Flybrian

Don't kid yourself; people love those Safaris/Astros. My good friend's mom now wants to buy a newer one to replace her '95, especially since they don't make them anymore. Very hardcore cult following. I would much rather Buick get the minivan rather than GMC. Trim it out nicely as a six-seater with three rows of captain's chairs. Let Chevrolet maximize the utility with their version of Stow-'n'-Go; allow Buick to offer the real luxury van, something for which there is certainly a market.

Olsen Twins. Lil' bitches.

If they're angered, why don't they just go sit in their Meditation Rooms and stare at the Koi ponds.

Setting aside the basic fact that no car in today's market besides low-line Korean cars are actually 'junk,' I consider the '02 Camry to be junk in relation to other midsize entries as well as its predecessors and successor. The powertrain I drove was lousy. Very wind-needy in terms of low-end torque and once you got into the powerband, nothing. The styling was plain awful; whereas the preceeding Camry had some class to it, the 2002 was built with this quasi-tall sedan thing in mind. It looks tippy and too narrow. Plus, it rode on the louisest stock tire/wheel combo this side of a Cutlass Ciera in both handling and looks. Very squeally and it did not give me the impression of stability most properly-designed midsize cars give. Not to mention, the exhaust system looked like it was about to drop when you looked at the car from behind. Steering was overboosted almost to Buick levels with a general ride quality nearly as bad as one without a Gran Touring package. Oddly, the steering did not 'loosen' a la a Buick in low/no-speed parking situations. Stereo quality was also mediocre with tinny playback and poor reception from the embedded aerials on reasonably-powerful stations that normally receive great on most other cars I've driven. I also found the seats to be uncomfortable, not aided by the tendency for Japanese belts to go S&M on you if you tap your brakes too hard. There were alot of new and even older cars during that time - Stratus/Sebring, Regal, Grand Prix, Malibu, Taurus Mazda6, Altima, Maxima, Sonata, Optima, Passat, Galant, Accord - all of which were cheaper, funner, faster, or just all around better. The Camry offered nothing outstanding in the least, yet was still just as expensive as those that did. And to be completely honest, it boggled the mind how the Accord failed to outsell the Camry outside of 2002 until I realize why I came into posession of such a dull, mediocre car - Enterprise. That's my take on it. I'm just glad to see the '07 has some of the Camry's old ingredients that the car is replaces lost touch with.

Too late...I exploded. See? P.S. look in the current issue of Automobile for the absolute worst picture of the Fit I've seen to date. It looks like it needs an ass-kicking.

Should I recount the tale from my days in high school when a Junior was caught jerking off in class...in front row, center...by the hot 20-something substitute...and he 'finished'...and that's how she found out?

Hey, look at the two cars I drive - I love driver-oriented stacks! This is what irritates me... The Camry's dash/center console is not properly aligned with respect to the vertical axis. This is not a photographic trick either. Draw an imaginary line down the center of the radio head unit. Properly-designed, the line should cleave that center button above the ashtray door in half. It doesn't; it runs clean to the right of it. Its instantly clear from sitting inside of it, too. Plus, the whole interior looks like it was designed around a bench seat option. Regals had more integrated consoles and their Century cousins had benches. The entire car from '02-06 was junk, so this doesn't make or break it, but its irritating as hell.

Just because everything tends to be a Camry doesn't mean things that aren't Camries look like Camries.

Sorry, but I don't feel remorse when some child-lusting pedophile gets murdered. I know far, far too many people who have either been raped or molested repeatedly as small children to give two bits about their so-called 'rights.'

See, Lauren is killing some kittens right now looking at some of you dudes in the picture thread.

But man... Girlfriend Poster

I hate Edmunds soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much.

We need a thread about Satty's mom.

Angry Dad, Enzl, et al. There's no need for personal attacks and insults to be traded from either side. If you disagree, disagree respectfully. If you truly feel you are in the right, argue in a civil form. If that is too much to ask, then let time be your evidence. If that is too much to ask, then perhaps this isn't the place for you. P.S. As far as Future_of_GM's position as a Moderator, this gentleman has been with C&G since nearly the beginning and has contributed and assisted in many ways, both publically and behind the scenes. I remind you a Moderator must strive to be fair and impartial in his duties, but not in his opinions regarding the automobile industry. Now please, let's continue with the topic at hand. Thank you.

The middle-aged crowd 35-60 love both our cars.

Did you say something Paulie?

Lemmie guess...slow day at Edmunds.

Toyota themselves admitted their own failure at turning the demographics around with the failure of the Genesis Project cars and the birth of Scion, who still appeals to older people who want a tiny van.

Again, I really can't bring myself to find this to be an attractive car. Also, everywhere I go I see rental Altimas, so probably the last thing I'd want to own is the Cutlass Ciera/Ford Taurus of the new millenium.

A man with taste! In all seriousness, I really don't see how the 2002-06 Camry sold as well as it did. It was a mediocre offering on all fronts, perhaps slightly besting cars on the brink of being redesigned. At the very least, the visually-unattractive '07 has those proper ingredients for success.

You reported the post at 2:13PM today (4.18). You gauge poor response time at 3:28PM today; that's one hour and fifteen minutes on a Tuesday. Some of us have jobs.

What excuse? I think I even mentioned once it looks 'cheap'...this merely confirms its done on the cheap. And I recognize higher trims have a symmetrical steering wheel layout, but they still look cheap on the lower-line versions. And, yes, I'm aware GM does it too and it looks cheap still. Its a step above these 'blanks' Koreans are so fond of using even in faux-luxury cars like the Amanti and Azera. And Oldsmoboi is spot on. There can be a beautiful interior and a real ergonomically-functional interior. Its rare that a manufacturer designs both in one car. And frankly, I'll take some cheap plastics for unobstructive cupholders, intelligently-desinged radio/HVAC controls, and an all-around comfortable layout.

What he said.

Sorry, that car isn't attractive to me at all. The Altima, not the Bonnie.

This is why.