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My local Chevy/GMC dealer sells new 1500's with wheels/tires and a small lift brand new. They're not terrible but they're definitely on the track to be true bro-dozers.

2500 size comparison

I have also looked at and sat in the new truck, parked next to the last gen.

It's like people think they can tell what is more aero efficient based solely on looks... Quick summary: 7% more aerodynamically efficient than the outgoing model. http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/07/2019-silverado-aero-enhancing-air-curtains-feature-spotlight/

Yeah... Let's hear all about only the GM vehicles... Moar Cruze! ??‍♂️

My top three would be CLS, Rebel, AT4 in no particular order.

It's not a bad option but I don't know why one would choose this over the 5.3 or Ford's 2.7.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2019-chevy-silverado-2-7-four-cylinder-23-mpg-fuel-economy/ "The 2019 Chevrolet Silverado is the first modern full-size pickup to get a four-cylinder engine option, and now we know how efficient the new mill will be. The all-new 2.7-liter, turbocharged power plant will yield an estimated 20 miles per gallon city, 23 mpg highway, and 20 mpg combined in rear-wheel-drive configuration, as paired to a standard eight-speed automatic transmission. Despite its healthy 310 horsepower and 348 pound-feet of torque, those fuel-efficiency figures may come across as slightly disappointing to some truck shoppers, as they aren't class-leading numbers compared to small-engine offerings from its main rivals, the Ford F-150 and Ram 1500. According to the data on FuelEconomy.gov, Ford's 2018 F-Series truck offers up to 20 mpg city, 26 highway and 22 mpg combined with its turbocharged 2.7-liter V6. The Blue Oval engine actually offers more horsepower (325) and more torque, some 400 pound-feet. The F-150's larger, naturally aspirated 3.3-liter V6, which Chevy says is a better comparison, still offers 19 city, 25 highway, 22 combined, but it's less powerful at 290 hp and 265 pound-feet. For its part, the new 2019 Ram 1500 offers a 3.6-liter V6 powertrain that generates 305 hp and 269 pound-feet. It also delivers EPA estimates of 20 mpg city, 25 hwy and 22 combined. The Ram truck stacks the efficiency deck somewhat, however, as it features Fiat Chrysler Automobiles' eTorque mild-hybrid assist, which also means the powertrain can deliver up to 359 pound-feet of torque in bursts. The Chevy Silverado 1500's new 2.7-liter turbo engine replaces General Motors' naturally aspirated 4.3-liter V6 in a high-volume Silverado LT and a new RST sport-truck variant. The long-serving six-cylinder remains available as a base engine elsewhere in the Silverado lineup. Despite the somewhat disappointing fuel mileage figures for Chevy's new four-cylinder, buyers should be happy with the powertrain's 2,280-pound payload rating, which is up to 600 pounds more than similarly equipped trucks from its cross-town rivals. However, the 2.7-liter's max tow rating of 7,200 pounds is slightly worse. ..."

I understand what you're saying but because of plastic they're allowed to make something that can hold 30% more while taking up the same area on the vehicle.

That's an interesting take on trucks in the EU. I completely see your point, too. Wouldn't a 70k Platinum F150 here be roughly 100k there?

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I think the key phrase in the description is, "held 30% more oil in the same package space". So yes it's a different shape but that's probably because the aluminum can only be stamped in such a shape whereas plastics can be molded into basically anything.

ABSOLUTELY

Clarkson is the man and doesn't give a crap about offending people.

Neat info on the similarities and differences. And https://www.automobilemag.com/news/nissan-navara-pickup-redesigned-frontier-to-be-different/

Seeming how you're asking... the MK7 GTI has had a plastic oil pan sense 2015. The 6.7L Powrestroke Ford has been a composite since 2010. Or are you asking like pre-2000?

You also don't like anything German made so this isn't surprising.

I also don't think it is at the level of a Chevy.

Oh I don't think it looks genuinely luxurious and I insinuated it was too pricey for what you're getting but I don't think anything about the interior looks worse than what's currently out there.

I wouldn't worry about it.

I just did a little googling and they've been around for a long time and apparently the 2015+ F150 has had them.

My Escape had a little plastic skidplate(I presume it was for less aerodynamic drag) that would have been plenty to keep a plastic oil pan covered from most anything you drive over. This can't be the first plastic oil pan, is it?

Have you seen the interior of a Colorado, Canyon, Tacoma, or Frontier? If you think this looks cheap I cannot imagine how bad you think the Colorado's interior looks in comparison.

I don't see anything wrong with it other than the price.

I don't see any reason to be concerned about a plastic oil pan. It isn't like it will be made of the same plastic of a water bottle. Composites have made such great advances that they should be used more where they can.