Intrepidation

I for one have the time.

...where people abbreviate words because we are lazy and it takes less to type. In the real world everyone I know calls a car by its full name.

I don't know what happened to NOS, but the competition forums just died. I for one enjoyed them, it'd be nice is someone took them over, at least during his absence and kick started them. kthxbai

Mark my words: I will own one of these someday...in black.

I'd love to hear this guy's repsone. The only thing you forgot ot mention in your reply is the improved quality of GM's cars and trucks.

WANT!

Yet again you are mistaken, not everyone else uses DOHC. Honda's 3.5 V6 in the Accord for example is SOHC. Research man, try it sometime.

Not surprising, and it would make perfect sense if they picked up where they left off once t hings get better.

:censored: :cussing:

More proof that certain (a lot) of people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

if Zeta is to be redesign soon this further proves my idea has merit in terms of cost. Holden redesigns Zeta for it's Commodore. The G8 is a Commodore. SO the next gen G8 needs nothing beyond whatever crash standard it needs, left hand drive, and some Pontiac cues. Unless they were just planning to kill Zeta, then that doesn't do much good.

I agree that something needs to be done, these errors are getting as bad as they were on the old server.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/269846

Why, exactly?

I love fuselage Mopars. That Imperial is really nice too, amazingly clean. It's amazing that he bought 2 of everything.

The Magnum's downfall was also that it was intended to be high volume, if we are going by Pontiac being a niche, lower volume brand, taht wouldn't be as much of an issue. Plus, as I said, production could be adjusted based on demand for the particular models. As well, the Ute could be successful as a niche model, because there are a lot of fans of the El Camino who want a new one. If it's alow volume product that number of potential buyers could be spread out. I thinka ll 3 would keep in line with Pontiac's focus, as performance oriented vehicles, because they all are, Again, if it's lower volume it should be as big of an issue, plus Holden was reportedly looking into a hybrid system for the Commodore. Alpha is a nice thought but costs more to develop for Pontiac, and with Chevy getting one already, you'd get overlap.

I got that too...at least the errors have variety!

Pontiac’s Focused, Niche Role The One Product that can pull it off. By Andrew Currie News has been grim as a of late from GM. All options are on the table with GM’s brands. Latest word is that at least one brand, Saturn or Saab may get the axe, in addition to the sell-off of Hummer. According to GM, Pontiac may very well become a niche, even one model brand. Supposedly it will be much more focused than it is now, with its lineup made of mostly rebadges. GM is strapped for cash; it doesn’t have the money to poor into the development of an all new vehicle for Pontiac. This would seem like a major problem, as though Pontiac would once again be placed on the backburner. However of the entire current crop of Pontiac vehicles, there is one that can achieve the goal of making Pontiac a focused brand: the G8. Out of Pontiac’s lineup, the G8 is the only one that has the potential to fulfill Pontiac’s new roll. Pontiac’s other products, the G3, G5, and G6 all compete directly with Chevrolet products. In fact two of the three are nothing more than rebadges with red lighting. The Vibe is a reskinned Toyota Matrix, which is neither sporty, nor particularly good looking, plus it’s not even a GM product besides the tweaks to make it “look” Pontiac. Even the Solstice is not unique, as Saturn has the same product with different sheetmental. It also has many rough edges, particularly the interior, the storage, and the roof. It is niche, but too much so. Besides, the Kappa platform is said to not see a redesign due to cost and not enough volume. That leaves us with the G8. Of all of Pontiacs, this is the most “finished” one. It has been universally praised as not only the best Pontiac in decades, but one of GM’s best products. The G8 is also unique among the GM family in North America. No other brand has something quite like it. Save for Cadillac’s CTS, which is in another league, all of GM’s other large cars are FWD based. The G8’s RWD architecture is the car’s trump card. It competes with nothing in GM’s current lineup. It’s combination of sporty handling, quality interior, smart looks, excellent powertrains, and practicality means that it can fill a niche that no other car in GM’s lineup can. This car effectively embodies all that Pontiac should stand for. It also means that it can play the role of a niche, fairly low volume car, but not so low as to make it unprofitable. In fact, of all the automakers, only Chrysler’s 300 and Charger directly compete with it. There is another advantage in the G8’s favor as well: cost. Because the G8 is essentially a Holden Commodore, and Holden does the engineering for its own market anyway, there is far less cost to continuing to use Holden for development, and make only changes needed for the NA market, than designing an entirely new model. The added capacity also benefit’s Holden’s plant and keeps it busy. The G8 has one other Ace: it can fill the role as a once model brand, but it can also have distinct variations of said model. The Holden Ute and Sportwagon offer Pontiac unique, niche entries into the market. These models are built on the same assembly line as the sedan. This means that production could be shifted for the three based on demand, and because the sedan has already been modified for the US market, it would require fairly little cost to make the other two comply with US standard. There is nothing like them for sale in the NA market (since the discontinuation of the Magnum), which gives Pontiac a genuine purpose for being kept alive, and since it’s role is to be a niche brand, it would not be required to set the sales charts on fire. So there you have it. Pontiac: one model in three distinct flavors. A focused, proud, niche brand.

I still think it's funny how a few randomly selected words are so "Dirty". They're words, a few letters thrown together, what originally made them "dirty"?

I think it would make sense to have Pontiac be a one nameplate brand. The G8 is one model with 3 variations. So you could have the sedan, ST, and wagon. Theres nothing else like them in GM's fleet, plus it's relatively cheap to do.

Or... Why have rice when you could have steak? Aw Snap!

If I were GM I'd make an ad that went something like this: Well you could by [insert Asian brands here], if you want nothing more than a bland appliance that is the automotive equivalent of a toaster. Or alternatively;y, you could buy a car that is actually exciting to look at, fun to drive, and won't make you fall asleep looking at it. You could settle for competent, or you could settle for world class, like the CTS. CTS-V, Corvette ZR-1, Malibu.

You're missing out. I've always liked the Sevilles but the cost of repairs and the issues with the Northstar would keep me away, unless I had more money to trow at it...but I don't, and if I did I'd go with a RWD Caddy.