ocnblu

"sketcher of the year..." You still talking about shoes v. Millenia?

That is a Kanuder valve.

Ew, no. Viper's a little bro, not a sex thing. I wasn't going to even respond to this because of the political ramifications, but now that my name has been brought up... :AH-HA_wink: The dude should be dealt with, but no more harshly than if it were male on underage female harrassment. Either way, it's just not right. Any of his colleagues who let this go on knowingly should also be held accountable.

I'd like to come to Hershey if the weather is decent.

The Eos is kind of cute, but WAY, WAY overpriced for what you get. I'd say it's about $8-10k overpriced. It would be a stellar value with a cloth top, well equipped for about $25k.

I'm still not sure why people keep saying LX buyers "don't care" that the car is RWD. I have not seen documentation.

Chevrolet is my first love, but they are doing fine, and seem to be on track for their very own, clearly branded Zetas. Pontiac is my second love. The division holds a different, but very important part of my heart. If this news article holds true, it appears that GM is not investing in dedicated design for Pontiac, but sees the division as worthy only of a rebadge for a car that is of (imo) paramount importance to the longterm health of the brand. I said I was going to simmer down, but I haven't been able to. Oldsmobile died because of poor management. I don't want to see a second failed attempt to import an Australian car and badge it a Pontiac held up by GM management as "proof" that the brand is better off dead. I dearly want this car to succeed, and to do that, I feel it must fit the brand, it must look the part, even if it drives fantastically as the recently departed GTO certainly did, and does.

Why would anyone insult a Wagoneer?

Now is not the time to lose focus on design. Now is the time to hit them out of the park. The GTO was rushed to US market and was met with pretty much a collective yawn... due to styling. Even with the solid RWD chassis and awesome LS V8. That's enough to prove to me that brand DNA is of paramount importance. It's the enthusiasts that start the buzz and buy the first cars that hit the ground... that's how word gets out.

I'll have to agree with those that say it needs its own front end and side sculpturing instead of cribbing the Camaro. The rear end is sweet. I hope Chevrolet doesn't dilute the Camaro image by making the Impala simply a four door version of that car. They've already gutted the Monte Carlo name by doing the same thing.

Thanks moltar, our monthly car spotting thread. '07 Monte Carlo SS, Victory Red with silver stripe package on a dealer lot.

Boobies don't really bother me. They're rather nice, imo. Just not my first choice. But this is another post without a picture, so I will shut up now.

From what I understand, Colorado has near perfect weather, for people and cars.

Is that a Slim Jim?

Now, did I deserve that? Besides, you started this round, with your comment to Paulie about Nick's birthday. It was a joke, however lame, something you've seen from me on a regular basis. You've even joined in on more than one occasion, shall I link you there? Relax, sir. And I agree, back to pictures.

Where do you see a link? http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...topic=9797&st=0

Nevermind Bobby, Paulie. He needs a bf, that's all. :AH-HA_wink:

Tiger (Did I tell you I absolutely love your latest Simpsons clip, booyah?)

I'm looking forward to seeing what comes of this. I haven't drawn a car in probably 20 years, but I still have idears in my head of what I'd like to see. Does this mean there will be collaborations? I'd be interested in seeing what a design team effort could bring to the pages of this forum.

towtruck

What I'd like to see is a pronounced "beak" leading into the split grille. Large round foglamps. This car would be a perfect lead-in to intro a new Pontiac "face"... quad stacked headlamps, perhaps, (or even single round elements, like Solstice) with a full-width split grille. I'd like to see a more flowing roofline. I'd like to see coke-bottle sides, last seen on the '97 GP. I'd like to see a fender scallop exactly like the Solstice. I'd like to see "hips", a bit of undulation and widening over the rear wheels, to promote a feeling of power and romance. And since horizontal, ribbed taillamps don't look like they're coming back, a set of high-set taillamps like the Solstice and G6 coupe. Quad, bright exhaust tips. I'd like to see all of this, and it must be clean, like G6 and Solstice, with a rear wing only as a dealer accessory to save the rest of us the embarrassment. This is my vision of what Pontiac style means. Styling cues that are worth continuing and building upon. I sincerely hope this is the Pontiac of the future.

potatoes

Yeah, Mario, someone already posted the pics from Motor Trend in the Chevrolet Cars section here. Check it out for our reactions.

Camaro

Well then, hold your car up as pure Pontiac. I too love that generation of GP, even with FWD. The hardware, interior and (reportedly) the driving dynamics of the Commodore would fit well as a US-brand GM car, but the exterior styling... sorry bud, I am not giving up on this. It would be invisible over here. Style sells cars. We've seen the Camaro, we know GM still knows how to style a car to fit its brand. They should not give up on Pontiac. I'm done with this. No way I'm changing my mind, but, as has been pointed out in this thread, we don't have a clue yet what this car will look like. So I will simmer down until I have a real reason to cry foul. I'm just not thinking there's enough time to rebrand this car... rebadge, yes, but not rebrand.