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NOT about that. its about Musk telling ME that I need to be saved from a fairy tale extinction scenario where hundreds of billion of dollars are spent but 5 or 6 billion for a few souls save in the here and now is a no go because we cant save all humans. Yet spending hundreds of billions saving all humans from a fairy tale hundreds of years from now is the right way to spend. I never asked you to agree with me. Just told you how I feel about Musk. And I think he is a hypocrite... PS: I dont care how he spends his money. I just think he is a...hypocrite.

Part Two: I told you that I have helped some kids along the way with this program. Surely this program is not unique to my area only... Anyway, if I had this attitude that my time just doesnt help ALL kids in ALL of the world, then its just useless to help ANY kids because ALL kids wont be helped then I will just NOT participate in this program at all. Well, helping some kids for a short period of time is STILL worth it... Same for this Musk thing. Saving a few souls even for a few days IS worth it... But that wasnt the issue either. NOBODY was saying that 5 billion WILL end poverty and forever... THAT was HIS words. Kinda like Aaron Rodgers saying that he had Covid Toe and saying people were accusing him of having Covid Toe and then HE proceeds to prove that he does NOT have Covid Toe. NOBODY said to Musk that 5 billion will save world hunger. HE came to that defense by responding that way Your quote by the way. And thanx for posting it as I didnt have to search for it... Beasley also said that while the $6 billion figure wouldn’t solve world hunger, it “WILL prevent global political instability, mass migration and save 42 million people on the brink of starvation.” (CNN had erroneously reported that the money would “solve” world hunger, but later corrected its headline to say 2% of Musk’s fortune could “help solve” world hunger.) " And that would be MY take on this situation as well. Although my vision is not as grand by saying 5 billion will prevent political instability and mass migration. That to me is just stupid to think that way. Because political instability has NOTHING to do with Musk's money. But 5 billion goes a looooong way in helping a few human souls and if done the right way, could help those souls and many more for quite a long time. And for as long as it can, we should not question it. Didnt say solve. Re-read your own quote. But regardless... YOU didnt even read MY point of view. It really is NOT about solving ALL poverty. Its about helping. Spending hundreds of billions of dollars going to MArs in helping humanity hundreds of years from now on a fairly tale extinction scenario that is actually helping out that fairly tale to come true versus helping humans in the here and now... You dont see the hypocrisy?

Nope... You just do it. Its not about GIVING 5 billion dollars away. Its about building an infrastructure so that money could go a long way helping many people for as long as that money or infrastructure could survive. Its like this. There is a program that my restaurant is involved with. Its a government program (infrastructure that Im kinda talking about) that involves a high school close to the restaurant and the local businesses around it. It caters to the kids that are not into school and are a danger in becoming drop outs. Not every child wants to go the distance with higher education. Sometimes these kids do not want to invest the time for trade schools either. So, the businesses around this high school, be it a hot dog joint like mine, or McDonald's (I dont know if the owner of the McDonald's wants to be a part of this program) or the hairdresser place or the auto mechanics shop etc, we accept these kids and teach them what the business requires them to do as a job. I as an owner/manager mentor these kids. I shape their work ethics. I teach them what the job requires... We (the businesses) dont pay them, the government pays educators to follow up on their studies and their "job" that they do for me or other businesses. I do get a tax cash back for the time I take to teach them... Well, that takes money. And because its a government program, its tax payer money. I and other managers/owners dont save all kids, but we do are darndest to help them. Our time and effort trying to help our community as much as we can. Because of Covid, this program is on hiatus. What I just said, hopefully shines a light on some questions asked: 1. Does money solve ALL problems? No. It does not. Problems will always exist. Some help with some money helps some people sometimes. And THAT should be the goal. 2. Is it a permanent solution? No. it is not. But any help, no matter how much time and money it took, helping as many humans as we can be helped SHOULD be the goal. 3. A one time deal? No! Try to develop a program so it could sustain itself as long as it can. Covid putting a stop to this program temporarily is an example that nothing lasts forever. But... What if Musk could give a small share of Tesla shares to some sort program that HE has concocted to help a few poor souls in a city or town HE chooses to which the Tesla shares pay DIVIDENDS and that program gets that money revenue to pay for people to run a program... I dunno. That program buys a small location with a big enough kitchen and some 50 rooms or so. As small motel or mid sized hotel. The program hires staff to cook and wait on the rooms. Its a homeless shelter... financed by Tesla stock. Tesla stock that pays Tesla dividends to keep open to help homeless people in a small part of a city or town somewhere in this world. 5 billion dollars worth of Tesla stock keeps a place like that open at least a decade. A decade's worth of human help. And Musk doesnt even have to get his hands dirty... Maybe if he chooses, he could always foresee the funds and how those are used. Just a minor time of the day and the week for him. But then again... Tesla stock dont pay dividends. Space X does however rely on US government money, ie tax payer money (not all of Space X's funds is from Musk's money) Like I said. He is a phoquing hypocrite! If he has a solution to colonize Mars, surely he could forge a plan for his 5 billion to help a few souls for an x amount of time during his stay on planet earth...

But I guess helping a few souls with 5 or 6 billion dollars worth of money is not worth it for him... Phoque him I say!

I wanted to reply to you about that last week, but shyte happened at work and so time went by and so I forgot but here we are today. OK. For me, its not about giving him flak for not giving away HIS money regardless of what reason. For me, its the HYPOCRISY of Musk QUESTIONING what that 5 or 6 billion COULD do for humanity... For poverty or whatever reason, humanitarian aid requires NO proof of what could or could not help. ANY amount of help with money or time does MIRACLES for the HUMAN cause. He wants to go to another planet so we could colonize it so we as a species could survive an extinction event here on earth... He believes this is our species next big step... So spending billions upon billions upon billions of dollars POLLUTING along the way...because rocket fuel aint exactly great for THIS planet we are CURRENTLY living on... tryint to get to Mars, knowing DAMN WELL we cant as a species LIVE on Mars without polluting Mars WORSE than we have planet earth because as a species, we need water, and food to survive and a certain median temperature that Mars does not have to support us as a species therefore the amount of technology required to invent all that shyte will require tons of money more with tons of pollution more and to make all that work in Mars will require that we will pollute THAT planet worse that Earth... Oh...as we all know...us humans have ALREADY polluted space with our junk https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/03/world/iss-space-debris-russia-intl/index.html And we have not even BEGUN the colonization process...but we have spent billions and billions of dollars JUST getting to we are now with space exploration... yet this phoquer names Musk wants a blue print on how 5 or 6 billion could save hunger? Well, as we all know, we wont be able to solve ALL human poverty, but isnt it worth while to at least TRY and help a few people? 5 or 6 billion dollars worth of human help? In the right here right now and NOT spend HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars on a dream that we all know is not possible trying to colonize Mars sometime if the future that will NEVER arrive? Also...how about we NOT destroy THIS planet by having shytty ideas colonizing other planets? If our destiny is going extinct because of an asteroid hitting planet earth, so be it, but if we take care of our shyte and NOT pollute this planet, this planet will do alright...

I wasnt talking about that. I was talking about ANY restoration made on a car, hi dollar rollahs or a father and son project on a budget, SHOULD be enjoyed. But THAT is another form of recycling. Perhaps even a more greener approach as a factory is not being used to produce a new car, a factory is not being used to recycle the metals that are to be melted etc... But yeah, I agree with you, all those cars NOT being restored and they just sit there rotting away SHOULD be recycled. Either by being restored OR be...recycled.

*SIGH* THAT is IMPOSSIBLE... Different markets, different locations, different everything REQUIRES that the sales price IS different. Remember folks that MSRP means Manufacturer SUGGESTED Retail Price. Why? Because different locations have different taxes and rents to pay. You see THAT in affect when you buy a Big Mac right smack in the middle of Times Square New York, New York and you compare the price of that same Big Mac in Plattsburgh, New York. Also, most of you have undoubtedly have encountered this statement: At PARTICIPATING stores. THAT gives the freedom of the owner of a franchise to decide for him/herself what is THE best pricing strategy for them. Different locations and different areas absolutely have different markets and by that perfectly normal reality, prices WILL vary. Market adjustment pricing is no different. Costs for these dealerships have gone up. Different market reasons. Covid is one big one. Shipping costs because of Covid shut downs and shipping lane bottlenecks have caused this. NOT ALL of these market adjustments are of the price gauging variety... Some of it is. Some of it is not. But law of supply and demand is in full effect here. And its the basis of a free market system. Here is the kicker: The law of supply and demand BEFORE Covid FAVOURED the consumer on some products. We all enjoyed the rebates when an outgoing model was going away and the dealerships wanted to clear their inventories of last year's cars to make room for the new ones to sell... The tables have flipped...deal with it.

I had a discussion with you regarding this statement a while back. I said that a proper restoration requires lots of money. Although you didnt say it exactly like the quote I just quoted, I now understand what you meant. I did understand then also, its just that I was adamant to say that restoration, a proper restoration requires a lot of money. I can now re-think my logic just a tad. Obviously, there CAN be a subset of people that CAN do a proper and safe restoration without a crazy nut-n-bolt, hi-buck show car. But the bottom line is (like you said): ANY level of preservation IS a positive and SHOULD enjoyed!

I found myself not snacking on junk food as much. At the restaurant, I stopped nibbling on french fries, bacon, pepperoni, cheese kurds etc.. whenever I was near them. Just by doing that, I lost a lot of the belly I had, not that I had a big belly anyway, but its nice that I have lost at LEAST 5 lbs of unnecessary weight in that area. I also found myself not craving any sweets like I used to. Part of THAT reason is that my wife gives me all kinds of fruits to nibble on whenever I get the urge to nibble on something at work. And what THAT does is that also curbs my sweet tooth. But yeah, I miss those care free days of eating just about everything and anything at any time day or night no matter how much I ate. Not that I count calories now either, but I just love...eating everything and anything at any time day or night and at 48 I cannot do that anymore.

Not a crusade, buddy. Whining about a burnt LED taillight, even on a Tesla, is no reason to whine about it especially when one does not know the history of that Tesla. And THAT has been the message all along.

Also downvoted for the sheer ignorance and bitchiness By all means though, just take up another page over this mole hill as well

You can agree to disagree all you want. You and Dave are BOTH wrong...

Me neither. And I wont be buying ANY of his vehicles EVER because I DESPISE what he represents and what he is envisioning and how he goes about it. He wanted to sell 5% of Tesla stock all along. He slyly made a point to ask a question if 5 billion will solve poverty and if somebody proved it, he wouldnt sell Tesla stock to donate to the poor somehow... Yet the phoquer does not need any proof. Why isnt he a philanthropist and just donate 5 dollars to a cause. Maybe he does donate. but he sure looked like an a$$h073 asking. The thing is, Tesla's are built OK. They are not death traps rolling out the production floor. They are death traps on how Musk markets his self driving feature. That THERE is another reason why I dont wanna buy any cars of his. Like Balthy said, most people are OK with the quirks of Tesla production and QC woes. Honestly, those woes are not that big of a deal. Others, like that Chinese incident, wont accept it. YOU, may not want to accept it either. RIGHTFULLY so! But where are YOU dissing on Chevrolet and GM when Chevrolet has launched SEVERAL HUNDRED C8s to the public that are subpar? If you want to tell me about Tesla's THOUSANDS of shytty cars. I CAN find THOUSANDS of GM cars too... I repeat, a burnt LED taillight is NOT a reason to whine about Tesla ESPECIALLY when we dont know the HISTORY of THAT Model 3... In any case, Tesla IS American. YOU are American... You SHOULD be fanboying Tesla blindly JUST how other cultures fanboy blindly their very own car industry. Wanting MORE from Tesla is what you SHOULD be saying. Not bitching that you wont buy a Tesla just because of a burnt LED taillight that probably has been hit in a parking lot... Just sayin' yes its enjoyable. Other than needless whining. I too, have seen MANY GM products that are less than stellar condition prompting me to question if I will ever own another GM vehicle... See how that works? PS: The needless whining goes for my whining about your whining...

Common bro... You know damn well that used vehicles at car dealerships are sold as is... NO! A burnt LED taillight is NO indication of shoddy production or crappy QC. ESPECIALLY if one does NOT know what the history of the vehicle in question is all about... https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/04/youtuber-discusses-c8-corvette-build-quality-issues-video/ From a pro GM website. Yes. Yes. Tesla has issues... Yes we know that. Being a drama queen about a burnt LED taillight is disingenuous. @surreal1272 And no! Me pointing THAT out is not hypocritical of me.

Yes it does. Bitchin' about a burnt LED taillight is just stupid. Especially when he doesnt know why that burnt taillight exists in the first place. (Somebody hitting the Tesla at a parking lot for instance...but David claiming its Tesla's fault) Welcome to the shyte show, Tesla? So we choose to bitch and whine like children when we are all adults? No! A burnt LED taillight is NOT valid to bitch about and start snowflaking around vowing never to buy a Tesla product.... Not for Old GM. Not for Tesla. Not for anybody. I repeat, keep the whiny bias at bay. My dad's '86 Celebrity paint flaked at the wheel wells. My dad's and my '94 Grand Am flaked at the wheel wells My '99 Olds Alero's paint flaked at the wheel wells. My '05 Impala SS' paint flaked at the wheel wells. Most GM cars I see on the road, from the 1980s-mid 2000s, all have paint flaiking at the wheel wells and the cars are rusted in that spot. But yeah. Lets all sing kumbaya and believe GM is fault free...but Tesla is shyte JUST because we are all GM fangirls.

@David You laughing at this is exactly how OCNBLU handled discussions... Dont laugh, David. C8 production had to be shut down twice for problems for their wheels. The C7 also had this problem. You could google to find out what the problem was. And yes, problematic cars were delivered to customers only to be recalled back. The DCT also had some gremlins to it. The C8 also had engine valve springs go dead. And yes, customers had to get them back to the dealers to fix. Paint has ALWAYS been an issue for GM since the 1980s. And the C8 is no different for paint defects. ALL OEMs have their QC issues. its how the OEM decides to address the issues before, during and after delivery. Now, if you wanna trash talk Tesla, you EASILY could by telling us that you wont buy a Tesla product because IF the car happens to have a production defect, Tesla probably will NOT address the issue but GM, MODERN GM, will fix ALL issues no problems. Old GM? Well, lets not talk about old GM. Wont fit the Tesla is crap, and only Tesla is crap tirade we wanna go on...

Its a hit or miss with Tesla when buying a Tesla car. I understand that. What is NOT acceptable though when arguing this, is using superficial reasons to trash talk Tesla. Tesla is known to have shytty paint jobs. Chalk this one up to QC. But guess what? GM also had shytty piant jobs just as recent as 5 years ago. Tesla is also known to have inconsistent body gaps. Its also known to have an inconsistency with that too. Some cars will have great finish all around while others will have horrendous body gaps. Chalk that one up to shoddy production, let alone QC. But...Chevrolet has had issues with their launch of their C8 Corvette in that car had some QC issues too... Paint problems, faulty wheel castings for 2020 AND 2021..., a few electrical gremlins here and there... Like I said, its disingenuous to ALWAYS shyte on Tesla...

There will be a time when dealerships H-P will realize that their business model of trying to sell that particular unit ABOVE MSRP is not working and will eventually price correct, right?

I have a hard time understanding the 'greedy dealership takes away sales from the manufacturer' argument. This is how I understand the OEM/dealership relationship works: An OEM will produce a certain amount of units. The dealership BUYS those units DIRECTLY from the OEM. The OEM sells every single one it produces. The dealership is the one stuck with the unsold inventory. If dealership A-G overprice their inventory but sells every single one of them. Its OK, right? If dealership H-P overprice their inventory but doesnt sell a single unit, its their problem, right? If dealership Q-Z prices their units at MSRP and sells them at MSRP or below and they sell every single unit, that is good too, right? Dealerships A-G and Q-Z have their inventories depleted, so they order more, right? OEM builds more and sells to dealerships A-G and Q-Z. Maybe dealership A-G and Q-Z buys up the inventory of dealerships H-P, right? If my understanding of the OEM and dealership is correct, this is why I do not understand the argument. Sure, there are greedy dealerships, but if they do not sell their inventory, its on them. The OEM has already sold those units... But if greedy dealerships sell to overzealous and dumb customers, you cant fault the dealership to do so. And if THAT business model is successful, then the 'greedy' moniker should cease to be given to said dealership. If however that business model is a failure, then the 'greedy' moniker should also cease to be given. Dumb business owner should be the moniker given. Greed has NOTHING to do with buying and selling. Greed is a different animal... Anyway, back to the misunderstanding of the OEM/dealership relationship. Of course if all dealerships A through Z are incapable of selling a certain model and the OEM finds itself over producing, than that is a different angle. But the OEM will sell those units anyway and offer cash back to the dealership who will offer that cashback to the customer via rebates, right? In order to sell the units the OEM produced. In which case these units are NOT going to be sold OVER MSRP anyway, right?

Common @David First, you talk about LED lights being burnt to which Ive seen plenty of 100 year old established OEMs that have that same problem on their recent automobiles. Now...you find issues with leaks? How many F-Body pony cars had leaky T-Tops in the 1970s and well into the early 2000s? Chevrolet and GM at THAT point in time was close to 90 years old and Pontiac 80. Yes. Tesla is lacking in quality control. Not too long ago, so was GM, Ford. I dont like the bias arguments. Lets keep that under wraps. There is nothing really really wrong at Tesla with QC. They need to improve. They will. In all honesty, nothing at Buick gives me any warm fuzzies of luxury. Nor at Cadillac with their lower end offerings. Tesla fits in here perfectly with GM's offerings... Now I know you will say lets agree to disagree, but taking a stance like yours in this instance is disingenuous.

That 21K represents Mach E sales and its forecasted to sell about 24K for the year. Which is also forecasted to beat GM's EV sales and out selling GM for EVs this year. All forecasted of course but its trending that way. Bolt and Bolt EUVs sales are halted due to battery problems. Not saying anything other than the Mach E is forecasted to sell 24 thousand units for 2021. I will be saying though, is that there is lots of room to sell MORE!!! And I wished it kinda did sell more. At least if it hit 30 thousand units. Maybe for 2022. But then again, (realistically speaking) I would want Ford to sell 40-50 thousand Mach Es for 2022