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I completely know what you mean. The CTS and CT6 from almost ANY distance at all look the exact same. And if it's tough for us car guys to tell them apart then there is no way the ignorant public will be able to tell them apart. They both look very very good to me but they do look very similar. Now, I know MB is on a fast track to do the same thing from C->S and I'm not excusing them either. I think they look very good but these luxury automakers need to differentiate A LITTLE bit more. U two.. Please make an excuse for the BMW 5 and 7series Hell on the S-Class, C-Class, and E-Class.. they didn't do anything but shot the first with a miniature ray. At least with the Cadillacs... one doesn't have to break out a measuring tape to tell the difference

Still missing, outside of the handing capabilities what is pigeon holing the CT6 in the Sports car segment. If we were taking Vseries... Sure.. But this car screams luxury. By the same rationale some are coming up with.. The 7series, A8, and XJ are all Corvette competition

This.. I'm not calling the car ugly.. its not.. but I see nothing compelling about it in terms of luxury or even looks. I actually think I preferred the FIRST MKS.. when it debuted... over this new Continental in terms of looks.

Actually the selling point is the excellent chassis...like every mag has said. And the great value. All of which has been iterated in the media publications. The rest is subjective. Even Motortrend said it. The Cadillac car just can't wear a roundel as good as a 7 Series. (Which speaks volumes about buying decisions rather than product itself). And then the rest if of course, expectation. Expectation can't be ridiculous. And I do think it will be reasonable to expect the Continental to have a ride closer to the Mercedes Magic body control - like on a magic carpet like ride than the CT6 in their respective "comfort modes." But I'm okay with spewing out comments that are bs to you, and you alone, because certainly I have not said for the umpteenth time that I would get the CT6 above all else. As always U miss points.. coming up with your own narrative on what U read.. or didn't. Each magazine with the exception of Motor Trend.. the King of caring about 0-60 times... went over the luxurious aspects of the car.. The CT6 offers more luxury than any Caddy before. The cabin breaks little new ground yet checks the right boxes in terms of ample front and rear stretch-out room, luxurious materials including glossy or open-pore wood trim, and harmonious design. The gently curved, horizontally oriented dashboard represents a departure from current Cadillac dash designs, and we approve. Front passengers get cozy in elegantly contoured chairs that may be Cadillac’s most comfortable ever. The electronic instruments are clear and colorful, if occasionally crowded, such as when text-heavy menus or the Night Vision display gobbles up space. Infotainment functions are once again handled by an updated version of the Cadillac User Experience (CUE) system, which now uses a larger 10.2-inch touchscreen as well as a console-mounted touchpad. We didn’t notice too many groundbreaking software or logic tweaks during our drive, but we already like the touchpad. C&D The New York Daily, Autoblog, Autobyte, the TLF Video, the MOTORMAN video( I didn't link) , the Cnet Articles... all go into detail on the luxurious appointments of the interior.. yet U missed it. Glossed over them panting like pup and the magnificence of the driving attributes.. Sounds like a ONE TRACK MIND CAR ENTHUSIAST to me. And again.. in reference to the: Suaviloquent, on 28 Jan 2016 - 10:38 PM, said: "Even Motortrend said it. The Cadillac car just can't wear a roundel as good as a 7 Series." Jesus CHRIST!!! Did U even bother to read what they actually said.. or were U looking strictly for negatives? They said.. as a DIG at BMW fans.. a joke.. that went waaaaaaaaaaaaaay over your head: But luxury goods (and cars in general) are rarely traded on merit alone. Mercedes fans will say the S-Class is better at feeling more substantial and heavier (read: luxurious) on the road than the CT6. Audi fans will say the A8 is better at using a proportionally greater amount of aluminum in its construction. BMW fans will say the 7 Series is better at wearing a Roundel badge. That comment.. was construed by most as MT beaming Bimmer fans in the head for only liking their BMWs for the emblem.. and not much else. Which I personally believe is true considering how many people I kno who have the "World's Ultimate Driving Machine," but drive them like they are effin Corollas.. don't even kno what engine they have in the things. Not the name of the engine.. or even size.. but whether its a V6, I6, V8, Turbo, 4Cyl. I actually had a guy in a 2015 M3.. tell me how much he loved the power of the V8 in his car. as to the ride.. While it apparently is no floaty boat, its been said in many of those articles that ride was very nice.. and only firm when in the SPORT setting. The rest of what U say isn't worth my time. Go back and re-read the articles.. and get a feel for what this car is actually about. The CT6 is certainly capable of canyon carving.. but apparently Cadillac did throw a whole buncha luxury in there as well.

Waaiiiit.. What??? LMFAO... "The CT6 is just an flagship-sized sports sedan competing against the boat-like flagships. The only selling point is the excellent light-weighting and market penetration pricing model." "I expect the Conti to be more comfortable, I expect its rear seat to have a better execution of amenities and I expect the Lincoln dealer service to be nicer. But damn the Continental knows what it's about - the car exudes wealth and luxury." ridiculous without actually experiencing both cars. I won't make a comment outside of that..

To actual luxo buyers anyway. For once U and I agree. The Cont SHOULD outsell the CT6.. because its not going to be priced.. unless Ford is insane, at the price point above the $40K. If It is,. well Ford is officially insane and completely delusional about the power of nostalgia. The Continental I remember for most of my adult life.. was nothing more than a "nicer Taurus/Sable"

Guy.. look at the majority.. and when I say majority I mean 95% of the reviews.. the CT6's looks are anything but considered to be "underwhelming." The only think I can give anyone who was underwhelmed is that for some crazy reason.. they walked into the situation believing that a production ElMiraj was gonna be on display as the new CT6. Furthermore the visual similarities of the CT6 to the CTS are real.. and would certainly have made even the most enthusiastic Cadillac lover stand up and say.. "Well I've kinda seen that before." But this isn't about just the enthusiasts. Its about the actual BUYERS. The sales situation of the CTS has little to do with looks versus the COMPETITION... It has to do with what U said.. a turn to CUVs. Not to mention lack of variants versus the previous models. I continue to be blown away when certain individuals act as if the Continental stealing from Bentley.. then Audi.. + Kia and Ford's own Taurus is suddenly the epitome of automotive beauty. Personally.. I find it to be coring as $h!.

GM Spokesman, Fred Ligouri, has announced that Chevrolet will unveil a 1LE Performance Package for the Camaro. No information has been revealed about the Generation 6 Camaro's 1LE package, but it is expected to only enhance the SS versions already exemplary track capabilities. In the previous Camaro (Generation 5) the 1LE package added about $3500 to the bottom line of the car. The package consisted of lightweight 20-inch rims found on the Camaro ZL1 , high performance Goodyear Eagle Supercar Gen 2 tires, a high performance suspension setup that includes larger monotube dampers, a larger anti-roll bar up front, a front strut tower brace, and heavy duty rear shock mounts. The exterior of the vehicle consisted of unique body upgrades front to rear and some minor interior upgrades. Along with that, we should expect a mid-cycle enhancement for the Chevy Trax compact crossover. Although the Trax has only been on sale for about one year in the U.S., the Trax has been on sale in other global markets since 2013. Chevy is set to update the exterior and interior of the vehicle amidst strong sales. The Chevrolet moved 63,030 Trax in 2015, while its sister brand Buick, moved an additional 67,549 Encores. We'll have more updates on the Camaro 1LE and updated Chevrolet Trax in the coming days. You can follow this and all other 2016 Chicago Auto Show News here. View full article

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The problem is the Elmiraj and Ciel were done after this car was pretty much locked in. This car is not new at GM as they have been working on it for a good while. I agree this is not a flag ship wow but then again it really is not the flag ship either. I think they improved on the CTS styling and wished they had taken it farther but that is what I expect the present manager will do. The body was done long before they arrived. I think the new managers will bring out that lacking 10% in the entire car that GM just never would fully go all in on. Mark had to fight too many battles on this car than he should have. #1 this is Cadillac so no corners should be cut. #2 Mark should have been let do what he felt needed to be done. I know he is proud of this car but it is still not 100% of what he was shooting for. YEah. I wish people would get off that idea that the ElMiraj should be avail NOW. It shouldn't. Its a styling exercise that will most likely show up next gen.. like the Ciel is evident in the ATS, CTS, and CT6, not to mention the Escalade. The SRX is still apart of the OLD Cadillac language from the Evoque. The ELR and XTS, come from the Converj.. both of them. Bottom line if they introduced the ElMiraj right now.. in the current line-up.. they would have one mismatched looking car on the lot with several that look nothing like it. That styling exercise needs to come at the same time as new introductions are starting to roll out in mass. I would expect that the styling of the next CTS, ATS will be tweaks on the current design to align them even more with the CT6, Slade and XT5. The ATS, by the way.. may have been the spring-board of all of this, begot from the last gen CTS and STS. Look at that car and U can see that it was designed around the same time as the 2008 CTS. From the rear.. they can easily be confused. The ATS, as many may kno.. was set to debut around the same time as the Second Gen CTS as a replacement for the 9-3 based BLS.. of course BK spoiled that @hyperv6 - The Ciel concept was from 2011, the Elmiraj was 2013. I find it hard to believe the timeline excuse of the CT6 design. You guys seemed to lock onto the part about the Ciel and Elmiraj, but my point was "the exterior design is about 10% shy of enough visual drama." Humor me for a second, because I have the perfect example for this. When the production CT6 was first unveiled last year, I wasn't alone in giving it a shrug from an exterior perspective, meanwhile Lincoln unveiled their striking Continental concept based on FWD architecture and got just as much (if not more) attention from the media. It didn't necessarily need to look like the concept, but I don't think anyone expected it to just completely blend into their existing lineup. I am utterly convinced that if the CT6 had the same sort of unapologetic style direction Cadillac had been hinting at, even if just enough to set apart from the CTS, the Lincoln would have been little more than a footnote by comparison. Instead, we've been having direct comparisons of specs and style by the media and enthusiasts. If directed somewhat at me.. there was no excuse. I think the CT6 is effin gorgeous.. versus the Continental.. much better looking, concept of production. To me the Continental looks like a wanna be Bentley in concept form and a wanna be Taurus in production.. neither, IMO, anything great in terms of design. The CT6 reminiscing the CTS is super-fine to me.. as I deem it as being the best looking Mid-Size on the market.. furthermore the connection to the CIEL is not only evident, but true. Altho the CIEL concept debuted at Pebble Beach in Aug of 2011, the look and design came from a few years earlier.. I can remember posting on MTForum or Carfanatics back in 08-09 about the look into Cadillac's design studio: The Ciel.. was in those pics long before Pebble Beach.. as U can see it on the top shelf. The future design of the Ciel is also seen in the Escalade concept that never came out on the show circuit. Plenty of its design elements are evident in the current Escalade. If U wanna see even more evidence.. check out or Google Cadillac Ecojet Concept

U could go around the industry and find similar shifters. Why not complain about the fact that for some STRANGE reason.. BMW uses a round steering wheel just like the Cadillacs. In other words U are looking for a bunch of BS to bitch about

The problem is the Elmiraj and Ciel were done after this car was pretty much locked in. This car is not new at GM as they have been working on it for a good while. I agree this is not a flag ship wow but then again it really is not the flag ship either. I think they improved on the CTS styling and wished they had taken it farther but that is what I expect the present manager will do. The body was done long before they arrived. I think the new managers will bring out that lacking 10% in the entire car that GM just never would fully go all in on. Mark had to fight too many battles on this car than he should have. #1 this is Cadillac so no corners should be cut. #2 Mark should have been let do what he felt needed to be done. I know he is proud of this car but it is still not 100% of what he was shooting for. YEah. I wish people would get off that idea that the ElMiraj should be avail NOW. It shouldn't. Its a styling exercise that will most likely show up next gen.. like the Ciel is evident in the ATS, CTS, and CT6, not to mention the Escalade. The SRX is still apart of the OLD Cadillac language from the Evoque. The ELR and XTS, come from the Converj.. both of them. Bottom line if they introduced the ElMiraj right now.. in the current line-up.. they would have one mismatched looking car on the lot with several that look nothing like it. That styling exercise needs to come at the same time as new introductions are starting to roll out in mass. I would expect that the styling of the next CTS, ATS will be tweaks on the current design to align them even more with the CT6, Slade and XT5. The ATS, by the way.. may have been the spring-board of all of this, begot from the last gen CTS and STS. Look at that car and U can see that it was designed around the same time as the 2008 CTS. From the rear.. they can easily be confused. The ATS, as many may kno.. was set to debut around the same time as the Second Gen CTS as a replacement for the 9-3 based BLS.. of course BK spoiled that

Stop flip-flopping... its evident that Cadillac, in general, could use a bit of "Designo" type capabilities. Customization if U will.. for people who have an issue with certain palette choices. I'm of the opinion that JDN and Associates need to get on that aspect lickiety-split.. as it is a huge profit generator. Second.. Lexus did do its due diligence in "sweating the details," but Lexus was an upstart LUXURY brand.. Cadillac, tho still proving itself as a DESIRABLE brand to Millennials and GenX..has never lost the title of a luxury brand, it did, however, fall from its lofty position as preeminent luxury brand, or Standard of the World. It is looking to reclaim that. Problem is that now, the definition of luxury, or rather the respect of being luxury seems to come from desirability being measured more by sales than the price point people are interested in paying. Cadillac as an overall brand commands a price average that is almost on par with the current leader in luxury, but because its sales have been down, or not on the level of the Benz, BMW, or Lexus.. it is levied a bit of disrespect and second guessing on PRODUCT. As if to say the ATS, for instance, is not a great entry level luxo because its sales are not on par with the 3Series. Up until the 80s.. Cadillac was the leader in luxury hands down. Not Benz, not BMW, not even Rolls held the same capabilities as Cadillac mass selling while still retaining tier one status. They became complacent.. and also decadent, leading them to where they are now. Some wish to blame the Diesel debacle, 4-6-8, or the Cimmaron, but in reality Cadillac's biggest faux pax was not CHANGING to what they are now when they were most relevant. Had Cadillac made the changes they started making with the CTS in 2003, in 1983, or even 1993, they would currently be viewed as a real Benz/BMW competitor, and would still own the American market, and most likely China, with a real presence in Europe too. Why does Cadillac get such a chance??? Why are they being cheered on so much as they are??? Well.. an example of what I say lies in the past.. recent in fact. This Fleetwood interior, IMO outclassed the SClass and 745's.. in terms of LUXURY, but they had it on SPORT Seriously. Which do U see as more luxury.. more rich? Notice the contrasting of the Cadillac?? LOL To the New York Move JDN has recruited proper folk away from the competition and industries that cater to luxury people. It is an absolute necessity. One can not have a luxury brand run by NASCAR people. In other words, the same execs that run/ran Chevy/Holden/Pontiac.. can not run Cadillac. No way.. no how. They new recruits were also most likely also lured in by the attractiveness of rebuilding this storied brand. A Brand that has more automotivefirsts than I can think. Even in skeletal form, Cadillac now shows unbelievable potential. Six vehicles for sale, with only one having a variant (ATS Coupe) and they still manage to NOT be last in the luxury race, with ATPs that top the #1 selling luxo brand in the U.S., furthermore it managed to sell, just under, a smidge less than Audi, which has DOUBLE its line-up

Yes. Someone sees it as I see it. And it wasn't just a GM thing back then,.. all the makes did $h! like this. It looked like the epitome of "for the sake of $h!."

The car really is stunning. I find it interesting that the interior and car in general are getting just great reviews.. while JDN himself exclaimed that the ones being driven were still PRE-PRODUCTION. Jeeez.. what's the finished product gonna be like? http://jalopnik.com/the-2016-cadillac-ct6-makes-american-luxury-relevant-ag-1754754770

Wow.. I remember getting into a battle with a guy over at GMI named 69gtDart over the 200 vs the Malibu a year or so ago.. Now.. its about to go kaput. Oh well.. I would have never bought one anyway

Agree that is a Sexy Interior Dash. Way better than what MB or BMW has done. Hope they put this in all the auto's. I would expect to see this in the ATS replacement CT3 as well as the CTS replacement CT5, Unless GM wants to go CT2 and CT4 for them. Yes.. I believe that this is the new styling direction for all of Cadillac.. including the CTS and ATS replacements. I personally have no issue with the current style, but the Piano Black seems to bother more than a few reviewers. Anyway.. witness the XT5

COULD IT BE that Cadillac, Ellinghaus, and JDN are not perhaps simply trying a different approach to luxury? Does higher price necessarily mean that a luxo buyer is getting the best product for the segment. Again I reiterate that I don;t see the CT6 as the Flagship of Cadillac, but a Flagship worthy vehicle in wait for the real one to arrive.. and will do a spectacular job in the mean time I think we are no longer going to see them take the road in terms of convention. Who says that the market can not have fringe sales? The Panamera and XJ prove a great deal of inclination of buyers rests in NOT buying the status quo. I don't think the CT6 is a tweener. I think the CT6 could be that disruption we've been hearing about. NO MOLD.

Read that in several of the reviews.. The car truly bucked the norm and went its own course.. as I predicted several times.. the CT6 is more hybridized than any of the status quo.. Weird as it sounds I think that the best cars to compare the CT6 to would be the ones that its sized against.. Call me crazy. Its exactly what the public will be doing. Audi A8 Wheelbase (Short): 117.8 Wheelbase (Long): 122.9 Length (Short): 202.0 Length (Long): 207.4 Width: 76.7 Height: 57.5 Jaguar XJ Wheelbase (Short): 119.4 Wheelbase (Long): 124.3 Length (Short): 201.7 Length (Long): 206.6 Width: 74.6 Height: 57.0 Lexus LS Wheelbase (Short): 116.9 Wheelbase (Long): 121.7 Length (Short): 199.2 Length (Long): 203.9 Width: 73.8 Height: 58.3 Its a 7series, A8, LS460, and Xj competitor.. and JDN sees the LWB S-Class as over them all... as do most of us due to price and the fact that the LWB S-Class is the leader of the field, like it or not, in the same way that the 3series is in it's. Established... even if there are other vehicles in those segments that are superior in one area or another. If the SWB S-Class was sold here, the CT6 would most likely be, then, along with the other aforementioned, a competitor to it. THAT'S THAT. As to the 122.4 inch wheelbase CT6 versus the 124.6 inch S-class, needing a longer WB is a non-necessity at the moment as they are trying to establish themselves back into a segment that it essentially created, but left after those SOBs Smith and Zarella screwed the brand 25 years ago. The S-Class is 206.5 inches long and weighs 4800lbs. Seriously.. that means the CT6 will be as large as an S-Class by 98% and weigh 20% less. Either way.. whether JDN/GM.. me.. U.. any enthusiast thinks that this car is or isn't gonna be compared to the S-Class is redundant.. it will. I will absolutely love it if pre-conceived notions don't influence those comparos and the CT6 surprises and shuts up all.

Cadillac, imo, nailed this one. The price of the Platinum, along with all its amenities is priced dead on with the Lexus LS460 F AWD $83,325 vs CT6 Platinum model starting at $83,465. These are most comparable too.. as the HP rating of the Lexus V8 are 386 hp/367 ft-lbs. versus the Cadillac TTV6 at 400HP/400 ft-lbs. The CT6 took mandatory luxury features and space the Europeans and Lexus, then.. encroached and clobbered the ideals put forth by the upcoming Ford.. er.. Mercury.. er Lincoln Continental. The Price point the Continental will have to come in will have to be in the high $30Ks… the Germans all come in in the high $70ks. Their starting point is where CT6’s end point is. The CT7/CT8 picks up from where CT6 leaves off. This is like a one two punch of massive proportions because it redefines the ideas of luxury without even having to call it “niche.” Bottom line is that Cadillac split the this tier of Luxury Sedans.. the segment into two.

Autoline has reported that Cadillac is hard at work preparing the Fairfax Assembly Plant, in Kansas City, Kansas, for the upcoming Cadillac XT3 CUV . This vehicle is slated to come in under the XT5, and be FWD based, riding on a new version of GM's Epsilon Platform (E2xx) designated "ETUL." They also note that the next ATS will be named CT3. Correction - An earlier version of this article mentioned the CT3/ATS moving to the Epsilon platform. This is not the case. View full article

^^ No doubt. From C&D I had to yank these tidbits. C&D

MT a definitive quote if ever there was one. and makes a bunch of sense. This will be thrown into comparisons with the aforementioned German 3.. I think that in terms of everything outside of serious extras.. it will shine among them. The 7series, for instance, is really nothing to write home about this generation. I look forward to that comparo.. where the only real gripe they should be able to come up with will be the non-availability of soft close doors.. in which even I am perplexed by to say the least. Cadillac gave an est 5.3 seconds to 60 in the LGW (TT3.6L) but I am gonna go out on a limb as say that I bet U see times in the area of 4.7-4.9 when the mags get a hold of it for an instrumented test. interior looks damn nice, definitely on level with the Germans... sorry Smoke