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Jeep News: Rumorpile: Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk
daves87rs replied to William Maley's topic in Jeep
But what a way to go....- 14 replies
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I agree with most of ya....just simply upgrading to something newer....
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+1 Granted the base ones don't do bad....but those higher trim levels....
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Why this car has a CVT I have no idea..... Bottom of the front bumper sticks out too much though!
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Make an account, if you even can, and give it a go. You'll be back after five minutes, guaranteed. Wow, that's bad! I've been of plenty of sites over the years.....seen some crazy trolling. Some of my faves though were off of my old J body site (Jbody.org) made some great cavalier stories.....lol. Now I'm kinda tempted to try just to see.....
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Have to ask...was MT that bad. I've heard stuff on other sites, but it sounds like it is getting crazy over there.... Good to have new members though! I think we tend to be a pretty opened minded group for the most part....
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Love em, just too much for me.....
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Like that castle!
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Yeah, most of it was BS.... Kinda like McDonald's, anytime you can take a negative shot to the product...no matter what.....
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Toyota News: Toyota's Australian Branch Wants the Tundra
daves87rs replied to William Maley's topic in Toyota
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Betting a few people are going to jail here... Mess up here was an understatement...
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Perception is different than reality. Unless you have internal knowledge or concrete facts, you are just posting your opinion. Maybe... just can't say.... Point is you don't think the new camaro's tech is not going to rub off on other models? Can't dream of a twin turbo Cruze? What new tech? Most of the tech already exists and the small cars with performance exist. Bring one then we can talk. Maybe I should say more way of thinking...tricks done to the camaro to make it lighter and faster. Models that will get some of that heavy hardware. And if they are going to build a pocket rocket, it better be able to handle some abuse. I think smaller engines are little tougher than the bigger ones just based on how much PSI that little guy can take. While I've seen some good tunes on the Cruze's 1.4, it's also easy to toast if you're not careful. With the right setup, might not be too hard depending on the engine to push some ponies. Watching people beating on their ST's gives me hope GM can do they same. Besides, it might not hurt GM to take a cue from what they did with the new camaro SS....where a regular production engine is built to be abused on a track....Now that Idea I like......
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Agreed!
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You, my good friend, are in a rare crowd right now. None of these cars are big sellers at the moment, and I know Ford is cutting back on ST production right now. And while it's good to have a halo car right now, I'm just not sure if the time is right just yet. With GM working on a bunch of updated models right now, I would rather see that finished first. And I am not so sure about the Cruze...I've seen quite a few modded ones, so I know there is some movement out there. Lots of folks are modding that 1.4 anyways.. Trust me, as a small car guy myself, I'd love to agree with ya! Just not GM is ready yet.... I never said that the sales will be sky high, hence my reference to reduced ROIC (Return of Invested Capital). And I never mention them to be halo cars. These cars are never intended to be sold at rate of 25,000 a month, but even at 2,500 to 3,000 a month that is additional 10% sales. GM always seems to look at 80-20, target the 80 and ignore the 20 and this my friend is no different. These cars are mainly for goodwill and keeping enthusiasts within the family while adding some profit and GM is horrible at retention. When is the right time, if not now? Unlike Z-06, Z-28, or V which take substantial R&D, most of these cars are high performance versions of lesser siblings that can be developed with them simultaneously, just ask Mercedes Benz how it does with AMG. Suspension tuning and handling is the only part that will require extra work. But it's not like starting ground up. Given GM's size it will ALWAYS be working on updating models. GM was not ready with Cruze 6 years ago when it did not bring SS version (yes fully agree with bankruptcy) but nothing is preventing that now, I guess with this mentality it will never be ready. Nah, I'll think they'll be ready...I onl y have to look at the new Camaro to see where the future lies for cars like the Cruze. I think for the first time in a long time, we'll like what we'll see...... Perception is different than reality. Unless you have internal knowledge or concrete facts, you are just posting your opinion. Maybe... just can't say.... Point is you don't think the new camaro's tech is not going to rub off on other models? Can't dream of a twin turbo Cruze?
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Believe it or not, if we're talking fun daily driver and not all out model, I think it might not be much more....
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You, my good friend, are in a rare crowd right now. None of these cars are big sellers at the moment, and I know Ford is cutting back on ST production right now. And while it's good to have a halo car right now, I'm just not sure if the time is right just yet. With GM working on a bunch of updated models right now, I would rather see that finished first. And I am not so sure about the Cruze...I've seen quite a few modded ones, so I know there is some movement out there. Lots of folks are modding that 1.4 anyways.. Trust me, as a small car guy myself, I'd love to agree with ya! Just not GM is ready yet.... I never said that the sales will be sky high, hence my reference to reduced ROIC (Return of Invested Capital). And I never mention them to be halo cars. These cars are never intended to be sold at rate of 25,000 a month, but even at 2,500 to 3,000 a month that is additional 10% sales. GM always seems to look at 80-20, target the 80 and ignore the 20 and this my friend is no different. These cars are mainly for goodwill and keeping enthusiasts within the family while adding some profit and GM is horrible at retention. When is the right time, if not now? Unlike Z-06, Z-28, or V which take substantial R&D, most of these cars are high performance versions of lesser siblings that can be developed with them simultaneously, just ask Mercedes Benz how it does with AMG. Suspension tuning and handling is the only part that will require extra work. But it's not like starting ground up. Given GM's size it will ALWAYS be working on updating models. GM was not ready with Cruze 6 years ago when it did not bring SS version (yes fully agree with bankruptcy) but nothing is preventing that now, I guess with this mentality it will never be ready. Nah, I'll think they'll be ready...I onl y have to look at the new Camaro to see where the future lies for cars like the Cruze. I think for the first time in a long time, we'll like what we'll see......
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You, my good friend, are in a rare crowd right now. None of these cars are big sellers at the moment, and I know Ford is cutting back on ST production right now. And while it's good to have a halo car right now, I'm just not sure if the time is right just yet. With GM working on a bunch of updated models right now, I would rather see that finished first. And I am not so sure about the Cruze...I've seen quite a few modded ones, so I know there is some movement out there. Lots of folks are modding that 1.4 anyways.. Trust me, as a small car guy myself, I'd love to agree with ya! Just not GM is ready yet....
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Dare I say I agree with Reg here. The younger set for the most part are not buying these cars, it's the F & F crowd grown up from the last decade. I have yet to see a real youngin' around here driving in a Focus ST...and while they are great cars, what kid has 30k laying around? I would love to see GM make a faster Cruze, but I'd rather see the money invested elsewhere in the company right now...
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If this comment was for me - Good and that's what it should. But when you thumb the nose, you go one up, not one down. 3.6 is not a proper engine to go thumb the nose at when there are other powerful engines from the competitors. The 3.6 ATS is $7k less than a C400 4Matic. Start adding options and the delta between the two grows larger because Benz options are more expensive. The ATS 3.6 is a V6 at C300 price, or a 328i price, or A4 2.0T price.... Now, now let us not go there. There's a difference between price and performance and I'm not talking about the former. This tweener mentality is what has got people like one of the posters on this thread talking about how the Cadillacs should be $5,000 to 6,000 less than what they are currently priced. ATS 2.5 has BMW 320, IS250, nothing from other competitors. You have the 2.0T for 328, A4 2.0T, C300, etc. And then the 3.6 competing with the C400, IS350, S4, 335i (340i). If you match or offer the performance better than the competitors with less price then your performance value coefficient is excellent. When you have performance and value lower than competitors, then you are making excuses. While I don't agree with a 5-6k drop, even a slight undercut wouldn't hurt. We can say what we want, match toe to toe and win, but caddy still falls short on the image with the others. And it's GM's fault, plain and simple. Where's the marketing? Some kind of image? At least the Camaro has bumblebee.....but seriously- they have to find a way to get butts in seats to prove their worth (which will be good!), so news starts to spread. The product is there, but getting that message to the consumer seems to be the issue. Beemers and Benz's images were not built overnight, and regardless of what is said, will take a while to really break in there.. And I do agree...don't give away the cars either...as it questions the quality of the brand.....
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I'm not as worried about the product....when GM can do it right, boy can they.... They lack image, marketing. Hence my first rant.....
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This is the typical GM buyer mentality Cadillac has to meet or overcome. You guys are so smart. GM is following your line, and it is sinking. Wisdome does not come from spouting the company line it comes with seeing reality, and reacting properly. Lexus got to be a major player by coming in lower, and giving more. Cadillac was doing that and getting built back up in volume and transaction price. Low and behold the geniuses come in, say that is wrong let them pay more, and they will come. Guess what, wrong again. By the way I can negotiate and get incentives from BMW dealers and etc., but that just flies in the face or your "logic," and you are wiser than I. I bow to the superior marketing and sales intellect. Well good, then don't forget to stay down then. Sadly, it is marketing that is eating them alive....cause it's sure not the product. The only product I see overpriced now is the CTS, but that is more based on the fact that it was the entry level product before the ATS, so those before might have noticed the increase there. Creating an image for the cars would be nice though... I'm not so sure where you see this "sinking" part of GM,as everything can be adjusted on the fly here.......
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Which would be a good start....
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Here, I'll keep it simple: The line up needs more shake up. If GM wants to keep comparing themselves to other automakers, then they will just get their asses handed to them. Lincoln, for as useless as it is, at least will get some direction and a chance to go it's own way to dive into the market. It's why I think it has a chance to do something..... The problem with caddy is that it is trying to be in a market that no one cares about it. Comparing it to the Benz and Beemer boys is that they are still popular and old school (style wise) Yet, I still see talks of numbers... While there is nothing wrong with chasing benchmarks (can still check some of those boxes), some new models might help here as well. Maybe shake up the image a little.....edgy, sporty, and fun (with a little cred to that truck that still sells. Bring back some emotion to a bunch of letters... (okay, time to get off my soapbox and get yelled at) I'm a bit emotional here, simply to the fact that I think Caddy has stalled due to lack of change......
