balthazar

Agreed, but only if your enthusiasm rests in the 'tommorrow car'.

66stang - >>"Back in the day, when cars actually looked like something other than an Acura crapbox, women actually liked cars and what they looked like. I have not only a wife, but three daughters as well. For me, having a car that is "wife friendly" and "daughter friendly" shares my love of cars with them."<< Perfectly legitimate and admirable... I was just stating 'my' opinion. Wish I could get my wife interested in the B-59... Certain era & intent cars wear certain colors better than others (and I think one could collect a strong consensus on that). Whereas a --say-- '68 Firebird might look great in --say-- an Orbit Orange... a '68 Bonneville... not so much. Later 'Endura' GTOs wear the lighter, brigther colors fine, IMO, but the chrome-bumpered cars I prefer in non-pastel-ly colors. In general, I don't care for yellows or oranges on 97% of cars. Jest my take...

To each his own, right? I hate the color: pale yellow ?? No, thanks; no testosterone. Doesn't fit a '60s PMD, IMO. It's not horrible, but it's always 'a shame' in my book.

My source says GMC used Pontiac V-8s as the optional engine '55-57 inclusive, only. In '58, GMC started using their own 336 CI V-8. The bottom-row 'linked' truck on the '58 page in GMTG's link mentions the 336. There is some later-day confusion here, because at least 1 model '58 GMC (HD) was the '370', and featured that badge in the grille. Coincidentally, Pontiac's V-8 in '58 displaced 370 CI. But no 370s or 389s in GMC trucks as a regular production option. In '60, GMC bucked the national trend by dropping the V-8 altogether, and offering either the established I-6, or their proprietory, brand-new 305 CI V-6. Note that this preceeded the cursory 'grandfather' of the V-6, Buick, by 1 year. -- -- -- -- -- The wiki engine link is mostly right: where it's subheaded "Pontiac/GMC...", it does not specify which years GMCs used PMD mills... but below that the individual engine bullets are correct WRT where they were used except for 1: the "288" was in fact the PMD 287 - whether that was a GMC advertising thing, IDK. '55 Pontiac = 287.2 CI, 3.75 bore x 3.25 stroke. GMC spec is the same. I should go fix that...

P1800 aside, all volvo 2-drs are nothing but Wrong.

Cool pics !! but next time... try not to kill the buzz by sticking those shiny car pics in, eh? I think you were right on all your questioning IDs, 66 (and that 1st Cad indeed is a '57).

>>""This is incompatible with our views and cannot happen,"<< These the same views that shook hands to sell opel off the first time ?? :rotflmao:

pair of '57 Chevy 2-dr hardtops, project cars under partial tarps in the same driveway. '61 Buick LeSabre 4-dr sedan, dark silver, mint, parked @ store. '63 Bonneville convertible, white w/ white top, exc w/ lousy aftermarket rims, for sale. '67 GTO convertible, mint, Mayfair Maize w/ white top, motoring down 287. '67 GTO 2-dr hardtop, silver, mint, rolling on Rt 23. '67 Catalina 4-dr sedan, burgandy, decent shape, on 20" 100-spoke rims, for sale. '67 Plymouth Fury III 4-dr hardtop, white, solid, factory 'mag' hubcaps, on a trailer. '70 Plymouth GTX 2-dr hardtop, red, mint, rolling right after the silver '67 GTO. '71 Dodge Demon 2-dr hardtop, orange, decent amateur resto, slammed in rear quarter, parked. late '70s Ford Fairmont 4-dr sedan on a lifted 4WD chassis with homemade rubber fender flares.

"3 decades" = 1979 :: nope - too long there. >>"a very appropriate ending "<< Yes, because 84 years should be distilled down to the last 15 only, the only way the ending can be "fitting"

Whoa whoa... whoa. Isn't this an aluminum-chassis'd & -bodied jaguar ? That weighs a monsterous 4400 lbs ?? Please tell me this one's all steel...

'64 Rambler American 4-dr sedan, mashed hard, head-on in the pass fender (hood & grille escaped damage). Tempted to ask...

Roger- if the wheel is cracked, I'd offer to repair it. 66- I don't see a true 'pink' for Olds for '56- they had Island Coral, but it was more of a brick-y tan color. There was an outright Festival Red tho. WHo's to say it wasn't repainted at one point? However, in '57 Olds offered 2 pink hues. In the vintage MoPar vein, saw a '70 Dodge Polara 4-dr hardtop, very clean, green of course, rocketing by on a local street, all 4 windows down. :wink:

Look at you; all in a lather! Troll dolls are all asexual and anatomically 'streamlined', aren't they?? I've never really examined them closely...

Cross-pollination began with the '61 compacts: Buick's 215 aluminum V-8 was an option in the Olds/Pontiac F-85/Tempest. Pontiac did start using Chevy's I-6 for '68 or '69 in the Tempest/Firebird.... but the big cars were still the top-shelf models, best engineering... they kept their own engines somewhat longer. I'd have to look up when that started breaking down (by '77 definantely). Of course- it was all over in '82... toesuf94 :: weird, but each division was still making it's own business decisions at the point your car was built. Even by '60, all Buick's wagons were coachbuilt (I believe always by Ionia), yet Pontiac built their own in-house. GM has been a VERY complex entity over the years. Bentley Manufacturing also scratch-built the Packard Panthers in '54-55... but I thought they were a separate entity from Ionia... I must have that wrong.

Yes, damnit, we did! Oldsmobile buyers weren't Buick shopping, but they still wanted big displacements/power. And no one wanted cross-pollination of engines then, so....

And a purple-haired, nude (naturally) troll doll is on the way to you as your prize, Mr Z-06. :wink: Good job. I think this was asked on here once before, but I did not know it then, and forgot it now. I see in an article on a '41 convert in my files that a power top was available (standard??) there, too, so it's not like it was a one-shot deal. Good job, Chevy. See what good comes of GM divisions running their own Engineering departments ?? This BS about 'only competing with each other' is nonsense, at least up to the '70s- GM used to be a parent Corp of 6 separate manufacturers.

Good question, don't know... but I have to ask- are you including the Corvette in "all" those Chevrolet converts ??

>>"Glad to see that once again, you had the answer at the ready."<< Sorry, just being a curmudgeon-y jerk, as usual. :wink: >>"...and man...I'd love to have one of those 640 Today."<< CLARIFICATION: that was 640 applicants... but some of them certainly could've been trucking companies... likely most were... so we're not talking 640 trucks... but 640 individuals & companies that were permitted to buy civilian trucks. Who knows how many actual units that would be?

It didn't stop, IIRC. Tho the vast vast majority of '42-45 truck production was for the military, it was not 100%. EDIT: Chevy built 60,257 trucks in '43 and 71,631 in '44. Some civilian useage (640 approved applicants out of 33,000) were allowed, primarily for hauling goods.

Question remains if any of the Solstice coupes will be withheld until after the G6 sales are done, making them the last Pontiacs sold. Not that I'm holding out any hope, but it's the least that could be done and wouldn't cost GM anything.

Tangent: the first thing I sold on eBay : I saw a set of NOS "PONTIAC" letters, billed as 'early '60s' IIRC. Bought them for $17, ID'd them as '57 decklid lettering by the part #s, flipped them for an even $100 and shipped them out in the same box. Yeah- I should be grateful for the work (booked thru the end of the year if 75% of it comes thru... 3 years now with zero advertising... but I am SWAMPED. I should learn to say 'no' I suppose. And I AM grateful... but it gets stressful trying to juggle it all....

Where's the '57 at geographically, BP? I have done a vintage car inspection before ('59 Olds), but unless it's within 1 hr from me, I just don't have the time to do one; work is pressing like a 2-ton gorilla....

Just heard tonight my truck's original dealer, and my choice for factory service, is not going to get renewed in 2010. There since '55, in a town of 2000. Whole 'dealer-reduction' still doesn't make sense to me AFA GM is concerned ....

Being that they're judges w/ appraisal training for the AACA- I'd trust them as legit.

>>"$9500 car with $20000 of rims/ tires/ suspension and $106500 in cash in the trunk stolen"< fixed