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97 LSS does not do this, if you push it by mistake the second time it goes to tilt. Must have a malfunction in a relay ? Knowing GM I cant believe there is any difference between an STS sunroof and our Olds sunroof.

So whos Default ?

I said it before in jest Ill say it again. Im not the devil, just his son. Seriously I have a view of life from the bottom, and I havent always been here. Thats why I have an aggressive nature when I believe someone is not willing to see the big picture. AND seriously, thanks for making note, publicly. Wanna talk about putting your head on the tracks................. thanks

Yes you can hear it under hard accelleration, but in typical driving range 1500-2200rpm you really have no feel for the engine, more bark would be better with the stick which I will be taking care of. From idle, for starting was the hardest to get used to. I must have stalled it half a dozen times the first few times I drove it. At speed in slow RPMS like say your in 5th or 6th but coast down through town you have no idea what gear you need to be in to re accellerate because you just cant hear the exhaust note. There is a learning curve with the 6speed though, I will admit. In these cases you just need to think drop down two gears not the old habit of just dropping one. Back on topic though, this car, the G6 is quite while cruising or typical slow accelleration. There is far more road, wind, suspension bump noise than engine noise. I just cant see how its a problem with a N* Lucerne "constant growling". I do need to test drive both Lucernes, Id love to compare them to the LSS. These people would probably let me go out too, without pretending to be a potential purchaser, because they know I am not. I just dont want to get all worked up over something I really dont need, and Im afraid Id really like that N*.

The Pres wants everyone to know...........he'll never let it happen again and in celebration of the anniversary, the oil companies will be raising the price of gas and diesel another 70 cents per gallon to make up for lost profits durring the year following Katrina............................

If you know about Mack trucks, you should also know that there is no such thing as a blind spot................especially in a car that has 3 mirrors.

Thats not it at all Syl, its about attitude. Hey, I have mine about satruins, asain cars and wives tales. Stafford got a bit wise with me to and he was all washed up, still he didnt want to hear it. It had nothing to do with cars. He didnt argue, debate or nothing, he located some bias reports, didnt know how to interpret them, then just made a statement that I was wrong, overdramatic, paranoid, right wing believe everything I hear and he was right, end of conversation......................Say whaa ? Even his user name reaked of arrogance maybe I should have chosen "His Razorness" Your calling all us wimppy, talentless, stupid, drawn in drivers because of FWD is EXACTlY what you just critized for...................." Once certain people think you fit a stereotype you are locked forever as a "____". Just more stuff to think about from His Holy Razorness................... Im more than happy to ease up when others do................well except on that satruin thing....................never !

I shouldnt comment, because everyone will say "oh it figures, hes such and ass h" Dude it sounds like a set up to me. Crying after one night ? Well that happened with my first girlfriend and she was 15, I was 17............We did have a lasting simi distant relationship afterward though, lasted a bit over a year......on and off, but we were kids. Id be suspicious about that crying the first night thing. What did she like ? the fact that you were from America...........the answer to all foreigners dreams. Do you have any idea how many girls get over here from Asia as mail order brides ? They usually last less than a year........... Love at first flight..........to America I could also be very wrong. My cousin did marry a Phillipean girl he meet in Guam. Their two boys are now teenagers and as far as I know the relationship has been great. Also, The girl I am with now, whom is the mother of my 17 year old daughter...........well, lets just say nothing was planned.........at least by me..........and I was not that serious either.............It winds up being she and my daughter are the best thing that ever happened to me. It did not however happen on the first night...........and the letter I recieved way back then read almost exactly like your phone call.................exactly............... Id be suspicious, this happens all the time

This is all you need right here to service a satruin

The past two cars have sunroofs. We would not buy a new or newer car without one. Spoiled. Factory sunroofs are not a problem as has been discussed. Aftermarket sunroofs are another story. They do not have the drain troughs. Stay away. Best bet is a G6 retractable............................. Solstice.................... C6 convertable........................... XLR.....................V

To Pink and Jewel I say I like the way you just say please when your lookin up at me your like my favorite damn disease I have only heard the few Pink and Jewel songs that got air play but then probabably not, being how I rarely listen to "pop" radio............... Nicklelbacks got groove, riff, lyrics and kick............but the man is trapped I have no idea who Default is ? Should I be ashamed ? Fairly new ? I have not been listening to any commercial radio much in the past 2 years. or ever really. I listened to Bluegrass Saturday..........................and enjoyed it........ Jazz today......... Tomorrow I could be crankin old Metal again........

you gotta be kiddin me...................... Some members here said it best, no need to repeat what they worded so well. Its a bit funny to hear Sylvestor and Viper make statements about poor behavior on behalf of others.......................Im sure Im not on the list............................. Tuffen up ! Sometime people get what they deserve in a topic, myself included, sometime people misunderstand, myself included, sometimes people cant take it anymore and give it right back, myself included, sometimes people get way to pissed off to stick around, myself included if your gonna take a break, take a break. Its a bit childish to place a post to see if someone begs you to stay. Let me know where you go so I can follow you there and further torment you.........

Thats sad. Geeze, it was avoidable too, oh boy.

Imagine that Must be one hell of an engine to run like crap for 20,000 miles and still be tickin Must be one hell of an engine if its been "on its way out" for 20,000 miles and only has 130,000, thats like 1/6th of its life............. Wonder how many more years and how many more miles of "on its way out" it will go prolly got, melted piston, warped rod, flat cam lobes and .................sludge.........you all have seen the boat anchor commercial right ? Thats it, its prolly sludge, so much in the oil pan that the crank can harlly turn, thick as molassas..............

GM has been putting "engine covers" over their engines since the 80's to deaden the clicking of the injectors as well as valve sound, nothing new there. GM has been putting underhood sound deading blankets for decades too, I cant say when this began. GM has been building restrictive sound deadening intake "boxs" since the 80's nothing new there. The Lacrosse I test drove was a quite as I could hope for, strangely so infact, it gave me that weird feeling I got the first time I entered a sound room for recording, so it must be they accomplished something. Now that covers the quite tuning on to the engine growling subject................. The 3.9 in our G6 is too quite, its a bit odd trying to take a car up through the gears when you can barely hear the engine. Whats the G6 got to do with a N* Lucerne ? Well its a G6, with no quite tuning and a "pushrod" V6.....................yet the N* growls...............constantly ? What a dweeb I cant believe you guys are argueing this, the motiveation and lack of rationality are obvious. mommy, mommy, my car growled at me...................

In fact ! Ya know what ? Im seeing more than a bit of Dean Jefferies Toronado custom here, think about it.

The overhangs are left over Mako Shark stuff. Still its better than a Bricklin or Delorean by far. I dont think Enzo has any inbalance in proportion to this car. I would have loved to see this show. Those prototype Vettes mean as much to me as specific Ferraris, Jaguars and Aston Martins.

Well whatcha know..............for once Im with Sylvestor, this is complete bull$h! and the American puppetry will swallow it whole. I cant believe Americans dont know how much these other cultures laugh at us and our gumbyness is one of the main reasons they laugh. Today they probably muse........."these are the people that defeated us in battle?" Answer......... NO! These are not the people ! These are the burbonites who would run over their neighbor to get the first chance to shake the hand of a stranger. I cant believe Americans dont see the direct pokes at our spinelessness. To me this is as bad as burning the flag or diggin up the dead. We have a country full of Benedict Arnolds.

There would have been no bids if it was stock, there is no interest in 80's four door cars on ebay. Hard enough to sell them locally now adays. They are 20 years old. LeSabre T-types are hard to sell on Ebay. Grand Prix TGP's are hard to sell now adays. By coinsidence I passed an old 2dr Regency today. Havent seen one of them in quite awhile. I was thinking that would be a great car for this window closeout and shaved handles. It gives a bit of a limo look. Those seats are so comfortable. Maybe Ill take the windows out of the Ciera Wagon........................

Thats nothing, you should hear the old antiquated 30 year old 38, in the old antiquated 20 year old H body. growls like a rabid wolf, thrashes like a hare in a leg trap, kackles like a flock of ravins in a spruce tree, why, its so bad, we can hardly hear each other talk, we've played the stereo so loud just to hear it, that the speakers are shot! Went to the Doctors to find out why my hearing was becoming muted, first thing he asked me was ..........."you be drivin one of dem dar old Buick turtyeight hunrens's ? I says "huh?" he say "ya, dats wat I tout"

Good move GM ! I like it, lets show some attitude. They never should have been able to build plants in this country or purchase property. They cost us a fortune during WWII, after WWII and now today..whats the cost been ?

Another Kappa would have been amazing with a Buick emblem..............or an Oldsmobile emblem had the real "dumbass's" not had a brain storm in 01. So like satruin had something like 20,000 more sales than Olds in 01, just going from memory, it had far lower sales than Buick. Some seem easy to excuse GM at this time because "they are in a transition"...............well what the heck was Olds in in 01 ?........oh thats right, they were already doing what saturin is doing now, I see, its OK now, but was not OK then ? So like saturin has never turned a profit since the real "dumbass's" decided to make a venture to answer the question no one ever asked, and once again, they never answered the question, saturin has always been a failure So like if saturin has always been a failure................where did the funding for the "project" come from, and had it been appropriately placed what could it have accomplished ? Furthermore why has a failing venture been kept alive for nearly 2 decades when Olds wasnt giving one year ? So like if the new Corvette is a C6 what is this saturin ? a C 2.5 ? Its not like I did run the car over.................there were people in it.

actually, thats a very good point

Oh boy ! An educated moron trying to unrationalize the rational. Way over my head. Grow up yourself, when you do you will figure out what quite tuning represents.....................actually just read your "report" and F O C U S, then you will actually understand. If you are still confused, go start an artical on how the GM engine is louder than the Lexus engine Not an artical on cabin quite tuning thrown a curve ala engine noise comparision. Now lets put some snow tires on the front of that bad boy and complain about how we can hear the tires growling...................... Dut da da

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