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I agree with this whole-heartedly. Buick and Chevy are for handling these segments. If anything I think that Cadillac, if they went the route of a sub-ATS, it should be sub at all.. but more properly aligned to handle a niche. Why Audi, with the A3, went the same route is crazy to me. Its a real possibility that A4 sales have been siphoned to A3.

U really only read the first pick.. and not the in notes on each car. The performance also gave Cadillac honorable mentions. Because a multi-billion dollar corporation cares about you. The home team, bringing you such All-American staples as the Mexican built Sonic and Journey. Worth noting that ZEE GERMANS have factories in the good old US of A. It's not black and white. The Sonic for American consumption is actually built in the USA. Michigan in fact. The Journey??? Eff I care what Dodge does?? Its foreign.

Yup.. another IDIOTIC conversation started by the one and only.. Barrel Chested Wings. Who the hell is buying these cars as investments anyway??? If U are then don't deserve it anyway. The car or the money We are talking about a 640HP Sexy Beast Luxo Sedan that will make 911 Turbo and Z06 owners shift nervously trying not to miss a gear

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ U see what U want to see.. it was draw.. with the Cadillac winning with one of the reviewers and the 190e winning in another. If U ever get a chance... Root for the Home team.. its where U live.. and the Germans could care less about U

an 8.5% difference is nothing, especially when the Benz buyer initially paid 40% more for their car... What makes it worse is that U had SUCH A HUGE ISSUE with the price of the Cadillac, but are sitting there defending the more expensive Benz. What U seem to miss also is that in YEAR 2.. the Benz depreciation starts to accelerate even more so. Well, considering it was hypothetical anyway, just wanted to point out you were wrong. And really, I don't think expressing surprise with the word 'yikes' is having "SUCH A HUGE ISSUE" , but I will try and remember all this and just how sensitive some GM fans can be, in the future. I'm still not actually wrong when viewing from YOUR need for value pricing in luxury. U go YIKES on an $84,000 CTS-V, but have no issue with a $102,000 E63AMG S. On top of that, if the vehicles are already more expensive then out of pocket costs is only exacerbated when the Benz depreciation numbers comes into focus. And it gets worse. The Benz depreciation will actually speed up more so than the Cadillac by year 2.. then 3. At a point.. it might be possible to find that more expensive E63 on the used car lot for the same price as the CTSVSeries, or damn close. Pleeeeease. Having lots of money doesn't mean that U just have fun throwing it in the fireplace.

That won't work. In fact it will work against the Cadillac model. JDN, upon arriving at Cadillac, literally promised the dealers that things were gonna get bad before they got better.. then he raised the prices. It was a move in the right direction.. and while certainly U are gonna sell more vehicles using value pricing, it would do nothing to bolster ATPs which is the life blood of a luxury line. If Cadillac isn't making money per unit sold then they will be degraded by the GM board to Lincoln style rebadges of Chevys all around. Many will never get that point. They only see the numbers.. and not what's behind the numbers. GM's overall, not to mention Cadillac, increasing retail means more profits, despite a drop in fleet for the sake of sales. The SUV situation in Texas also reveals that production is tight... and that means less quick sell-off to lower ATP fleet customers, which means more profit per vehicle sold because of higher ATP to retail. I would like to add that the Cadillac CTS thing is interesting still in that the CTS Coupe accounted for 30% of CTS sales. Ironic that the CTS is down... 30%. Go figure. Note to GM: If U want to increase CTS sales, bring back the coupe BTW.. am I the only one that thinks that FCA is fudging numbers to make it more attractive for the merger rumors?

an 8.5% difference is nothing, especially when the Benz buyer initially paid 40% more for their car... What makes it worse is that U had SUCH A HUGE ISSUE with the price of the Cadillac, but are sitting there defending the more expensive Benz. What U seem to miss also is that in YEAR 2.. the Benz depreciation starts to accelerate even more so.

LMFAO at what I circled.. especially considering the commentary that seems opposite in the ATS by reviewers. Interesting that the Caddy literally scored damn high for the a car that is often labeled as the reason for current Cadillac issues in terms of being in the same class as the Germans. Bottom line is that had Smith and not screwed the Cimmaron up in the beggining (1981) and differentiated it more in styling from Cavalier, ironically as the did with the Firenza.. they may have save single-handidly caused an Import vs Domestics Butterfly effect that would have rendered all of my perception posts from the last 11 years moot

Except that you can't drive two of them at the same time! Until I'm pushing 89 years old.. I don't think I would want to drive even ONE.

Yeah.. tell it to a stock Stingray that is kicking out dyno power that indicates that it is actually making about 500 I hear U.. and it is part of the reason why I decided that after 3 new vehicles in 2014, I would sit '15 out from buying anything. Sensibility.

An ignorant person could say that, sure, but YOU said it because you're Wings and you can't say anything about GM without a passive aggressive comment or thinly veiled criticism. It's why you don't get banned, yet still have -40 reputation points accrued in a month. really? REALLY???? All I did was make a simple shocked statement on price. All the rest is dust and nonsense for which you have contributed twice now. As for my negative points, a mod confirmed that nearly all of them are from one person who adores me so much that he makes sure you subtracts in every one of my posts, regardless. I will try to move on with my life though. This^^^ This is the reason why U get on my *** nerves.. U thin for some reason I got these guys over here away from MT to help in your ever continuing need for free online psychotherapy. No one really gives a $h! about your opinion in these threads.. because for 1) U are biased as a muthf**ka. I'm talking even more than me in that U ignore the reality of things and live in some crazy world where white is black and black is rainbow. 2) have no interest in these types of cars.. RWD, non-turbo V6 or 4cylinder, or luxury because.. well.. U're a Ford fan. 3) are just a GM hater.. despite them putting food on your ***king table and sending U to school 3) It is what it is man. Like I said earlier, just let him sink. So, you're pretty serious about getting a CTS-V, I take it Look for me to start getting the title outta the files for my '12 around Feb, March. Its pretty much the time I buy all of my non-essential vehicles, with the essential ones normally being purchased in summer. Its an accounting thing. The config I posted in post #2 is the one I am seriously sweet on. I do like the red too tho.. but it may get the past because of the already Big Red Catherina in my garage. Haven't had a Black Cadillac in 7 years almost

According to the Dyno Pull of the V.. how much is it cranking???

coupla points Dumbass... U are are attempting to justify your lunacy by bringing up the AWD system in the $102,000 E63AMG as a good reason as to why the starting at $84,000 CTS-V is worthy of a "gasp?" So AWD is worth $18,000??? Can someone get me the troll patrol cause this MOFO is toast? Coupla more points: Benz has 577HP and torque to 590 lb-ft Cadillac has 640HP and torque to 630 lb-ft Benz has AWD yes, but also has to push around 4,674 lbs. The VSeries is at 4,145 lbs, a 529lb deficit. Considering the ATS-V is pulling in 12.0/122mph 1/4 and 3.7sec "0-who cares" times I'm thinking that the CTS-V is gonna beat the E63's numbers by a few ticks. I predict the CTS-V to pull a 3.2-3.3 0-60 without AWD, and a mid 11 @125, beating the E63's 11.6 sec @ 121.8 mph and this BS depreciation $h! U came up with is hilarious. A $73K 2014 CTS-V Coupe with almost all the trimmings is now worth, with 12K on the odo, $54K.. a drop of $19K. A $102K Benz E63AMG Swith almost all the trimmings is now worth, with 12K on the odo, $80,500.. a drop of $21,500 Research first Bitch

An ignorant person could say that, sure, but YOU said it because you're Wings and you can't say anything about GM without a passive aggressive comment or thinly veiled criticism. It's why you don't get banned, yet still have -40 reputation points accrued in a month. really? REALLY???? All I did was make a simple shocked statement on price. All the rest is dust and nonsense for which you have contributed twice now. As for my negative points, a mod confirmed that nearly all of them are from one person who adores me so much that he makes sure you subtracts in every one of my posts, regardless. I will try to move on with my life though. This^^^ This is the reason why U get on my *** nerves.. U thin for some reason I got these guys over here away from MT to help in your ever continuing need for free online psychotherapy. No one really gives a $h! about your opinion in these threads.. because for 1) U are biased as a muthf**ka. I'm talking even more than me in that U ignore the reality of things and live in some crazy world where white is black and black is rainbow. 2) have no interest in these types of cars.. RWD, non-turbo V6 or 4cylinder, or luxury because.. well.. U're a Ford fan. 3) are just a GM hater.. despite them putting food on your ***king table and sending U to school 3)

Not in the eyes of someone who thinks that the MKZ... is the alternative

Not if they kno what the M5 and E63AMG cost. Then again.. they might be shocked in seeing that they are getting what seems to be a superior super-sport-luxury for a much better price than they would be getting those aforementioned rides.

Are you implying that's overpriced? This thing is basically a 4-door Corvette Z06 (same engine, same 8-speed automatic, same electronic LSD, same magnetic ride, etc). When you add the CF package, it's damn near Z07-level track prepped. World class performance doesn't come cheap. Can't afford it? There's an ATS-V or CTS Vsport for $60-70k. Can't afford that either? Then you need to choose between luxury OR performance, because you can't have both. Could not have said it better myself. The price seems steep until you realize what it is and what it has while undercutting the competition by a substantial amount. U folks don;t realize that what Wings wants is for us to enthusiasts to forgo the VSeries.. and go straight to the Fusion.. er.. MKZ Yeah... Umm.. Caddy.. I'll take my VSeries in the Ultraview Sunroof option..

There is an innate need for American magazines to show bias in the direction of the foreign competitor especially when the competitor is BMW, Benz, or... Honda. Car and Driver even once created a bullcrap category called Gotta Have just to normally give the more "exotic " vehicle an edge. I expect negativity when the first CTSv tests arrive.

I pretty sure Benz will up the price on the next E63 because it knows that suckers will ante up when they lay fat pipe in them. To hear Cadillac talk about carbon-ceramic brakes, you'd think the nonmetallic rotors took the engineers' sisters out to a nice seafood dinner and never called them again. (As the company's line goes, there won't be an optional track package because "the CTS-V IS the track package.") Instead, the V makes do with tried-and-true iron brake rotors clasped by six-piston front and four-piston rear Brembo calipers. Car and Driver

U are one of those people who probably read the ATS performance triumph and went straight in looking for demerits on the interior. That's lame. The Piano Black is slick.. Fingerprints?? Really??? And we are back on this back-seat thing. THEY ALL SUCK IN THE BACKSEAT.. because they are ALL compacts. 1.02g.. in a Cadillac!!! Those are Z51 numbers.. no.. almost Z06 numbers.. and 12.1 at 122mph??? GET THE EFF OUTTA HERE with yo negative BS.

Its according who U ask. The ATS's only interior issue stems from its gauge cluster.. and only during the day. It looks like something that should have been in a Camaro.. ironically the new Camaro cluster looks like it should have been in a Cadillac ATS. Outside of that.. IMO,the ATS beats the 3Series in luxurious feel internally. The XE.. from what I saw was boring as $h!, inside and out. I kno what Lieberman said at MT.. but anyone calling the ATS design as bland and then this Jag special is Special themselves.. in a Short Bus kinda way.

Configed mine.. Loving this new color... $92K. Will go over $100K easy with some of the options. The Carbon Fiber and Lux package aren't my thing.. with the Lux package seeming to focus on the back seat riders.. Eff Em.. I wanted Recaros

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Dude U really need to go to Europe. Audi is not, at this level, really anything more than a "Ford or Chevy" with VW being a Hyundai. They have to have a combination of engines.