A Horse With No Name

Again we loe having you here...and good luck and godspeed my friend!

Genesis should have very astonishingly serious depreciation, which should allow you enough extra cash to vacation in the Bahamas.... Seems to be the case....

Again, perceptions...

Agreed. GM is building better, but everyone in the market is building better. GM convincing the naysayers will be their biggest challenge. And on luxury cars the badge matters, sometimes more than the car behind it. Nope, if that was the case Lexus would not have had foothold and now stronghold in USA. Perceptions, Perceptions, Perceptions. Agreed on that!

AS frustrated as I get...I can as I said relate a little bit. Best advice I can give is give everything a good solid test drive when the time comes, and let your gut be your guide...you will know which way to go.

Which is why I am going to probably wait for it to come out before I ink a deal...I think stunning is a damned fine word for what it will be.

Okay, sometimes you drive me nuts here, and I just made a sarcastic comment about you in another thread but... I am also a fellow traveler with you. I feel your pain...I really do. I've owned more GM cars than non GM cars. right now I own two GM trucks, a Mazda (Miata) a BMW (MINI Cooper S) a Toyota (Orign gen Scion xB). Need to buy another car next year, maybe two. son is out of school and drives the XB, and the Miata is possibly going to undergo modification to be more of a track car...and is also showing its age. It is an 02, so I can relate to replacing an 01 Aurora. I too am looking at the Genesis, but alas the 2.0T Coupe. I do like the 4 door Genesis, and think you will be well served by it. And yes, I do know GM also has a long history of building crappy cars as well as good ones. One of the hardest things to me is keeping an open mind both for and against GM when looking at a car. We thought long and hard about a Camaro when we bought the MINI Cooper S, but ultimately (obviously) rejected the idea. Good luck to you, smk as you look for your next car... and may the best car win. At least your not in my boat....I'm thinking BRZ/FRS which has its own issues...

And your point was taken... I think SMK is the reality director for the Fast and furious movies, personally...

I would agree completely! I am so sad BMW has lot it to the extent they have...but yeah...your E46 is a much better car than the current stuff. Let's hope Cadillac can market what its got...

And BTW, Cadillac.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muePkLkuUs4&list=PL6DFA7703BA281A4F&index=16&feature=plpp_video

Sports cars depreciate FAR less than luxury cars. By your logic, a Honda S2000 is also an awesome car, as it has held a huge portion of its residual value. All luxury cars pretty much depreciate like crazy until they wind up being driven by wanna be punks in bad neighborhoods wanting to look like someone. But yeah, S class....may have something to worry about.

Stopped by a Chevrolet dealer right before I looked at that Dart this afternoon....they had a red one on the sales floor. Awesome! Um...I think you'll be really impressed. The whole package comes together quite nicely.

Yes they are...it's a popular swap. And given how dismal the rest of the Scion lineup is, I would do the same with one. IQ, TC, XD, XB....read the critical reviews on these cars. They are not well designed, well thought out cars. In some ways I wish they had gone with Toyota GT-86...and dropped the rest of the Scion lineup. It would do a lot of good at moving Toyota "forward" in the direction it needs to go. Given that the Cube, the Rouge, the Juke, and a few other oddities have come from the imagination of Nissan....wouldn't it be better if they had no imagination at all?

Inflatable seat belts is a nice feature for a car in that class.

So I didn't drive it but checked out a Dodge dart at the local dodge dealer...had a few minutes to kill and thought the car looked interesting. Liked: Paint quality was good, probably better than average for a new car. Exterior has really sharp styling. Car is sized nicely, should be easy to park and is a nice balance with need for interior room. Really well packaged. Love the fact that it's available in a manual Reports of 40 mpg plus from reviewers and owners make the car maybe worth a look at some point. Disliked- Interior is nice, but poorly assembled. Car had been at the dealership for a week or so and several interior trim pieces were already starting to come loose. Dashboard has soft touch plastics but still feels really cheap. Car I looked at was almost 25K, or GTI or Verano money...and it ain't nowhere near as nice as a GTI or Verano. I could see it in the teens can't really see it in the mid twenties.... Looking forward to test driving this so I can give it a full report.

But in a real world sense I think GM is really building better cars now, and I think the cadillac really shows it. Look at how cheap Subaru paint is....the FRS I test drove was built in a Subaru factory. Awful paint quality...just awful. You and I (Z06 and me) both have owned BMW products, so I am not picking on BMW when I say this....but I was next to a 6 series convertible (Nearly new) at the gas station. Lots of orange peel in the paint, mismatched gaps in panels, etc. Build quality approached what my 66 Mustang left the factory with maybe....not quite. But you get the point. for a car in its price range...not good. One of the guys I race with is big into BMW's and runs a body shop, HE will tell you how much better GM's paint quality is than BMW's Or look at how much nicer the Cadillac interior is than the 300 interior. The 300 interior is really nice, the Cadillac interior is just better. Again, guys I race with, son owns a late model GTO, father owns an SRT-8 300 Chrysler, the GTO has much nicer interior quality, and it's held up better over the years also. And that isn't even one of the newer, even better GM interiors. I really think the best thing GM can do right now is get these cars in circulation. The real people paying for them on sixty month notes will be won over. Guys like SMK will drive their 97 Aurora's and bitch that the Caddy can't self levitate....

They should have started with a Mercury Cougar rather than a VW Bug, I think....

It will be interesting to see what people actually think about these cars after they own them for a couple of years. I think word on the street (I.e. knowing someone who owns a Cadillac and likes it) will ultimately win Cadillac a lot of sales.

Amen, brother....!

Chrysler, actually...allthough Pontiac or buick would do fine also...as would Merc....

The automotive press is really starting to stand up and take notice of the fact that American car makers ARE doing so much better. I also think Olds also really hit the nail on the head regarding the remaining bias against American car makers.... The new caddy can only help us, guys!

I think Honda and Toyota are getting further behind...the new Forte (current model) really kicks the butt of the current Civic...thsi new design should IMHO just push Honda further behind. Toyota isn't really even in the small car race in terms of desirability, IMHO. corolla is really bland and TC is one of the worst "sport compacts" available...

The iq is seriously lame... Scion has shot themselves in the foot with every car they have brought out since the original xB, which still isn't that fantastic of a car. Trust me, my wife wanted one so we bought it...she now drives a Cooper S and my son droves the crap box to his job. The fiat has good handling, not as good as the Chevy, but the interior ergonomics suck big-time, I think. The fact is the whole Scion deal is as lame as the Saturn deal. Was there really any need to make Toyota's that need to be called a Scion? The Fiat issue is the styling sells it but will the quality be there for more than 4 years. They are cheap when you really look at one and for what you pay I find it not up to standards. This is a huge problem with a lot of modern cars...Subaru and Toyota for example. While I love the FRS-BRZ, they have horrible quality paint. Easily the worst fit and finish of anything I've test driven this year. And while the Abarth Fiat makes all of the right noises, it still really suffers from being built on such an ungodly cheap platform.

I think I've got a race that weekend, I'll keep you posted!