Camino LS6

A very dangerous road indeed. The clunker laws are bad enough, if things progress farther than that we will have a problem. But yeah, unlikely at this point.

Challenger nose and drivetrain... Yeah, I'd be there.

Well, there have been rumors of a Ute-type vehicle...

There are signs of life yet, but...

Saw one late last year in black. BIG car!

Can't say that I do... But it is neat to see that a few have been preserved from long ago decades. When you see one (in a film maybe) from the 30s or 40s that's kinda cool. They are like old Firetrucks and ambulances, I like to see one now and then but really don't want to own one.

So would I! After doing my wagon, I am quite convinced that they planned to do the colonnades without the huge bumpers.

Not always. And I have my own expectations about the endgame.

I await the results. And hope for good things.

That's another chapter entirely. Depending on upcoming events, I fear that is exactly what may happen.

I wish we still had decent yards around here, would have loved to help out with this.

That "as one" feeling when driving a car is one of the best feelings in the world.

I think that there is quite a bit more "cruel" headed our way...

And those of us who actually, you know, build things *gasp*

From Automotive News THE AUTO INDUSTRY BAILOUT Chrysler, CAW reach tentative contract deal Sides hope deal will help automaker avoid bankruptcy, complete Fiat deal David Barkholz The Canadian Auto Workers tentatively agreed tonight to new concessions that will save the struggling automaker $240 million annually and help the carmaker to try to avoid a bankruptcy filing, CAW President Ken Lewenza said at a news conference. In exchange, the CAW got Chrysler and potential partner Fiat SpA to agree to keep its two Chrysler assembly plants open even if bankruptcy is unavoidable, Lewenza said. General Motors and Ford Motor Co., which signed new CAW agreements earlier, have indicated their desire to get the same concessions as those negotiated with Chrysler, Lewenza said. The agreement kept wages intact at about $35 an hour Canadian. But the union gave up break time, bonuses, tuition reimbursement, some supplemental pay and semiprivate hospital rooms. As part of the plan, the union agreed to institute Fiat's manufacturing processes as well. The CAW also negotiated the creation of a retiree health care trust similar to the Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Associations negotiated in 2007 by the UAW. Terms need to be ironed out, Lewenza said. But Chrysler has agreed to capitalize the fund adequately to support the benefits negotiated, he said. The fund will save Chrysler money because it transfers the obligation to the trust for seeing that retirees get supplemental benefits beyond those offered by Canada's national health care system. ... The agreement also allows students earning considerably less than veteran workers to work additional hours at Chrysler plants. The union said the cuts were demanded by Fiat, which said it would not consider aligning itself with Chrysler otherwise. There was no immediate comment on the deal from Fiat. Windsor plant losing a shift "We are extremely grateful to the CAW leadership and to its hard-working members for their openness in this challenging environment to create a new strategy that will lead this company on a path to success," Chrysler President Tom LaSorda said in a prepared statement. Lewenza confirmed that Chrysler's minivan plant in Windsor, Ontario, will lose its third production shift as had the assembly plant in Brampton, Ontario, where Chrysler produces the Chrysler 300 sedan and Dodge Charger and Challenger. He said, though, that Chrysler had agreed to put the plants in the surviving part of Chrysler should the company be forced to seek Chapter 11 reorganization in the United States and bankruptcy protection in Canada. A Chapter 11 filing could come as early as next week if the Obama administration doubts Chrysler's viability and withholds an additional $6 billion in federal loans that the company is seeking as it tries to complete a U.S.-mandated alliance with Fiat. Lewenza said that threat caused the union to bargain "with a gun at our heads." The CAW will share the terms of the agreement with its 10,000 Chrysler hourly members this weekend. He said ratification will be completed by 8 p.m. Sunday ET. Chrysler wanted $19 an hour in labor savings to bring labor costs in line with those of Toyota Canada. Lewenza would not spell out how the C$240 million in concessions translates into hourly savings. Chrysler needs its stakeholders, including the CAW and UAW, to agree to concessions before an April 30 Treasury Department deadline. In a letter to Chrysler Canada workers last week, Chrysler CEO Bob Nardelli and LaSorda said that without concessions "Chrysler Canada's manufacturing operations will not survive long-term." Chrysler has received $4 billion in Treasury rescue loans to date and another $1 billion from the Canadian government Looks like the LX cars just got a little safer going forward - good.

Stinking hot here - very wrong for April.

Maybe it won't rot. After all, it seems to be made of rubber. :AH-HA_wink:

Fair enough. But what many here should realize is that Pontiac and its fate are very important to many here. So expect passion and long discussion in threads such as this one.

1. click favorites 2. choose another site Just sayin'...

"Based on resale" wasn't part of my assertion. And I stand by that assertion.

I'm not so sure about that, what if Opel is just history? There seems to be a prevailing wisdom that Opel cannot survive without a partner. Honestly though, I expect that an agreement based on future co-operation will be struck in the end. With the change consisting mostly of percentage of ownership.

Jam

That would be the bottom line.

BOSTON -- Team 5 Investigates found more than two dozen complaints on file with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration detailing problems with rusted frames on 2000 and 2001 Toyota Tundras. Here are some excerpts: *** 2000 Toyota Tundra April 10, 2009 "The frame in my truck has rotted out in less than 9 years." *** 2000 Toyota Tundra March 26, 2009 "2000 Toyota Tundra with rust holes through frame, over and beside rear shock brackets and spring brackets. I am at my wits end with Toyota and have tried to resolve this obvious defect at every level. This has become a safety issue for myself and other drivers. It is just a matter of time before the frame will snap in half." *** 2000 Toyota Tundra March 11, 2009 "I lost my brakes. I had the 2000 Tundra towed to our mechanic and they called and said the entire frame from the driver's seat to beyond the shocks was totally rusted and cracked! They said it was not driveable." *** 2000 Toyota Tundra November 1, 2008 "Low mileage (72K) 2000 Tundra with extensive frame rust and rot in cross members. Spare tire almost fell off due to rust in supports, which tipped me off on how bad things were getting. Poked my finger right through the cross member the spare hangs from." *** 2000 Toyota Tundra December 21, 2008 "My mechanic said it is unsafe to drive. Called Toyota. They told me to take it to a Toyota dealer for an estimate. The dealer's estimate was in excess of $5,000. The book value is $9,000, which is just what I owe. I called Toyota back. They said too bad, good luck, have a nice day. Here I am and I am not having a nice day." *** 2001 Toyota Tundra February 17, 2009 "The mechanic pointed out excessive rust to cross members of frame. When the body was lifted off to replace these cross members, a crack was found in the frame. The truck is no longer safe to drive and has a value of $0 compared to the $9,000 before the discovery. Toyota will not back their product." *** 2001 Toyota Tundra October 15, 2008 "I sent vehicle in for front brakes service again and the mechanic informed me of severe rust to the cross member on the frame all the way to the bed. He did not want me to put more money into the vehicle due to the extent of damage to the frame." http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/19294258/detail.html

I love seeing the freedom of speech being exercised.