Camino LS6

A-MEN!

Lust: past and present.

A brand or two... and then the whole corporation.

I took a sip of one of these when they first hit the market - nasty! I have outlawed them in my truck (my helpers drink the crap) because I hate the smell and they are so strong that I can taste them in my coffee/food when the guys drank them. I make the guys wait to open them until they are out of the truck! When this started happening, I named the stuff "liquid pig $h!" - and that's what I think of it.

Shhhh!

And for a Camry or prius ( or lucerne or fusion) that logic holds, but for the G8 it does not. Not offering a manual on this car is to invite a sales failure. I understand that offering a manual on many cars makes little business sense, but if there ever was a car that justifies the option, the G8 is it. No way around it, this is a stupid decision.

Oh, so it will be an obituary? :AH-HA_wink:

But it seems that we need to "grow a pair" first. Our society disgusts me.

Good thing you aren't making the decisions, I'd never buy another new car. All of the other features you mention are at least useful, this gadget is pure junk. Oh, and Nav is the most absurd waste of money as an OEM option.

*sigh* Sounds like the G6 will be the winner here. At least it will be a coupe. Sorry to sound so negative, I just have a personal disgust with the G6 that stretches back to its introduction as a production car. I can't stand the thing. Best of luck to you, however.

True. But, for the most part, I could do without European cars.

This one speaks to me in a very loud voice.

No chip - the purpose of this truck is to work for a living and it is more than powerful enough stock. I will fix it eventually, I'm just overwhelmed with other pressures at the moment and can't have the truck out of service even for a day. I was actually surprised at how little this incident upset me. I've been dealing with so much crap that it seemed minor, I guess.

Exactly. Only bean-counting fools who understand nothing about cars like the G8 would come to the conclusion that offering a manual is not cost-effective. As Z said, look at the manual take rate on the GTO and the F-bodies - it really is a no-brainer. This is either a case of terminal stupidity, or an intentional sabotage of the G8. Almost all of GM's decisions on Pontiac have been pathetically wrong for a very long time now - this is just another example. Purely stupid, this decision cannot be defended rationally. We aren't talking about a Camry here, and GM has had a near-complete dearth of this type of car for so long that they fail to understand the car and the fact that their demographic statistics don't apply the way that they think. Bottom line: this is a mistake, and a big one at that.

Screw that. A car like the G8 demands a manual option. To not offer it is to not understand the nature of the car and its market. The BMW recipe should make this obvious.

What we are now facing goes well beyond the automakers, the country itself is in jeopardy of failing. Our problems are dire.

Idiots.

That's just a sin.

That's Europe's loss.

Thanks, PCS. I really am finding myself not giving much of a crap generally, so maybe that explains why I'm not all fired-up to fix it.

Madness.

That would be fun to have.

Best idea yet!

Thanks for the compliment. It's a 2005 2500HD with the Duramax/Alison combo and it is a regular cab in LS trim.