surreal1272

Tesla fans: "Tesla will sell 20 million cars by "X" year because the make the best EVs and have the best battery tech." Meanwhile at Tesla: https://www.yahoo.com/news/tesla-lands-hot-water-report-100000724.html

Your "point" was pointless as you have been told repeatedly, that it would never be sold outside of Japan (on top of being corrected over all your mistakes regarding the Century in the first damn place). Stop creating issues where none exist. FFS.

Yeah, because it's always a good business case to NOT make money on your product FFS. They don't have to sell high numbers or anywhere else other than Japan, which is how it is always been. They will not move this out of Japan nor change it's hand built nature (hence the only 30 a month and hand over fist money behind). Just stop the hypothetical BS. The article can speculate all it wants but that doesn't make it so. They have ZERO reason to change the current business model behind the Century lineup and if you actually read about their history and relevance in Japan, you would understand why it's that way and will most likely stay that way. Until then, save the speciation, the misinformation, and just otherwise outright wrong statements, like you have peddled on this thread. It's just embarrassing.

See my post about the TNGA platform and stop spreading bull$h!. You are trying to think of this in traditional platform terms without knowing a thing about Toyota's actual platforms. Just skip the fact that they only have to hand build 30 of these a month and make hand over fist money on them. Hell, the sedan has been running on a hybrid V8 system since 2018 but you clearly didn't know that when you made your statement about it still having a V12. Again, just half baked statements by you.

Just popping in to give SMK his daily dose of "being wrong" x2. One, The Century Sedan is still being sold along side the SUV. This is not a replacement. Two, it is using the TNGA platform, which is used in FWD, RWD, and AWD applications, from the Prius to the upcoming Land Cruiser. This is not "$170k for a FWD platform".

That can be said for literally every group of tech buyers out there, whether it’s Apple, Google, Microsoft, or any number of tech buyers out there. To assume it’s just Apple users that are like that is woefully ignorant on your part. I’ve done onsite tech work and shop work for Apple products and Windows and guess what? They are the same type of folks which is why they had me look at their stuff. Just asinine assumptions made by you David. Sorry but you put it on full display here. And I’m not speaking as just a computer person. I’m speaking as a person with years of experience with people who use all types of tech. Don’t try an conflate things here. What I am saying is common sense and you know it. Maybe it’s you that need to take yourself out of the computer talk if you don’t understand that.

And yet again, your bias is showing hard since I ALSO took the time to learn what I was using AND how to fix things when they go wrong and my Apple stuff is no exception. Your attempt to (yet again) lump in a particular group, in this case Apple users, through an obvious biased lens still reeks of condescension, which seems to be why you "laughed" at my last post in the first place. Point being, you clearly don't know as much as about certain users as you think and you seem to know even less about the work that can or cannot be done on their products but again, what does a 30+ year user (and fixer) of them know.

That's what my reaction was for because the iPhones I have had for years at a time, never gave me battery issues. My current 12 Pro Max is just about 3 years old with no problems whatsoever but then again, I am not a kid playing games and such for 16 hours a day, which is why your kids phone batteries tank after a few years. Here's the thing, I have a tech background too David and those battery issues for your kids would exist whether they were using iOS or Android for the same reasons mentioned above. I am going to skip the condescending nature of your post regarding Apple users and their lack of wanting to deal with maintenance or just being otherwise lazy BS. Newsflash. NO ONE WANTS TO DEAL WITH MAINTENANCE, whether it's a phone or a car. This is coming from someone with 30+ years on the Mac platform, 30 years on Windows, a few years on Linux, 13 years of iOS, and 2 years of Android (as I stare at my "newer" 4 year iMac and 18 year old Mac Pro G5 tower that still works as good as the day it came out in 2005). What the hell do I know though. And I'm done, for a while. Same but I guess everyone has "that" about $h! batteries on iPhones while I constantly sold batteries to Android users for their barely 1-2 year phones. Use what you want to use but don't condescend over it and belittle users but calling them lazy for about the dumbest damn reasons imaginable (obviously, that part was directed at you lol).

For the very last time @smk4565, ANY brand that has multiple FWD models is playing in THAT PART of the mainstream market and no amount of bar moving BS about ever changing ATPs changes that. You have been told this by multiple folks so stop acting like you don't know the truth here.

He fails to see that the ATP does not mean $h!. The bulk of Benz sales are from their models like the A class, CLA, GLC, GLA, etc, which DO compete against the mainstream models out there. This isn't "opinion". This is "fact". It's why Mercedes started selling lower priced models 20 years ago (C230 anyone?). High line priced cars alone would not keep them in business and SMK knows that but that fanboy logic won't let him admit it. He fails, as well, to see the bigger point and that is the Tesla DOES compete in the luxury market as well as the mainstream, despite his BS claims to the contrary.

@smk4565 You are just too predictable. Now, go ahead and deflect from this other comparison (from yet another Benz dealer) involving Teslas best seller and the EQB. But hey, there not going after the luxury market right? https://www.sbmercedes.com/eqb-vs-tesla-model-y.htm Tesla is Mercedes. They compete in the luxury and mainstream market, end of discussion and no amount of your bar moving and fanboy nonsense changes that.

I'm just going to leave these right here for you to see how 100% full of $h! you are to say they don't compete in the luxury market. Courtesy of Two different Benz dealerships. Might want to tell them Tesla doesn't compete in the luxury market. The lesson here is stop repeating the same old BS you keep posting day in and day out. FFS.

That hasn't been what you have said whenever their sale figures came up so just drop that current excuse because I am bot playing the bar moving game with you. Point being, everyone is pulling that in one fashion or another because new inventories are up everywhere, as it has been pointed out to you MULTIPLE TIMES here. Stop posting like you have completely forgotten those facts. And this is why I don't post much here anymore. The wash, rinse, repeat bull$h! you post while ignoring everything else that runs counter to your BS.

Ho many times do people have to tell you why Hyundais numbers are the way they are right now? You've been told repeatedly here so I'm not going over that with you because clearly you just ignore $h! when it's convenient to you. Having said that... What's your favorite brands excuse for the $7500 bonus offer on select leased EQs? Maybe you should just sit this one out for once SMK.

Good lord Olds. You are not this ignorant. I have shown countless other articles in the past showing that they get those kind of miles. Again, facts abound if you care to actually look without the obvious blinders. For example, this article is about projections. These are ACTUAL NUMBERS! Say it with me Olds, "ACTUAL NUMBERS". https://247wallst.com/special-report/2022/04/16/this-is-the-longest-lasting-car-on-the-road-2/ Again, ALL FACT, not anecdotal opinions. It his also clear that you seem too think I see Toyotas as perfect, when I have never said such things nor even close to such things. They have issues for sure and they have laid some eggs and had some issues with some models. However, there is a literal MOUNTAIN of data that backs up my long term reliability claims. I don't give a damn what your hangups are on this but that facts don't lie so feel be to be angry, post some long winded rant, misrepresent what I have been saying, etc. Like with SMK, I am done with pointless debates. Take it however you want.

And this is where they have been failing. Their EV lateness has bit them hard over there but it should be noted that any company NOT from China faces a constant uphill battle there. Japanese companies, in particular, have a very fragile economic standing in China (old history and such).

Some folks have a difference of opinion and that is okay. Other folks have a difference of facts and I never will agree with that. (And that only took two little sentences lol)

Tell me you didn't actually read the supplied article without actually saying you didn't read the supply article. And I quote: "The Toyota Land Cruiser and Sequoia are both mainstays on longevity and reliability lists, so it’s no surprise to see them near the top. Though they didn’t make the top overall list, the Toyota Sienna and Toyota Avalon topped their respective segments." And... "The iSeeCars study found that SUVs and trucks occupy 75 percent of the top 20 vehicles with the potential to last the longest, and Toyota alone accounts for half of the top 20. Interestingly, the Prius and Highlander Hybrid made the list, suggesting that automakers are getting better at making batteries last a long time." And last (but not least), two more sedans for the complainers... , I'm not bothering with the rest of it because ANY car can have some reported problems but as it has been pointed out multiple times (and willfully ignored by some folks here), it is the frequency of said problems and duration that matters more and the fact is that EVERY reliability study out there routinely puts Toyota at or near the top. This is not an opinion. This is a fact supported by countless articles that have been provided in the past. If you want to ignore that and keep on whining about it, that is on you but stop expecting others to buy into the BS. It's really that simple and I am sorry it is so hard hard for you to get past but that is all I am gong to say about it.

"Toyota's are overhyped for their reliability and are junk" (paraphrased) Also Toyota: Toyota and Honda made the longevity list, as expected, but there are several pickup trucks. The 10 most likely vehicles to make it to 250,000 miles: Toyota 4Runner: 41% chance of making it Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD: 41.3% GMC Sierra 2500HD: 41.3% Toyota Tacoma: 41.7% Honda Pilot: 42.7% Ford F-250 Super Duty: 43.6% Toyota Sequoia: 47.1% Toyota Tundra: 47.9% Toyota Land Cruiser: 47.9% Ford F-350 Super Duty: 49.1% Source: https://www.yahoo.com/autos/cars-most-likely-250-000-161600494.html

Sometimes I like throwing in subtle little reminders to the anti-EV crowd. Over a century of ICE cars and related infrastructure and yet fuel stations still have THIS problem. https://www.wbir.com/article/money/drivers-left-without-vehicles-sams-club-gas-station-issue/527-f9fc57f8-ed46-4e26-a645-9dea8b7f8122?fbclid=IwAR3Dg6jBzBxkGaJHe0Ys-73IQBDps2Qi0C66zuYHzrB8ydh_o0uPalAus1A

Very nice property there and the interior is mostly a good paint job and new floor away from being a "new" home. Congrats!

Thanks. I was not running on all cylinders the last few days due to complete garage for sleep ("come on already hip surgery") and my eyes were not in a focusing mood lol. Thanks for supplying that info. The other article, oddly enough, didn't seem to mention that. At least Polestar has the good sense to keep it. The others, though, deserve some scorn lol.

Maybe I missed it but I didn't see anything about CarPlay support of any kind by Polestar. Help me out.

Just more UGH. While I get the purpose of this type of system, its obvious omissions are a big "NO" for me but even the Android side is half baked and is limited by the automaker Google partners with. The Polestar example proves this. The entertainment limitations (missing features that companies like Tesla have) and all the "multi-use" Android OS features are hogtied by the parent companies love for all things safety. The missing features are deliberate (although some options may change on that front). Other companies will have plus and minuses in this regard as well. In the end, I just don't get it, long term, other than the pure greed factors I have brought up before. On the one hand (CarPlay Omission and entertainment options) but get it on another (simplified development for automakers). I will be keeping up with this over the next few years, when I may finally pull the trigger on an EV. Right now, I am generally not impressed with the interface options.

Tesla fan: "Tesla will sell 10 million cars by 2026, outselling everyone" Also Tesla: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/tesla-stock-plummeting-why-one-193727177.html