performance beast that sets the bar and speed records (maybe...as the Plaid is absolutely real and proven...) is about to be set loose... The part that I like most about the Sapphire is that there are plenty, but more or less subtle, differences between the lesser Airs and the Sapphire. Unlike the Model S and the Plaid.

Its a gamble in the sense that all of the automotive world has put all their eggs in the EV basket. Not just Chrysler and Dodge by eliminating their V8 muscle cars and going E-muscle. Cadillac's last new V8 engined vehicle is the Escalade V. The sedans in ICE form are nearing death as well. Its scary in the sense that Cadillac's sole vehicle that actually everybody "gets" and understands and accepts and knows its a genuine Caddy and Cadillac has any real success AND is known to be the TOP Caddy is the Escalade. Cadillac also has a cult t following in the V sedans and Cadillac has just fused the two together... It IS scary and a head scratcher to think that Cadillac will put those models to the side in a short few years to offer an electric UV as its newest luxury ride NOT named Escalade and is doubling down on THE most expensive Cadillac on sale EVER with a brand new halo sedan NOT named Escalade... Keep in mind its a sedan and NOT a brash fullsized SUV... Any other brand new entrant for Cadillac the last 20 years has performed mediocrely in the market place. As far as Dodge goes with the end of their V8 muscle and its V6 counterparts and ushering in a new EV era... They kinda have no choice. The ENTIRE industry is forcing them to do so. The ENTIRE world political environment is as well. V8 afficianados will have no choice, sooner than later, but to submit. They could NOT buy new, and live with their V8s, but MOPAR will eventually end support for this ICE platform. American counties will also make it super difficult to maintain ICE vehicles in ways that forcing masks and vaccines down our throats will seem very tame, even to the rightest of the rightest extremist. These V8 aficionados will never ever buy an EV anyway. They would rather be content with a 1.5 liter wizzbanger 4 cylinder turbo dropped into a Corvette driving the front wheels than buy an EV... When you think about it, especially the way the Dodge Charger EV is, Dodge is doing electric muscle the right way because at least they didnt mess with their brand image despite them going EV with their muscle cars. My thoughts on this topic.

Tim Kuniskis' unveiling of this beast. Clear brand focus directives that were needed for Dodge to retain their current successful image. No numbers of any kind have been spoken. MSRP, HP, etc... Some range is sacrificed is hinted at though. To retain muscle car attitude. Fair enough. But family hauling duties along with inclement weather regions were thought of with this beast. Engineering, as he stated, was at the forefront of designing E-Muscle. About EV sounds This is the route Porsche went with. Porsche too, had an objective to have a distinct EV sound. Im not sure if Porsche used a resonator and amplifier and tuned it like Dodge did. But Porsche's sound does sound more natural EV-ish and it does sound awesome as well. Already, Porsche and Dodge have made it a point that EV sounds need not be whiny but be part of brand image just like how ICEs are and about to be...were.

This is what Im talking about. This is the kind of car, any car, ICE or EV that I need and want in my life. I desperately want this. The sound. Yes its fabricated. I believe its an authentic electric motor sound, tuned and manipulated to sound like that. But that aint no different from how Ferrari tunes its engines, headers and exhaust, to sound the way they do. Chevy has done the same with the SBC and went to Ferrari levels of tuning with the LT6 flat plane 5.5 liter. Yamaha engines like the Lexus LFA V10 has been tuned to sound awesome... Yamaha for those that want to be ignorant about this is not just a motorcycle company. They make musical instruments of all kinds. They specialize to make sounds that sound good in our ears. They literally make music... This concept definitely makes me forget about the Hellcat. After hearing Tim Kuniskis speak, I know this is coming. I also know some sort of 4 door will also be available. A Dodge EV me thinks will be in my driveway, unless Ford or Chevy upstages this. Only hiccup I sees with my decision in buying into a Stellantis EV is if the tech falls short of FoMoCo's or GM's Ultium platform But, I got faith. The French(Citroen and Peugeot) have been selling EVs for awhile now. I dunno how that tech stacks up to Lucid, Ultium, Ford, Tesla...but since Stellantis also consists of Opel, a good engineering company, and Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep these SRT engineers who are great in what they do, I dont see how Stellantis EV tech to be not competitive. Not to mention Fiat and Maserati and most importantly, Ferrari. Yes, Ferrari. Stellantis still owns shares in Ferrari and I would imagine Stellantis would have some access to Ferrari engineering if only it even was just for consultation. Ferrari engineers are still excellent in what they do. There are some very talented folk at Stellantis if we are to be serious about talking about engineering. Stellantis is not a small company...

As will I. To miss the (now, even though they are still in production and for another year) classic muscle cars Challenger and Charger. Hopefully an EV muscle car named Charger comes along in a decent amount of time to where I could have it for winter driving as well. Ill be happy with that. If not, a Mustang Mach E is calling my name... The wife likes the renders of the Equinox EV. Im selling her on Ultium.

yeah... I acknowldge this. I reluctantly accept it though. I shoudnt deny it though. Like I said, it has been like this for quite awhile... I agree. Chryco SUVs are great SUVs. Im just bummed that what it seems to be a great inline 6, from a conglomerate consisting of automotive companies that know how to do 6 cylinder engines right from Peugeot to Maserati to Alfa Romeo to Chrysler themselves, I see it as a wasted opportunity to not explore the avenue of a TT inline 6 sedan or coupe. Just like GM with its Atlas I6 that was rotted away with the GMT360s. So be it. And here I am, whining about nothing as I, want my next purchases to be EVs. My wife and I really want to get off gasoline. At least with you, you are staying with gasoline for a tad longer. You have legit reasons as to want to know the future of ICE within the brand (Jeep) that you choose to stay with and what ICE they choose to go with. I on the other hand, want nothing to do with SUVs, but understand I may not have a choice to go that route, but most importantly, I and the wife have all but abandoned the gasoline engine. We will keep our current ICE cars as long as it takes and switch as soon as a viable EV comes along. Next year? The year after that? The next? Our next new purchase WILL be EVs no questions asked. Our ICE days are over and it stays with our current rides. 2012 Acura TL and 2013 Ford Fusion.

Maybe both? Hopefully both! Yeah...very vague details, Tom Kuniskis has been giving us. Message is that Dodge muscle and power and speed and performance is not going away even though V8 performance is and even quite possibly the actual muscle car nameplates. SRT performance engineering is working side by side with Stellantis EV engineering to ensure MOPAR EV performance is in line with MOPAR/Dodge muscle car image, but the how is not revealed. We will have to wait to see what they end up giving us.

Im saddened by the fact that an inline TT6 is going to a SUV. Much wasted potential for sport sedan and muscle car buffoonery going to shytty appliance CUVs and useless pick-up trucks. I mean an ecoboosted V6 Ford Raptor was cool and all, until the Hellcat powered TRX showed up and Ford went V8... Now, Dodge reverses that trend??? Im down with EV muscle for Charger and Challenger. I understand the reasoning behind the V8s going away. But I think it could be kinda cool if a stop gap TTV6 Challenger and Charger would be available. Maybe Dodge wants us to forget about ICE Challengers and Chargers for awhile until they come back as EVs and when they do come back as EVs, we will be greatfully in awe...

I think the article states that the V8s are going away. Not the Charger and Challenger per se. So...a TT inline 6 with 400-500 HP, a much much lighter engine package up front will make for a very very interesting type of muscle car. I may still have a hole in my soul with the end of a Hellcat V8 Challenger, but a TT inline 6 Challenger still speaks to me very seductively. And eventually EV motive power... Im even more excited to see where and what Dodge muscle will go and do for the EV era.

Ford does the Explorer as a cop car that has effectively and successfully replaced their own Crown Vic and Taurus and consequently the Charger. Ford has proposed the Mach E for a police pursuit vehicle but I dont know how successful it ill be as it seems the Mach E isnt suited best for police work. Chevy has no competitive vehicle to offer. However, the Tahoe is fast becoming a staple on many police fleets after 2 decades of constant pushing and they are proposing a future EV Blazer SUV cop car even before the Blazer is in production. Dodge been losing much ground to Ford police cars, especially when Ford decided that the Explorer could and is a fine candidate. The Charger has been fast losing its place as a formidable police car for quite some time. Dodge has offered a Durango police vehicle for a couple of years now. F150s and Silverados have also been added in the police pursuit tool box for many police departments. What Im trying to say is WHAT and WHY has taken Dodge all this time to really push a Durango police pursuit vehicle when its 2 other Michigan rivals have done so what now seems forever? For sure! This is what I was trying to say myself. End of an era for 2dr coupes. This segment has died 20 years ago. Very few survivors and not many but more than a handful of revived by a few coupes here and there but really dying now. Muscle cars have died 50 years ago. Even fewer survivors and even less new/old name plate revivors. RWD cars are too few and far between. Manual transmission cars as well. Sad, for sure. But this news is really not new in any way. Its been a long time coming regardless the advent of an EV era rushing in. I dont think the names will go anywhere. However, it will all fall under the engineering as to how close they could engineer an EV to emulate an ICE muscle car and the marketing team to convince folk that an EV Charger and Challenger could be and actually are worthy modern day muscle cars with electric motors and batteries as their motive power. The design team lastly as the EV Chargers and Challengers will have to have that MOPAR muscle car proportions and styles and elements and all that MOPAR eye candy.

In the grand scheme of things, I aint so sad about the ICE version of the Challenger and Charger going away next year. To say that it doesnt affect me emotionally would not be entirely true. Its an end to several types of eras this news is. Several types of eras that define my automotive enthusiasm. But hey, time marches on. Things come and go. Time to move on and unto the next thing. As long as Stellantis/Dodge gives us a worthy muscle car in EV form not necessarily needed to be called Charger and/or Challenger, Im good. But the EV(s) to replace its modern, now old, ICE muscle cars better be in the same vein for me not to feel like Im gonna miss a Hellcat...

^^^ I wanted to post a pic of that A320 NEO on Skiathos ! You did one better and posted a link to a video! Awesome!

I thought so. Head-on and off set collision standards too, maybe? I think to a small degree, its a styling thing, too. Our society has been in chaos the last 20 years, Id like to also believe its a bunker mentality styling thing as well.

Isnt the Pentastar 3.6 (and rumour has it the Hemi V8s also) going away in favour of an inline 3.0 liter 6 in twin turbo guise at its highest level as a stop gap before going all EV?

I see that the "fastback" look that crept up on sedans is creeping up on CUVs now. I also see that CUVs are looking less and less like truckish things and are looking more like high, very high belt line sedans with fastback C pillar stylings. I also see that this new design philosophy for CUVs is emulating 1930s streamline sedans... So far, I only see Chrysler and Cadillac to do a fastback sedan look CUV emulating 1930s streamliners Others are doing a high belt, but they are doing away with the truckish look and going for full on sedan look. Pure modern aero. Citroen C4X This new Airflow is handsome enough. I wonder why our vehicles today and for the last 20 years need to have such high belt lines.

Ive never used Costco for gas. (I dont use Costco all that much to begin with) I got a Costco at about 5-6 miles from my house and restaurant, but its kinda out of m way. Im like those anti-EV guys whining about charging times and charging stations not being in ideal locations. Well, Im not going to drive 15 minutes just to gas up when other gas stations are on my drive home. That 15 minute drive is going there, it will be another 15 minutes to come back. PLUS the amount of time waiting for a Costco pump to become available plus the actual time pumping gas... Gassing up, just like charging up for anti-EV people, but especially for gassing up, should be a fast convenience, not a slow, tedious, and Odyssean adventure.

Nice Vette! I too, prefer the '84-'89 body style. Original front and rear. I also prefer the original dash. But I think the '89, yours, has the redesigned dash. The C4 Vettes to own would be the later ones from '89 on though. So you scored a gem in many ways! Awesome!!!

You see CCAP, you cherry pick my words, but it dont matter.... Track mode means nothing... There was once a rumour that the Challenger would be offered in ACR trim and undergo the same treatment as the Viper ACR. But that never really happened now did it? Its not as if the Challenger Demon wasnt the specialized track car... But for the quarter mile track.. No stupendous rear wing for downforce, no aerocanards up front, etc..... Its not as if the Demon get crazy for it being a track car for the quarter mile as if MOPAR didnt include in the pice tag skinny wheels up front and slicks in the back and delete all the seats except the driver's one and sell the owner the 3 others for a dollar each.... Meaning, if Dodge really wanted the Challenger to go trackin' they would have made one to replace the Viper ACR. But they didnt...DID THEY? https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/why-the-dodge-challenger-acr-didnt-happen/ weight is mentioned as why this never happened which leads us back to the Model S..... The battery weight is below the axles. Low center of gravity. Now have a great day tomorrow because I aint wasting my precious time with both of you (smk as well) bozos My mic drop

If Dodge really wanted the Challenger to go a-trackin', they would have made it to go a-trackin' Three letters for you A C R American Club Racing